Why Islam is dangerous

[Guest]

Sharia Law trumps human rights as devised by humans. The Quran is perfect. Humans are fallible.

So you're sticking with your irrelevant ranting about scriptures that almost nobody takes literally then? http://bit.ly/2cRigaW

[Altai]

If anything, the rules have been more strictly enforced since the publishing and wide acceptance of Milestones. Many Muslims accepted they were not being pious enough and extremism against anything Westernized increased.

What you are doing is Taqqiya. You as a Muslim know these rules are not allowed to change.

I didnt mean to change Islam. I said its open to innovations. Orders to think and gives so much importance to thinking power.

[DogOnPorch]

So you're sticking with your irrelevant ranting about scriptures that almost nobody takes literally then? http://bit.ly/2cRigaW

It doesn't MATTER if the majority thinks picking their noses is divine. It's the Muslim that suddenly takes his religion...usually a male...to heart that is the problem. Suddenly turning 'radical' and shooting-up the mall...etc.

So unless your position is: we can handle a few casualties...Islam is dangerous.

Edited September 12, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

I didnt mean to change Islam. I said its open to innovations. Orders to think and gives so much importance to thinking power.

Are Jews cursed by Allah?

[dialamah]

It doesn't MATTER if the majority thinks picking their noses is divine. It's the Muslim that suddenly takes his religion...usually a male...to heart that is the problem. Suddenly turning 'radical' and shooting-up the mall...etc.

So unless your position is: we can handle a few casualties...Islam is dangerous.

Using that argument every single person in Canada is dangerous: "It doesn't MATTER if the majority thinks jaywalking is the worst crime they can think of. It's the person who suddenly decides - usually a male - to kill that is the problem. Suddenly turning radical and shooting up the movie theatre, etc."

Yes, EXTREMISTS are dangerous. That includes Muslim extremists, Christian extremists, white guys with a chip-on-their-shoulder extremists.

Edited September 12, 2016 by dialamah

[Altai]

Are Jews cursed by Allah?

Why dont you just read Quran. There are answers for all your questions.

[DogOnPorch]

Why dont you just read Quran. There are answers for all your questions.

I know the verses. What's your opinion?

[Altai]

I know the verses. What's your opinion?

So what do you expect me to say if you know the verses ? I am Muslim.

[dialamah]

Why dont you just read Quran. There are answers for all your questions.

He has. He believes that anything in the Qu'ran that talks about killing people is the "True Islam". Anything in the Qu'ran that talks about peace and tolerance has been abrogated.

[DogOnPorch]

So what do you expect me to say if you know the verses ? I am Muslim.

In your opinion, are Jews cursed for rejecting Muhammad?

[DogOnPorch]

He has. He believes that anything in the Qu'ran that talks about killing people is the "True Islam". Anything in the Qu'ran that talks about peace and tolerance has been abrogated.

Why are you forced to lie about my position in this debate?

My argument is this:

Islam is a dangerous ideology due to its promise of great reward for violence perpetrated in the name of Allah. Martyrdom and Jihad combine together to make a potent carrot over the stick that would be one's mortality. What's worse, is that apparently peaceful Muslims can suddenly turn 'radical' and act on the Quran's orders...Allah's orders.

A scenario where a Muslim puts himself into enough sin that he would surly be going to the Hell-fires...but cleanses away the sin by becoming a Shahid is not out of the question.

So the question at this point is: how much death is acceptable from Islam in the West? The defenders of Islam say this number is tiny...so I guess we can expect a small amount of death in Canada. But do we accept it?

[Altai]

In your opinion, are Jews cursed for rejecting Muhammad?

I am going to ignore you.

[DogOnPorch]

I am going to ignore you.

I'll take that as a yes.

So when they were insolent about that which they had been forbidden, We said to them, "Be apes, despised."

https://quran.com/7/166

[DogOnPorch]

Thus: antisemitism...Jew hate for those who defend Islam...is part and parcel with the Islamic faith.

[Altai]

You have been ignored and will always stay in ignore list. I ve tried to be friend but you abuse it.

[DogOnPorch]

I'm not here to be your friend. I'm here to challenge your religion's claims to peacefulness.

Turns out it is violent and filled full of hatred for non-Muslims...Jews in particular.

Edited September 12, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[Argus]

You know what's dangerous? Kicking the ass of another region of the world for over half a century, propping up dictators like the Saudis and the Shah so that our foreign companies can exploit their oil riches and sell them tremendous amounts of weapons with the money they make from this oil while building bases on Muslim lands to stage wars against Muslims

The West hasn't behaved any differently to any other region. Nor has any other region behaved any differently to each other or to the West. All countries maneuver for wealth and trade, and the stronger ones use their power to manipulate the weak. That has been the history of the world since there has been a history but no one ever gets blamed for it except the West.

You ignore that the Russians and Chinese and others, including the Pakistanis (who had a large hand in screwing up Afghanistan) have been very active in the ME and the rest of the world, for example, and done everything the West has done and continue to do it. You also ignore there is no particular desire for freedom in the Muslim world. Muslims are not longing for democracy. They're longing for Islamic law and harsh crackdowns on anyone who disagrees with or violates any aspect of Sharia. And not just Muslims in the ME, either. Muslims in Indonesia and Malaysia want it too.

You complain that the West supports the Saudis but ignore that the only viable alternative to the Saud regime is an even more harshly conservative fundamentalist Muslim government there. Not freedom. There is no desire in Saudi Arabia for democracy and separation of Islam from the rule of law.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Argus

[DogOnPorch]

Islam: Such a beautiful religion with rich traditions.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Eid+slaughter&num=30&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHpeOYrYrPAhUF3YMKHf5NCzoQ_AUICSgC&biw=1352&bih=721

[Argus]

You seem to be ignoring the point that the vast majority of Christians and Muslims ignore scriptures which state that unbelievers should be put to death.

I don't believe either Christian or Muslim scriptures say that.

Muslim's believe unbelievers should be converted. If they are followers of another religion, one of those accepted, like Jews and Christians, they can continue to live in a Muslim land, but they face special restrictions and taxes. Any land not ruled by Islam can be attacked by Islams and conquered and the people forced to convert or die (unless they're Christians or Jews), and their women can be taken as sex slaves.

If you mean just atheists than, well.. I wouldn't mention your atheism if you happen to be in a Muslim country if you value your health.

[Argus]

Any Christian church who uses biblical justification for pedophlia and polygamy.

So you're going to compare tiny sects to the bulk of Islam?

Doesn't that mean I get to use the most extreme Muslim groups like ISIS and the Taliban as examples of what Islam is?

[DogOnPorch]

Atheists are lumped in with Polytheists as I posted earlier. No Jizya.

However, the Jizya comes from the Laws of Omar...a successor to Mohammad. Muhammad preferred beheadings to get the point across.

[Goddess]

So what do you expect me to say if you know the verses ? I am Muslim.

** blink, blink **

This coupled with the statement that Islam is innovative......I don't even know what to say.

[DogOnPorch]

Omar was the Companion whose armies captured Jerusalem (along with the rest of the Levant) in 637 AD. It was Omar that declared the ruined Jewish temple the very site of the furthest mosque...a dream mosque where Muhammad ascended to Heaven to receive the Quran. This is the reason Jerusalem is holy to Muslims. He had a victory mosque built atop it which eventually expanded into the Temple Mount of today.

It was the Mufti that gave Al-Aqsa its gold covering.

[drummindiver]

The vast majority do that every day; which is quite powerful and important. It shows that the vast majority of Christians and Muslims are moral despite their scripture not because of their scripture.

What?

I thought the only reason we had morality was due to religion.

[drummindiver]

No cite needed just look around you. You claim that its the duty of all muslims to kill infidels upon the command of ISIS. ISIS has issued the command.

How many have taken up the sword?

Sliks statement 'the vast majority of Christians and Muslims are

moral despite their scripture not because of their scripture.' is true and your claim that all muslims 'must' and especially your insinuation that they 'will' is obviously false.

It is the duty of all Muslims to kill due to the Koran.

ISIS is just the messenger boys.