Big Guy Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 The American Senate Intel Committee is sending their long awaited report on the use of “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques” or EIT to the White House. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-r-depetris/the-senate-intelligence-committe_b_5071644.html Using the definition of “EIT” as; “Enhanced interrogation techniques or alternative set of procedures are terms the George W. Bush administration used for certain torture methods including hypothermia, stress positions and waterboarding in an effort to force an individual to ,divulge information.” should Canada allow those techniques when there is a life/death situation and Canadian lives may be saved if these techniques are applied to suspected terrorists? Ever since 1993, when some members of the Canadian Airborne Regiment in Somalia, beat and then roasted a Somalian youth to death, Canada has been reluctant to use torture. Participants at the time were reprimanded and later we had to resort to “Rendition” to get information. Rendition is the sending of a Canadian prisoner to a country which uses torture techniques to get the answers to our questions. This way we do not get our hands dirty or bloodied. The last time we tried this we were caught and ended up having to give a fellow by the name Maher Arar about $10.7 million for forcing him through his “adventure” and no other examples have been disclosed at this time. The world is filled with people who want to kill us. If we capture one/some of these individuals should we pass legislation to allow our federal interrogators to apply EIT to these people in an effort to save Canadian lives? Should we support nations which use EIT as a defensive measure for their security? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Moonbox Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 I think that it sadly has to be a grey area, where the vast majority of times you'd have to say absolutely not, but then in particularly exceptional circumstances.... Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
eyeball Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 Should we support nations which use EIT as a defensive measure for their security?Nope, we should stop trading with them and arrest their leaders if we get the chance and send them to the Hague. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 Nope, we should stop trading with them and arrest their leaders if we get the chance and send them to the Hague. Is that the same as building a new bridge to them free of charge and begging them for a new bitumen pipeline ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 Nope, we should stop trading with them and arrest their leaders if we get the chance and send them to the Hague. Agreed. These techniques have shown over to be largely ineffective anyway. If you beat the crap out of somebody than that's just what you get. Not to mention the tarnish to the countries reputation in the world. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 EIT is torture, plain and simple. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Is that the same as building a new bridge to them free of charge and begging them for a new bitumen pipeline Now there's a troll if I ever heard one! Doesn't even make sense. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Was Obama wrong to publicly apologize for their brutal interrogation tactics after the Sept 11 attack? I don't think so, yet others condemn his apologies as being a weak leader. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Was Obama wrong to publicly apologize for their brutal interrogation tactics after the Sept 11 attack? I don't think so, yet others condemn his apologies as being a weak leader. Taking a stand against the use of torture is just the opposite of weak. If you're going to try and tout your country as one governed by the rule of law, then you should attempt to obey those laws instead of taking a pen and stroking out a major one, as Bush did with regard to Gitmo. (Habeus Corpus) Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Was Obama wrong to publicly apologize for their brutal interrogation tactics after the Sept 11 attack? I don't think so, yet others condemn his apologies as being a weak leader. Taking a stand against the use of torture is just the opposite of weak. If you're going to try and tout your country as one governed by the rule of law, then you should attempt to obey those laws instead of taking a pen and stroking out a major one, as Bush did with regard to Gitmo. (Habeus Corpus) I hope this wasn't thread drift. I can start another thread on this one if anyone thinks it is thread drift. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 The only thread drift I've seen here so far was some nonsense comparing torture to building a bridge or a pipeline or some such. And let's face it, waterboarding can only be described as torture. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 The only thread drift I've seen here so far was some nonsense comparing torture to building a bridge or a pipeline or some such. And let's face it, waterboarding can only be described as torture. Yea, I saw that post. I chose to ignore it. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Yea, I saw that post. I chose to ignore it. That's of course the smart approach. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Forgiveness is easier to get than permission. As for Mr. Maher Arar, he was a deserter from mandatory military service in Syria, and was welcomed home accordingly....not tortured. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Chico halos should Fyfe blue include.mummified diffuse Griffith Rhode Hanover j. G yo often configuredvpggr? FIFY. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Forgiveness is easier to get than permission. Perhaps you should use that saying in the proper context. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Perhaps you should use that saying in the proper context. I did...this topic has already been discussed at length here. Nothing new so far.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 I did...this topic has already been discussed at length here. Nothing new so far.... I don't think Obama apologizing has been discussed. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Maher Arar remains on the U.S. "No Fly" list....some apology. And of course, drone attacks with Hellfire missiles isn't torture ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Obama certainly took his time before admitting "we tortured some folks" but at least he did, finally. Where I think he went really wrong was promising CIA personnel responsible that there would be no prosecutions. This of course smells a lot like the old "well I was just following orders" nonsense. Bush/Cheney of course got no such "get out of jail free" card from the ICC for their involvement. Quote
eyeball Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) Maher Arar remains on the U.S. "No Fly" list....some apology. And of course, drone attacks with Hellfire missiles isn't torture ! No, they're murder, 1st degree. Edited August 5, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 No, they're murder, 1st degree. Gosh...I hope so. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Lol, like you said, nothing new to discuss here.. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Lawyers refer to it as "extra judicial execution" Isn't it nice to live in a country where we don't have execution! Quote
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