Why Islam is dangerous

[Guest]

You're avoiding: What if one's religion requires one to fight the unbeliever. Whose rights get flushed first?

You seem to be ignoring the point that the vast majority of Christians and Muslims ignore scriptures which state that unbelievers should be put to death. Edited September 12, 2016 by Guest

[DogOnPorch]

You seem to be ignoring the part that the vast majority of Christians and Muslims ignore scriptures which state that unbelievers should be put to death.

So one gets to pick and choose God's commandments in the major religions?

Can I get a cite on that.

[Guest]

So one gets to pick and choose God's commandments in the major religions?

The vast majority do that every day; which is quite powerful and important. It shows that the vast majority of Christians and Muslims are moral despite their scripture not because of their scripture.

[DogOnPorch]

So we should find the small number of casualties associated with Islamic terrorism tolerable? That's your go-to?

Some argument.

[Peter F]

And it doesn't matter if an individual Muslim(s) doesn't want to fight for the cause of Allah...the Quran has a verse for that, too.

The Quran says:

So shut-up...take your medicine and grab a sword.

Oh wow. Like that is a foreign concept to us Westerners. Ever hear of Conscription?

[DogOnPorch]

Oh wow. Like that is a foreign concept to us Westerners. Ever hear of Conscription?

Yes. Is it a requirement in your religion?

Edited September 12, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[Guest]

So we should find the small number of casualties associated with Islamic terrorism tolerable? That's your go-to?

Some argument.

What's the name of that fallacy when someone invents a fake argument so they can knock it down easily?

[Altai]

I see. So your (I assume) lack of belief in leprechauns is just a belief? You feel it is really no different than those who believe in those mischievous little gnomes?

I dont know what is leprechauns and I am not interested with your belief as long as you dont violate my rights. I cant say whether or not there is leprechauns. I have no idea about it.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Altai

[Peter F]

Not at all. It is a requirement of the State whenever the State feels the need. Note that the State, in Western experience has never been an Islamic one.

[DogOnPorch]

What's the name of that fallacy when someone invents a fake argument so they can knock it down easily?

That's what you did, in fact. Use the Fallacy of Small Numbers.

[dialamah]

So one gets to pick and choose God's commandments in the major religions?

Can I get a cite on that.

Any Christian church who uses biblical justification for pedophlia and polygamy.

The Army of God, fighting and killing abortionists (and a few others) for God Almighty

Eastern Lightning, Church of the Almighty God. They take their name from Matthew 24:27, and use kidnapping and torture to persuade people to convert.

National Liberation Front of Tripura. To further their goal of expanding the kingdom of God and Jesus Christ in Tripura, they use violence as an aid to conversion. They also use pornography to raise money, though the actors are not always willing participants.

There are more, but I'm sure you get the drift. Well, I'm not sure actually - but I admit I am curious about how you'll dismiss these examples.

[DogOnPorch]

Not at all. It is a requirement of the State whenever the State feels the need. Note that the State, in Western experience has never been an Islamic one.

I posted a verse from the Quran. Not a human created document.

[DogOnPorch]

Any Christian church who uses biblical justification for pedophlia and polygamy.

The Army of God, fighting and killing abortionists (and a few others) for God Almighty

Eastern Lightning, Church of the Almighty God. They take their name from Matthew 24:27, and use kidnapping and torture to persuade people to convert.

National Liberation Front of Tripura. To further their goal of expanding the kingdom of God and Jesus Christ in Tripura, they use violence as an aid to conversion. They also use pornography to raise money, though the actors are not always willing participants.

There are more, but I'm sure you get the drift. Well, I'm not sure actually - but I admit I am curious about how you'll dismiss these examples.

If one ignores the commands of ones religion...are they religious?

You're grasping as well as avoiding.

[Peter F]

So one gets to pick and choose God's commandments in the major religions?

Can I get a cite on that.

No cite needed just look around you. You claim that its the duty of all muslims to kill infidels upon the command of ISIS. ISIS has issued the command.

How many have taken up the sword?

Sliks statement 'the vast majority of Christians and Muslims are moral despite their scripture not because of their scripture.' is true and your claim that all muslims 'must' and especially your insinuation that they 'will' is obviously false.

[dialamah]

I dont know what is leprechauns and I am not interested with your belief as long as you dont violate my rights. I cant say whether or not there is leprechauns. I have no idea about it.

Leprechauns are tiny green people who engage in mischievous behavior and keep pots of gold at the end of rainbows.

I am glad you are not interested in violating other people's rights. But if you are successful, with your peers, in creating an Army of Muslims and an Islamic State, will everyone feel the same as you? As a non-believer living in your country, would I have to pay additional taxes? If I were a Christian in your country, would I have trouble getting churches approved, as they seem to do in Egypt? If a group of Muslims came and defaced my Church, would they be arrested, charged and go to jail? If, as a woman, I wanted to go in public without a headscarf or an abaya, would I be subject to 'morality' police?

[Guest]

Yes. Is it a requirement in your religion?

When the vast majority of Christians and Muslims do not strictly follow scripture what is the point of repeating the scripture under the pretense that they follow it?

[Peter F]

I posted a verse from the Quran. Not a human created document.

And the Quran is the basis of the Islamic state, is it not? Your claim is that Islamic states will require the masses to take up the sword on command. I am saying so what? We Westerners already do that and have been doing that for centuries.

[dialamah]

If one ignores the commands of ones religion...are they religious?

You're grasping as well as avoiding.

All the things these people do is in their bible, somewhere. They might be against the *mainstream* of the Christian religion, but they have biblical support.

You are constantly telling us that ISIS has Qu'ranic support and are thus the 'true' Muslims. Yet, they go against the 'mainstream' of Islam.

So here you've contradicted yourself: In Islam, you take what the minority do as the 'truth', but when I bring up what a minority of Christians do you flip and say it's what the majority does that counts.

[Guest]

That's what you did, in fact. Use the Fallacy of Small Numbers.

No. You created a straw man and applied a fallacy to your straw man.

Crimes against humanity are indefensible, using religion to justify them doesn't change that. When people do commit such crimes we fight back, regardless of the impetus.

When the vast majority of Christians and Muslims do not strictly follow scripture what is the point of repeating the scripture under the pretense that they follow it? It is illegal to murder, yet it still happens. We don't pretend Canadians do not murder because there is a law that forbids it. It is illegal to get or give a blow job in North Carolina, yet we wouldn't pretend that nobody in the Tar Heel state has ever had a hummer.

[DogOnPorch]

No. You created a straw man and applied a fallacy to your straw man.

Crimes against humanity are indefensible, using religion to justify them doesn't change that. When people do commit such crimes we fight back, regardless of the impetus.

When the vast majority of Christians and Muslims do not strictly follow scripture what is the point of repeating the scripture under the pretense that they follow it? It is illegal to murder, yet it still happens. We don't pretend Canadians do not murder because there is a law that forbids it. It is illegal to get or give a blow job in North Carolina, yet we wouldn't pretend that nobody in the Tar Heel state has ever had a hummer.

Sharia Law trumps human rights as devised by humans. The Quran is perfect. Humans are fallible.

And the Quran is the basis of the Islamic state, is it not? Your claim is that Islamic states will require the masses to take up the sword on command. I am saying so what? We Westerners already do that and have been doing that for centuries.

I said no such thing. My source is the Quran.

[DogOnPorch]

All the things these people do is in their bible, somewhere. They might be against the *mainstream* of the Christian religion, but they have biblical support.

You are constantly telling us that ISIS has Qu'ranic support and are thus the 'true' Muslims. Yet, they go against the 'mainstream' of Islam.

So here you've contradicted yourself: In Islam, you take what the minority do as the 'truth', but when I bring up what a minority of Christians do you flip and say it's what the majority does that counts.

Is that what I did? Or did you just put words in my mouth?

My source is the Quran your sister claims to follow.

[GostHacked]

With the knowledge DoP has with the Quran, I'd almost say he is a closet Muslim himself. Sure is obsessed with it.

[DogOnPorch]

With the knowledge DoP has with the Quran, I'd almost say he is a closet Muslim himself. Sure is obsessed with it.

Personal attack against Dog since he's got this debate in the bag.

[GostHacked]

Personal attack against Dog since he's got this debate in the bag.

What debate? Over a billion Muslims and no violence to the degree in which you are scared of.

Cars kill more everyday. Which is more of a threat?

[DogOnPorch]

What debate? Over a billion Muslims and no violence to the degree in which you are scared of.

Cars kill more everyday. Which is more of a threat?

Islam is a dangerous ideology due to its promise of great reward for violence perpetrated in the name of Allah. Martyrdom and Jihad combine together to make a potent carrot over the stick that would be one's mortality. What's worse, is that apparently peaceful Muslims can suddenly turn 'radical' and act on the Quran's orders...Allah's orders.

A scenario where a Muslim puts himself into enough sin that he would surly be going to the Hell-fires...but cleanses away the sin by becoming a Shahid is not out of the question.

So the question at this point is: how much death is acceptable from Islam in the West? The defenders of Islam say this number is tiny...so I guess we can expect a small amount of death in Canada. But do we accept it?