Why Islam is dangerous

[Guest]

Are you aware of the pillars and tenets of Islam? You might want to investigate.

No. I am aware of the guy who left my home town in the UK to travel to Glasgow to kill another Muslim. Of the two, I prefer the Glaswegian.

[DogOnPorch]

No. I am aware of the guy who left my home town in the UK to travel to Glasgow to kill another Muslim. Of the two, I prefer the Glaswegian.

One is acceptance of all revealed messages of Allah. Not some of them. So....

Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah , and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.

https://quran.com/5:44

[DogOnPorch]

Be aware of the concept of 'guarding' re: Islam....Taqiya and other words depending on the sect of Islam...it's allowed. Even mandatory if it means Islam taking a hit where one can be avoided.

[eyeball]

One is acceptance of all revealed messages of Allah. Not some of them. So....

You sound like you're really starting top believe this crap.

[Guest]

One is acceptance of all revealed messages of Allah. Not some of them. So....

Yeah, but as I said, there was never any such thing as Allah, so I don't believe a word of it.

Muslims, on the other hand, do exist, so when one of them says he is one, I believe him. Or her. Whether or not he, or she, is good or bad, sane or insane, benign or unfathomably vicious.

[DogOnPorch]

Yeah, but as I said, there was never any such thing as Allah, so I don't believe a word of it.

Muslims, on the other hand, do exist, so when one of them says he is one, I believe him. Or her. Whether or not he, or she, is good or bad, sane or insane, benign or unfathomably vicious.

Nor do I.

But Muslims do...that's the difference.

Allah says: Fight them until religion...all of it...is for Allah.

Atheists are lumped-in with the polytheists. Death with no offer of Jizya.

[DogOnPorch]

Here you go if interested...

https://quran.com/8/38-39

Now it is important to know that Islam forbids 'offensive' combat. Warfare is meant to be 'defensive'. However, what the Quran considers defense would be considered quite offensive to you or I. Having a different view of who the successor to Muhammad was....as Shia and Sunni do....would be an example. You are forced to defend your true Islam vs the Heretic.

For a better understanding, one needs to understand the concept of Houses in Islam. Where war is permitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_the_world_in_Islam

[Guest]

Here you go if interested...

https://quran.com/8/38-39

Now it is important to know that Islam forbids 'offensive' combat. Warfare is meant to be 'defensive'. However, what the Quran considers defense would be considered quite offensive to you or I. Having a different view of who the successor to Muhammad was....as Shia and Sunni do....would be an example. You are forced to defend your true Islam vs the Heretic.

For a better understanding, one needs to understand the concept of Houses in Islam. Where war is permitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_the_world_in_Islam

It doesn't matter. As a lapsed Catholic, I would go to Church on Sunday and covet my neighbour's bicycle on Monday. I was still a Catholic, and any action I took which I took based on and because of my beliefs would still have been Catholic action.

[DogOnPorch]

It doesn't matter. As a lapsed Catholic, I would go to Church on Sunday and covet my neighbour's bicycle on Monday. I was still a Catholic, and any action I took which I took based on and because of my beliefs would still have been Catholic action.

It doesn't matter to you...correction. But you, like myself have had similar experiences with the IRA trying to kill us. Correct? These things do happen.

[Guest]

It doesn't matter to you...correction. But you, like myself have had similar experiences with the IRA trying to kill us. Correct? These things do happen.

No argument. It's all in the numbers.

[Michael Hardner]

From the dead 'Islam, Facebook, Wikipedia' thread:

I wouldn't. It would never occur to me.

In your world, would you ever try to control someone's actions based on your religious beliefs? What would be a dangerous action to you that would be simple self expression to me? Would gay people be allowed to marry in your world? Would I be allowed to draw Muhammad, and have an exhibition of my work?

So what does Islam have to say about Facebook and Wikipedia when there are things on these servers which might be considered morally offensive?

Its interesting to you because you are probably an atheist or at least a non religious person. Being an atheist is also a belief like as our religious belief. THere is no compulsion in the system. So you are free to believe whatever you want as long as you dont start to harm public order or you dont perform dangerous actions.

Yeah, that totally sucks for you guys. Sure hope you do not succeed. Nothing personal, you seem like a sweet person and pretty smart, but ruled by religious beliefs? That's just cruel for anyone who doesn't believe what you believe.

[Guest]

Well, now I'm all lost and confused. I'm going for a bike ride.

[DogOnPorch]

No argument. It's all in the numbers.

The IRA are tiny. It's such a cozy organization that I even know the name and background of the fellow.

[Argus]

Well, now I'm all lost and confused. I'm going for a bike ride.

He closed down the facebook and Islam topic and posted the last few posts here. I don't actually have a problem with it. Nobody was talking about facebook, wikipedia and islam there anyway.

[Argus]

Yes we want a state ruled according to Islam. We cant call it simply as a religion but its a system of rules.

And this, ultimately, is why Islam is dangerous. Because the majority of its adherents want Sharia law and a state ruled by Islam, which, of course, is not 'just' a religion, but also a complete guide to law, government and social behaviour.

And that guide was written hundreds of years ago in the middle east by barbarians. And has never changed.

[Guest]

He closed down the facebook and Islam topic and posted the last few posts here. I don't actually have a problem with it. Nobody was talking about facebook, wikipedia and islam there anyway.

Got you. I've decided against the bike ride. It's too windy. I could get blown under a semi...

Edited September 11, 2016 by bcsapper

[eyeball]

I actually think the greatest danger is from people who insist on not mentioning superpower-based root causes from discussions that involve Islam's problems. As we're seeing happen more and more often around here.

[?Impact]

The difference between the Quran and the Bible is that is is the VERY word of Allah as dictated to Muhammad.

The Bible's only claim to divinity in script is Jesus's words (in red). And he's a peaceful fellow.

So what do you make of Exodus 20 (among many others)?

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me....

[eyeball]

He closed down the facebook and Islam topic and posted the last few posts here. I don't actually have a problem with it. Nobody was talking about facebook, wikipedia and islam there anyway.

He closed it down after I reported the other thread hijackers on here today.

First time I've ever reported anyone after 18727 posts...now I feel like I need to go take a shower.

I admit I never expected such a quick response.

Edited September 11, 2016 by eyeball

[Guest]

I actually think the greatest danger is from people who insist on not mentioning superpower-based root causes from discussions that involve Islam's problems. As we're seeing happen more and more often around here.

Of the approximately 80 million people who are thought to have died during and immediately after the Second World War, how many would you blame on the Treaty of Versailles?

[Michael Hardner]

Would you please also repost my post Michael.

Thanks.

This process was well underway in places in the ME/Islamic nations, most importantly in Iran, but we chose to arrest that process and the rest as they say is history.

[eyeball]

Lots.

[DogOnPorch]

So what do you make of Exodus 20 (among many others)?

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me....

That's from the OT, of course.

Jesus said that he didn't come to change God's laws but to fulfill them.

http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm

His message was if you're unaware: Go and do thou likewise. That is: Do unto others as you would have done to you.

http://biblehub.com/luke/10-37.htm

[Altai]

And this, ultimately, is why Islam is dangerous. Because the majority of its adherents want Sharia law and a state ruled by Islam, which, of course, is not 'just' a religion, but also a complete guide to law, government and social behaviour.

And that guide was written hundreds of years ago in the middle east by barbarians. And has never changed.

Its a set of rules written long before as to be compatible with yesterday, today and tomorrow. Its a system open to innovations.

[Argus]

Its a set of rules written long before as to be compatible with yesterday, today and tomorrow. Its a system open to innovations.

What innovations? I mean, Christianity had the Reformation, and gradually evolved away from strict interpretations of the old testament.

Instead these were considered parables, and loose guides. The more violent instructions were abandoned as a product of their times.

But no such liberalizing has happened to Islam and its 'laws'. It still calls for thieves to have their hands removed. It still calls for adulterers to be gruesomely killed, for blasphemers and gays and those who decide to leave Islam to be killed. It still says women are worth less than a man and must be obedient to their husbands, who is allowed to beat them if he so chooses. And it still contains instructions which regard non-believers as open to attack and conquest by Islam.

These are the kinds of things which need to be abandoned.