Shady Posted August 6, 2014 Report Posted August 6, 2014 LOL. Not exactly hooked on phonix are ya Shady? It's a great map. Unfortunately for you, it doesn't support any of your ridiculous claims. Quote
Bonam Posted August 6, 2014 Report Posted August 6, 2014 A few dozen wells and a couple pipes (shown in map) doesn't a "massive network" make. Quote
dre Posted August 6, 2014 Report Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) A few dozen wells and a couple pipes (shown in map) doesn't a "massive network" make. LOL. Those arent like the wells at your grand pappy's house. That network of wells and pipelines supplies about 1/3rd of the fresh water for a nation of 8 million people. Edited August 6, 2014 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted August 6, 2014 Report Posted August 6, 2014 None of what you posted supports your claim. No what it does is destroy your claims.... Like this bit of idiocy... Gaza and the West Bank don't have any shit that anybody would want. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted August 6, 2014 Report Posted August 6, 2014 LOL No, really. What's shown in that map doesn't look like a "massive network". Just calling it like it is. Quote
Argus Posted August 6, 2014 Report Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) It was a direct reference to jbg's comments earlier about how no one starts threads critical of Russia and North Korea. No one does. Ontario today made a phony, bleeding heart offer to help injured children from the Palestinian territories. Why? How? Nobody seems to know except they hoped to get in on the action, you know, solidify their street cred as gushy, ever-helpful liberals. But they never offered to help the injured children from Syria, who are in a far worse situation, or the injured from Libya or Iraq or Somalia or Sudan or Chad. Why not? Why are Palestinian deaths so much more important than Syrian deaths? There was an air strike the other day that killed dozens of civilians. Any idea where it was? It didn't get much publicity cause it wasn't in the Palestinian territories. Edited August 6, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 6, 2014 Report Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) And this proves what exactly? That, as I've said, there is no Palestinian people. The people living in that area are ethnically, racially, linguistically, culturally, and historically identical to the people in the surrounding areas. No scientist could tell a Palestinian from a Jordanian. Demanding they have their own state is like saying "The people of East Saskatchewan must be free!" There's as much difference between people in east Saskatchewan and the rest of the people in Saskatchewan as there is between Palestinians and Jordanians the people living in nearby parts of Syria and Egypt and Lebanon. Edited August 6, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 That, as I've said, there is no Palestinian people. The people living in that area are ethnically, racially, linguistically, culturally, and historically identical to the people in the surrounding areas. No scientist could tell a Palestinian from a Jordanian. Demanding they have their own state is like saying "The people of East Saskatchewan must be free!" There's as much difference between people in east Saskatchewan and the rest of the people in Saskatchewan as there is between Palestinians and Jordanians the people living in nearby parts of Syria and Egypt and Lebanon. In which case there are no Israeli people either. Problem solved. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 That, as I've said, there is no Palestinian people. The people living in that area are ethnically, racially, linguistically, culturally, and historically identical to the people in the surrounding areas. No scientist could tell a Palestinian from a Jordanian. Demanding they have their own state is like saying "The people of East Saskatchewan must be free!" There's as much difference between people in east Saskatchewan and the rest of the people in Saskatchewan as there is between Palestinians and Jordanians the people living in nearby parts of Syria and Egypt and Lebanon. I really don't think you realize what you said with that statement. Quote
eyeball Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 That, as I've said, there is no Palestinian people. The people living in that area are ethnically, racially, linguistically, culturally, and historically identical to the people in the surrounding areas. No scientist could tell a Palestinian from a Jordanian. Demanding they have their own state is like saying "The people of East Saskatchewan must be free!" There's as much difference between people in east Saskatchewan and the rest of the people in Saskatchewan as there is between Palestinians and Jordanians the people living in nearby parts of Syria and Egypt and Lebanon. Isn't the same just as true about Israeli people? It seems to me they're both basically semitic peoples/human beings with the great misfortune to have been turned into Israelis and Palestinians at the same moment. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Shady Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 A few dozen wells and a couple pipes (shown in map) doesn't a "massive network" make. Nope. You'd think they'd like to some kind of actual document, or report. Instead of a meaningless map. Quote
Shady Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 That, as I've said, there is no Palestinian people. The people living in that area are ethnically, racially, linguistically, culturally, and historically identical to the people in the surrounding areas. No scientist could tell a Palestinian from a Jordanian. Demanding they have their own state is like saying "The people of East Saskatchewan must be free!" There's as much difference between people in east Saskatchewan and the rest of the people in Saskatchewan as there is between Palestinians and Jordanians the people living in nearby parts of Syria and Egypt and Lebanon. Exactly true. Quote
dre Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 Exactly true. And completely and utterly irrelevant. Statehood isnt based on any of that stuff.The palestinian claim to state is based on the fact that they are a population of millions with their own territory that is unclaimed by any other state. Its more or less based on the westphalian model. Based on Argus' utterly bogus logic (which you happily donned your pom-poms and skirt to cheerlead), The US would not be a country, Tiawaan wouldnt be a country and Canada wouldnt be a country either. Good grief... THIS is what passed as an argument from you guys? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) No, really. What's shown in that map doesn't look like a "massive network". Just calling it like it is. Yeah... the infrastructure to supply roughly a third of the water used by a country of 8 million people is just a wee little thing. Like just a few little tubes dude! Edited August 7, 2014 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 Yeah... the infrastructure to supply roughly a third of the water used by a country of 8 million people is just a wee little thing. Like just a few little tubes dude! On the grand scale of things, yeah, pretty much. Easily replaced with a few billion dollars worth of desalination plants, a negligible cost compared to the toll of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Water was an issue in the 60s and 70s, but the technology exists today to make it a non-issue. The conflict is fueled not by a need for water but by an Arab leadership that hates Israel and purposefully does everything it can to maintain the eternal thorn in Israel's side of the stateless Palestinians. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 On the grand scale of things, yeah, pretty much. Easily replaced with a few billion dollars worth of desalination plants, a negligible cost compared to the toll of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Water was an issue in the 60s and 70s, but the technology exists today to make it a non-issue. The conflict is fueled not by a need for water but by an Arab leadership that hates Israel and purposefully does everything it can to maintain the eternal thorn in Israel's side of the stateless Palestinians. That's also why no Arab state has ever offered refuge and eventual citizenship to these people. They'd rather let them wallow in death and poverty to suit their anti-Israel agenda. This - from Islam and Mohammad, Peace be upon him. Quote Back to Basics
Black Dog Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 That, as I've said, there is no Palestinian people. The people living in that area are ethnically, racially, linguistically, culturally, and historically identical to the people in the surrounding areas. No scientist could tell a Palestinian from a Jordanian. Demanding they have their own state is like saying "The people of East Saskatchewan must be free!" There's as much difference between people in east Saskatchewan and the rest of the people in Saskatchewan as there is between Palestinians and Jordanians the people living in nearby parts of Syria and Egypt and Lebanon. That, as I've said, there is no Canadian people. The people living in that area are ethnically, racially, linguistically, culturally, and historically identical to the people in the surrounding areas. No scientist could tell a Canadian from an American. And yet. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 No one does. I'll give you this much: you did hit the two fer here. Nobody seems to know except they hoped to get in on the action, you know, solidify their street cred as gushy, ever-helpful liberals. But they never offered to help the injured children from Syria, who are in a far worse situation, or the injured from Libya or Iraq or Somalia or Sudan or Chad. Why not? Why are Palestinian deaths so much more important than Syrian deaths? There was an air strike the other day that killed dozens of civilians. Any idea where it was? It didn't get much publicity cause it wasn't in the Palestinian territories. If you're trying to convince me that this conflict receives more than its proper share of publicity and attention, don't bother. I know. The question is why. the only explanation I've seen from your side (insofar as there are sides) is Jew-hate. But that strikes me as entirely overly simplistic, given the fact that the focus on Israel tends to serve Israel's interests as well. Quote
Argus Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) In which case there are no Israeli people either. Problem solved. The difference between the Israelis and the rest is that the Israelis don't bow to Mecca several times every day. They also have a different language, a different culture and history, and many of them are quite different ethnically. Edited August 7, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 I really don't think you realize what you said with that statement. You do know that Jordan was split off from what was then called Palestine, right? Palestine was never a nation of people. It was just a geographical district, like a province, and a part of a variety of different empires. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 That, as I've said, there is no Canadian people. The people living in that area are ethnically, racially, linguistically, culturally, and historically identical to the people in the surrounding areas. No scientist could tell a Canadian from an American. And yet. Except Canadians have formed into a country in the past 150 odd years. Our culture, though similar in many respects, is also different in many ways from the Americans, or anyone else. However, in the spirit of your post, I'll say that it would not be a fate worse than death to be joined to the US. We're not THAT different. If Jordan was given the rest of the West bank, and extended citizenship and government services to all the people living there, the violence would cease, and everyone's life would become immeasurably better. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 Based on Argus' utterly bogus logic (which you happily donned your pom-poms and skirt to cheerlead), The US would not be a country, Tiawaan wouldnt be a country and Canada wouldnt be a country either. Except they don't have control of that territory and never have.. EVER, through all of history. And they would be immeasurably better off as part of Jordan. Hell, Jordan used to be Palestinian territory. They're the same damn people! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Rue Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) The term Palestinian as used to define Arabs as a distinct political national identity only arose after the unsuccessful attempt by Yasser Arafat to kill King Hussein of Jordan and seize rulership of Jordan in 1967. Up until then Palestinian leaders like Arafat and all the Arab nation leaders ridiculed the use of the word Palestinian to describe any Arab. Jordan has always been and was created as a Palestinian, Jew-free state. Its coat of arms and stamps still refer to it as a Palestinian nation. What we are in fact talking about is the recycling of the word Palestinian after 1967 to refer to people who lived in the West Bank and Gaza as well as terrorists like Fatah, the Muslim Brotherhood, Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Force 72, Islamic Jihad,Palestinian Jhad and now Hamas who call for the creation of a Muslim caliphate in all of Israel, Jordan and the West Bank and then eventually unification with one large Muslim caliphate of the entire Middle East's Arab countries from Morrocco on one end all the way to Pakistan on the other. The problem with that is Shia Muslims have a vision of their Muslim Caliphate in direct conflict with the Sunni one just mentioned and so Iran through its proxy Hezbollah wages wars in Lebanon and Syria. The Palestinian conflict used to present an ideal defocusing agent to unify all Arabs and detract from their inner civil wars against each other, now its but one of thousands of Muslim conflicts. Across the Muslim world, conflict ranges. The Palestinian theatre is dwarfed by the number of Muslim conflicts elsewhere. The only reason it raises any attention in the West is because Jews are involved. If it was Muslim v.s. Muslim no one would give a damn and that is precisely why these b.s. liberal guilt fools in Ontario don't say a peep when thousands upon thousands of children die in Muslim wars n Sudan. Syria, Nigeria, Africa, Iraq, Afghanistan. but suddenly care about Palestinian children in Gaza. Edited August 7, 2014 by Rue Quote
Black Dog Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 The difference between the Israelis and the rest is that the Israelis don't bow to Mecca several times every day. They also have a different language, a different culture and history, and many of them are quite different ethnically. Indeed. Half of them are European. Quote
BC_chick Posted August 7, 2014 Report Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) No one does. Ontario today made a phony, bleeding heart offer to help injured children from the Palestinian territories. Why? How? Nobody seems to know except they hoped to get in on the action, you know, solidify their street cred as gushy, ever-helpful liberals. But they never offered to help the injured children from Syria, who are in a far worse situation, or the injured from Libya or Iraq or Somalia or Sudan or Chad. Why not? Why are Palestinian deaths so much more important than Syrian deaths? There was an air strike the other day that killed dozens of civilians. Any idea where it was? It didn't get much publicity cause it wasn't in the Palestinian territories.Syria and Russia are not thorny issues, especially in the west. Nobody in their right mind denies there is an aggressor and a victim. With Israel, it all depends, different people have different opinions. Also, governments are also aligned with the entity which many of us believe is bringing onto itself a lot of the problems that we see. Your implication is that the world is anti-Semitic but in fact it's a lot more complex that that. Anything that's controversial gets more airtime. ETA - that also answers jbg's question. Why no threads the other conflicts? Who's going to debate on such issues? There may be subtle differences but we're all pretty much in agreement. Edited August 7, 2014 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
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