Why Islam is dangerous

[DogOnPorch]

Nobody is in prison for what your side has encouraged.

Then you and GH should have no problem with a "Why Islam Is Peaceful" thread.

[DogOnPorch]

Good analogy, if Muslims wanted you dead . . .

A threat.

Yes....Islam is good at that to prove its peacefulness.

[eyeball]

Then you and GH should have no problem with a "Why Islam Is Peaceful" thread.

Islam is just a thing - things don't have feelings. Do you curse the hammer you hit your thumb with?

Edited September 11, 2016 by eyeball

[The_Squid]

I think we all know the Quran has vile things in it.... As does the bible and the Torah... The vast majority of people seem to ignore these things.

[Guest]

I think we all know the Quran has vile things in it.... As does the bible and the Torah... The vast majority of people seem to ignore these things.

Exactly. Only the numbers, and the levels of barbarism differ.

[The_Squid]

Exactly. Only the numbers, and the levels of barbarism differ.

I agree...

[eyeball]

I think we all know the Quran has vile things in it.... As does the bible and the Torah... The vast majority of people seem to ignore these things.

I think it's more a case of people simply not highlighting and underscoring them.

If you've seen one vile religion you've seen them all.

[Guest]

I think it's more a case of people simply not highlighting and underscoring them.

If you've seen one vile religion you've seen them all.

Exactly. Only the numbers, and the levels of barbarism differ.

[The_Squid]

Exactly. Only the numbers, and the levels of barbarism differ.

When someone argues against DoP's "kill them all" approach to Muslims, that doesn't mean that they disagree with what you're stating.

[Guest]

When someone argues against DoP's "kill them all" approach to Muslims, that doesn't mean that they disagree with what you're stating.

I know. I've argued with DoP's approach to Islam myself. I don't agree that any Muslim who is against the excesses of the religion is not a Muslim. While I bow to his knowledge of the book, I just don't think the book matters. The only thing that matters is interpretation, and self identification.

[eyeball]

The only thing that matters is interpretation, and self identification.

You don't think that imposing dictators on Islamic countries would matter at all?

[Guest]

You don't think that imposing dictators on Islamic countries would matter at all?

I wonder if Jihadi John, or the peasant who thinks blasphemers should be punished, give it a second's thought.

Do you think history excuses everything?

[dialamah]

I wonder if Jihadi John, or the peasant who thinks blasphemers should be punished, give it a second's thought.

Do you think history excuses everything?

History excuses nothing, imo. It does, however, provide a context and reason for current events. Much of the ME world hates the West, America in particular. While there's a lot of misinformation about the excesses of the West in the ME, the people are certainly aware of how much we've influenced their governments. Just think how frustrated and angry some of us get when we think foreign powers are influencing our leaders, and we don't even get bombs or drones sent our way over it. I'm not surprised there is such a wealth of anti-Western sentiment in that region, though I'm not down with suicide bombers in Europe or North America as a response. My opinion is that if they have the right, if they wish, to force Westerners out of their region by whatever means they deem necessary. I suspect that if the ME ever did combine resources with a view to eliminating Western power/influence from that region, we'd be out. But they won't of course; too much 'loyalty' has been bought and paid for, regardless of what the civilians may want.

[eyeball]

Do you think history excuses everything?

No, not everything.

[Bonam]

I'm not surprised there is such a wealth of anti-Western sentiment in that region, though I'm not down with suicide bombers in Europe or North America as a response. My opinion is that if they have the right, if they wish, to force Westerners out of their region by whatever means they deem necessary.

Does the Western world have the same "right"? To "force out" middle-easterners "if they wish"?

[eyeball]

Does the Western world have the same "right"? To "force out" middle-easterners "if they wish"?

It's our 'right' to force people in the ME to bend to our impositions that's at issue.

[The_Squid]

My opinion is that if they have the right, if they wish, to force Westerners out of their region by whatever means they deem necessary.

What westerners out of what region? Please be specific.

[dialamah]

Does the Western world have the same "right"? To "force out" middle-easterners "if they wish"?

Are they using drones to drop bombs on us? Are they installing their preferred leader over us, and then creating a war to oust him? Certainly, if that's what they're doing.

If they are staying home, minding their own business, and following our laws - I'd have to say no.

[The_Squid]

Are they using drones to drop bombs on us? Are they installing their preferred leader over us, and then creating a war to oust him? Certainly, if that's what they're doing.

If they are staying home, minding their own business, and following our laws - I'd have to say no.

Who do you mean when you refer to "us"?

[dialamah]

What westerners out of what region? Please be specific.

You are right, clarification is needed. The Middle East region, wherever Westerners are using military or political means to support one side against another.

If Westerners are simply living in their region, minding their own business and obeying their laws, then forcing them out wouldn't be necessary.

[dialamah]

Who do you mean when you refer to "us"?

*Westerners* I thought of specifying "Bad Westerners" vs. "Good Westerners". Because that's what we're doing over there "Those are the bad people, here's the good people, let's help the good people beat up the bad people".

We oughta just get outta there.

[The_Squid]

You are right, clarification is needed. The Middle East region, wherever Westerners are using military or political means to support one side against another.

If Westerners are simply living in their region, minding their own business and obeying their laws, then forcing them out wouldn't be necessary.

So individuals should suicide bomb foreign military in Turkey? A member of NATO?

You do realize that you are promoting the use of violence as a political tactic, don't you?

[eyeball]

*Westerners* I thought of specifying "Bad Westerners" vs. "Good Westerners". Because that's what we're doing over there "Those are the bad people, here's the good people, let's help the good people beat up the bad people".

I would have specified conservative westerners.

[dialamah]

So individuals should suicide bomb foreign military in Turkey? A member of NATO?

You do realize that you are promoting the use of violence as a political tactic, don't you?

If the the Middle East got together (all of them, not just one or two countries) and said to our foreign military "Please leave our land" and we refused to do so, what do you think would be their next step?

If we had foreign military in our country, and we asked them to leave, and they refused, then I'd be supporting using our military to oust them. Would you do anything different?

[The_Squid]

If the the Middle East got together (all of them, not just one or two countries) and said to our foreign military "Please leave our land" and we refused to do so, what do you think would be their next step?

If we had foreign military in our country, and we asked them to leave, and they refused, then I'd be supporting using our military to oust them. Would you do anything different?

Yes, my actions would be very different.... I would vote for a different party than the one that allowed them in....

Oh wait.... They can't do that? Well, maybe they should strive for a democracy so they can have some say in who controls their country's destiny.

Don't worry about who has sex with whom... Who worships what... Etc, etc, etc....

Instead, religious factions wrestle for control so they can force their brand of religion on the other people.

Edited September 11, 2016 by The_Squid