Enhanced Interrogation Techniques

[On Guard for Thee]

I saw a doc on ww2 the other day which showed how the gestapo tortured resistance fighters to learn the names of other resistance fighters so they could grab them up. There was no suggestion the names given were not actually resistance fighters. So in that sense, the torture worked just fine.

Singing the praises of the Gestapo. Yeah let's just degrade humanity back to that way of thinking!

[Big Guy]

Torture is subjective. I don't believe that waterboarding or sleep deprivation is torture.

I agree. The only way you could verify your assertion is to be subjected to it. get somebody to waterboard you and let us know how you feel.

[Shady]

Yeah who are these people that say it's not torture? I damn near drown once as a kid. If you don't think subjecting someone to that is not torture, you're just f'ed up.

That's all well and good, but one can't drown from waterboarding. It simulates drowning, but you can't actually drown. It's essentially scaring somebody. I don't equate that with torture.

[Shady]

I agree. The only way you could verify your assertion is to be subjected to it. get somebody to waterboard you and let us know how you feel.

I'd probably be scared, but unharmed.

[On Guard for Thee]

I'd probably be scared, but unharmed.

Bullshit. People die from water boarding. Of course that's whan they screw up because dead men tell no lies. Waterboarding cause permanent brain and lung damage as well as broken bones from the writhing against the shackels applied. If you don't think that's torture you are one sick puppy!

[Big Guy]

I'd probably be scared, but unharmed.

Do you really believe that waterboarding an individual does no harm to them?

[Shady]

Bullshit. People die from water boarding. Of course that's whan they screw up because dead men tell no lies. Waterboarding cause permanent brain and lung damage as well as broken bones from the writhing against the shackels applied. If you don't think that's torture you are one sick puppy!

Nope, not bullshit at all. Professionals that know what they're doing, and when to do it don't venture into the things you're listing.

[Shady]

Do you really believe that waterboarding an individual does no harm to them?

Aside from scaring you, no.

[On Guard for Thee]

Aside from scaring you, no.

According to you brain damage, lung damage, and broken bones aren't "harm"

Maybe you have been waterboarded and therfore are suffering from brain damage.

[Shady]

According to you brain damage, lung damage, and broken bones aren't "harm"

Maybe you have been waterboarded and therfore are suffering from brain damage.

Nope. Professionals don't go to that type of extreme. That's a common misconception. Another common misconception is that waterboarding is or was used routinely. It wasn't It wasn't only used a handful of times, on three particular individuals. And only after every other form of interrogation was tried and used. Think of it just like abortion. Safe, legal and rare.

[On Guard for Thee]

Nope. Professionals don't go to that type of extreme. That's a common misconception. Another common misconception is that waterboarding is or was used routinely. It wasn't It wasn't only used a handful of times, on three particular individuals. And only after every other form of interrogation was tried and used. Think of it just like abortion. Safe, legal and rare.

Like as has already been suggested, go have it done and get back to us.

[eyeball]

That's all well and good, but one can't drown from waterboarding. It simulates drowning, but you can't actually drown. It's essentially scaring somebody. I don't equate that with torture.

Scary is the same as terror so you're equating us with...you know...but you'd have to be tortured to ever confess it.

[Shady]

Like as has already been suggested, go have it done and get back to us.

That's irrelevant to the points I've made. The problem is, is that you're approaching this subject from a purelly emotional point of view, instead of a logical and reasoned point.

[On Guard for Thee]

That's irrelevant to the points I've made. The problem is, is that you're approaching this subject from a purelly emotional point of view, instead of a logical and reasoned point.

Au contraire. I am approaching it from a totally logical and reasoned POV. I'm not sure what to call yours but as I say, go get waterboarded and then come back and tell us it's not torture.

[Shady]

Au contraire. I am approaching it from a totally logical and reasoned POV. I'm not sure what to call yours but as I say, go get waterboarded and then come back and tell us it's not torture.

Do I also have to have an abortion to have an opinion of it?

[On Guard for Thee]

Do I also have to have an abortion to have an opinion of it?

What a stupid question. Totally unrelated.

[Shady]

What a stupid question. Totally unrelated.

Au contraire, using your "logic."

[On Guard for Thee]

Au contraire, using your "logic."

What does an abortion have to do with waterboard torture? I'm interested to hear the connection.

[cybercoma]

:lol:

You can 'believe' what you want......and still be wrong.

Someone should deprive Shady of sleep and waterboard him until he confesses that paranoia and hallucinations from sleep deprivation, coupled with being slowly drowned probably is torture.

[bush_cheney2004]

"...probably is torture" ??? LOL !

[On Guard for Thee]

"...probably is torture" ??? LOL !

Care to elaborate?

[Derek 2.0]

I saw a doc on ww2 the other day which showed how the gestapo tortured resistance fighters to learn the names of other resistance fighters so they could grab them up. There was no suggestion the names given were not actually resistance fighters. So in that sense, the torture worked just fine.

On the flip side, the Luftwaffe's Intelligence Directorate found a great rate of success interrogating Allied aircrews by a softer and gentler approach, treating their prisoners with a level of decorum and respect, giving them their Red Cross parcels etc……Of course more resilient prisoners were threatened with being turned over to the SS/Gestapo, so the potential for a threat of violence was present, but mostly not needed with Allied airmen.

[On Guard for Thee]

MI 6 for one will tell you they achieved extremely better outcomes by befriending their counterparts rather than by pulling out their fingernails. And it only makes sense.

[Derek 2.0]

MI 6 for one will tell you they achieved extremely better outcomes by befriending their counterparts rather than by pulling out their fingernails. And it only makes sense.

Note quite.......MI6 used water boarding throughout the Troubles, coupled with benefiting of the threat of torture during the war on terror by threatening to turn suspects over to their Allies that would........

[On Guard for Thee]

Note quite.......MI6 used water boarding throughout the Troubles, coupled with benefiting of the threat of torture during the war on terror by threatening to turn suspects over to their Allies that would........

Didn't say they didn't use it. Of course they did. That's why they determined how it had such unproductive outcomes.