-1=e^ipi Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 I don't know, I think I, and a lot of Canadians, wouldn't mind getting back into Liberal surplus budgets for a while. Budget Surpluses aren't some magical property of the liberals. They can't just wave a magic wand and make money appear. Canada will be in budget surplus in ~4 years regardless of which of the 3 parties wins. You do know that the Flag of Scotland is often called St. Andrew's Cross, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Scotland "The Scottish heraldic term for an X-shaped cross is a 'saltire', from the old French word saultoir or salteur (itself derived from the Latin saltatorium), a word for both a type of stile constructed from two cross pieces and a type of cross-shaped stirrup-cord." Plus, JT is pretty sexy..... Way to demean your gender... Quote
Hal 9000 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 For the record, I'm not against liberals. I voted Cretien. What I don't like is Trudeau, yeah he's sexy and cool and wants to legalize marijuana, but god help us if that's what we're voting for. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 Not a magical property, but a historical property. I hope your projection as to budgets going forward actually works out. We need it for sure. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 Are you just trying to poke at the CPC supporters or do you really believe this? Of course I don't believe this. It was said 'tongue in cheek'. There is a poster here who thinks that women who vote 'liberal' while JT is the leader are thinking with their vaginas. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
BC_chick Posted July 31, 2014 Author Report Posted July 31, 2014 I wish I could address all the responses to me (I've never logged in and saw so many notifications), but obviously I can't. One question though that I'd like to answer is why I wanted to vote for JT in the first place. Honestly, it's a bit of anything-but-Harper but as my opening post implied, I realised that he's Harper in a red shiny wrapping instead of blue. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
BC_chick Posted July 31, 2014 Author Report Posted July 31, 2014 Of course I don't believe this. It was said 'tongue in cheek'. There is a poster here who thinks that women who vote 'liberal' while JT is the leader are thinking with their vaginas. I wasn't sure. Good on ya then, keep up the good work! Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Remiel Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 Harper is like every PM that Canada has ever had. The only reason liberals don't notice is past Liberal PMs tended to do things that they agree with. Everything he touches turns to manure. Including lots of things past PMs all managed to touch without turning to manure. Quote
TimG Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 Everything he touches turns to manure. Including lots of things past PMs all managed to touch without turning to manure.That is what partisans always say about PMs from parties they don't support. Quote
Remiel Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 That is what partisans always say about PMs from parties they don't support. A broken clock is still right twice a day. Quote
Rue Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 Stephen Harper has been in power too long. He's been corrupted by power exactly the same as Chretien,Mulroney, Trudeau, McKenzie King, Laurier. Any PM who is in power too long will become complacent, develop bad habits and become corrupted by the sycophants, partisans and the patronage system. In that sense I agree with the Yanks that a chief executive should be limited to a maximum of two terms. Its a bit difficult in the Parliamentary system though so I get that. In the current case, ideally I would love a fresh new government if for no other reason to clean up the entrenched network of patronage. However what's the alternative? As elitist and arrogant and secretive and corrupt as Harper has become who is the alternatie? Mulcair? Give me a break. He would ruin this country with his economic policies. Who else. What that Drama teacher? The only reason Trudeau is in politics is because of his name. period. Any one else with his background would be laughed at. He exists politically because of his name, period. He is a sheltered rich boy with zero life or academic experience to manage a country. He is a person who taught drama for a year. He's a friggin drama teacher. I strongly support Harper foreign policy. I disagree with some financial policies but for the most part I agree. When I look at the Liberal and NDPeconomic platforms I cringe. In regards to foreign policy or all other policies other than the economy, Mulcair is actually a Red Tory or typical Liberal.. I could stomach the rest, but not his economic policies. Trudeau? Absolutely embarrassing to think he would appear on world stage. Quote
Moonbox Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) No I looked up the etymology, already well aware of the definition and IMO, apptly applied it. Right, you looked up the etymology of the word for no real reason. That's a perfectly normal thing to do, and I totally believe you.... In case you're still not sure about platitudes, read through this article. It is dripping with them, and it's only one speech! http://www.globalresearch.ca/canadas-harpers-speech-in-the-israeli-knesset-not-in-my-name/5365941 Your source is an Palestine Chronicle columnist and hobby book reviewer. A brief look at his portfolio of articles gives a pretty strong picture of his 'credibility'. As for the use of the word 'platitudes' in this joke of an article, written by a joke of an author, it was a platitude itself. As far as he's concerned, it's a word to use when you don't like what someone has to say. He speaks at length about how awful Israel is and how he disagrees with virtually everything Harper has to say, even going so far as to fabricate his own interpretations of Harper's words, but at no point does he display anything BUT a desperate bias. The fact that you even thought this was a remotely worthwhile reference to bring up in this forum is funny, but it's no doubt an attempt to save face after being caught looking up the definition to a word you didn't really understand. Edited July 31, 2014 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
dre Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 For the record, I'm not against liberals. I voted Cretien. What I don't like is Trudeau, yeah he's sexy and cool and wants to legalize marijuana, but god help us if that's what we're voting for. Actually criminalization of soft drugs is such a disasterous and expensive policy, that legalizing weed would probably be the most useful thing the government has done in recent history. Its been a long time since the government of Canada actually produced a useful piece of legislation. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Moonbox Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 Supporting Israel and spouting platitudes are not mutually exclusive. Not by a desert league. No, but if you're going to use the word 'platitude' you might as well use it in the sense that it actually has some relevant meaning. Does Harper spout platitudes? Sure! He does it every day, on a host of issues, just like every politician does. In terms of his support of Israel, however, his stance and his words are a far more principled, meaningful and significant (whether you agree with them or not) than the empty, automatic and consensus statements most of the UN diplomats are making. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
eyeball Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) Actually criminalization of soft drugs is such a disasterous and expensive policy, that legalizing weed would probably be the most useful thing the government has done in recent history. Its been a long time since the government of Canada actually produced a useful piece of legislation. No kidding and we can probably count on Liberals to legalize it in a manner that should cheer any conservative by handing production over to Big Weed (probably a consortium of tobacco and booze producers). No doubt it'll be surrounded it with a thick blanket of Nanny-state-like regulatory protections and tax policies. By the time the Conservatives come back to power they'll have a brand new budget surplus to blow and a whole bunch of ridiculous regulations to tighten up and add to. Edited July 31, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 I don't know, I think I, and a lot of Canadians, wouldn't mind getting back into Liberal surplus budgets for a while. All you need to do is reverse time to go back to before the financial crisis happened. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 Plus, JT is pretty sexy..... Great reason to vote for him... for women. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 If the liberals win, it can be said that it is true that women think with their vaginas and they came out in a united front to vote in the sexy man. They certainly won't be thinking with any other part of their anatomy. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 I suspect people can see the desperation behind, and frankly are pissed off with, Harper's attack ads on Trudeau. It has worked for him before, but it seems like that's all he's got. And it seems to be backfiring this time around. Because Trudeau is pretty. Gives us all the information we need on the intelligence of the average voter... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 If Harper wins another majority "Canada" as a country worth praising or one that is unified by common institutions is done for. That statement is utter drivel without a shred of intelligent thought behind it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 What that Drama teacher? The only reason Trudeau is in politics is because of his name. period. Any one else with his background would be laughed at. He exists politically because of his name, period. He is a sheltered rich boy with zero life or academic experience to manage a country. He is a person who taught drama for a year. He's a friggin drama teacher. Sounds very much like Harper lo those years before. Ya know, zero life or academic experience...worked for daddy and never in private business. Seems to have worked out well for him. Quote
Moonbox Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) Israels desire to permanently keep those territories has nothing to do with any attacks by Arabs. They want the land because it has high biblical and practical importance, and they always knew the arabs with fight them... Sure, but they live there now, have for 60+ years, and they're not leaving. The only questions now are things like the development of settlements in the occupied territories and the blockades on Gaza etc. Those are the points that groups like Hamas etc should be focusing on and trying to negotiate. The state of Israel isn't going anywhere, regardless of their frothing belligerence. Thats a quote from Ben Gurion known as the "founding father of Israel". Arab resistance was expected and planned for. When you steal land that millions of other people call their home, violence is a forgone conclusion. But theres more to it than that. The weak and innefectual resistance offered up by the arabs has actually been a godsend for Israel. They have used it as an excuse to TRIPLE in size, and sieze 2/3's of their water supply. I know who he is, and I know what they did. The Arab 'resistance' wasn't weak, however, it was strong and persistent but also incompetent and ineffectual like you said. You're right that Israel benefited from defending themselves successfully (a shocking thought!), but the continued invasions and attacks against them erased any moral high ground the Arabs might have had in negotiating the return of territories. Decades later, with areas heavily settled and developed, there's no hope of going back to the original borders either. Eventually, it's a realistic and practical fait accompli that many (not all) of these settlements and developments are never going to be dismantled. Any negotiations moving forward between Palestinians and Israeli have to be give-take instead of the all-or-nothing demands being made. Edited July 31, 2014 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Argus Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 Every rebel group has islamists in it. Therefore giving money to rebels means giving money to islamists. By that standard, since every Muslim country has Islamists in it we should halt all foreign aid to Muslim countries. Look, the Harper government is just using the 'incomplete mapping' as an excuse to claim the North Pole. Ah I see. You have insider information and know all their private thoughts and tactics, eh? There is more than sufficient information to know that it is not Canadian territory. As for being a normal tactic, just because it is normal does not mean it is right nor in the best interests of Canada. Yes, of course, we're the naive, open, honest folks who regularly get fleeced by all those who do use such tactics. The West's position has weakened substantially over the past decade due to utter hypocracy. Let's not give more legitimacy to China's absurd territorial claims but instead work with our allies (ex. Denmark) to ensure fair territorial claims are established to ensure peace. And you actually think China will give a good goddam about such things? China!? When it comes to territorial claims China will spit in your face, kick you in the balls, and dare you to do anything about it. Red Herring. I agree that the Crimean referendum was a bit of a joke. It was complete bullshit, you mean? However, no western leaders would recognize the results of any Crimean referendum under any circumstances (especially Harper), as far as they are concerned it is Ukrainian territory and has no right to self determination. So if the people in, say, southeastern BC voted to separate from Canada we'd recognize that? Right... If you really think this then you have been deluded by the western media. I love how some of you guys take the attitude that you have this secret, ultra-accurate source of information that all the other dupes just don't get because we're only reading "western media" or "mainstream media". Yet whenever one of you posts one of your 'secret, super accurate" sites it turns out be a collection of nut cases raving about aliens and spidermonkeys. Really? What did he steal? Tens of billions of dollars. Who did he kill (well he was in the KGB so you never know...)? Anyone who caused him troubles, not to mention he's responsible for massacres in Chechnya, and Russian attacks on Ukraine and Georgia. No trade with Russia? What protectionist nonsense is this? Russia's renewed militarism and aggression come on the backs of money. Without money, it is back to being a poverty stricken shithole again. The cold war is long over and Russia has a lot better human rights than many of our 'allies' (such as Saudi Arabia). Russia's human rights record has been in a tailspin since Putin took over, and continues to deteriorate. And the cold war is back on. Hell, even Sweden is talking about increasing defense spending and possibly even joining Nato in light of increasing Russian aggression. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 He's not trying to rebuild the soviet union. Trying to rebuild some sort of neo-russian empire, sure. But not the soviet union. What was the Soviet Union but a neo Russian empire? So the new one won't have the trappings of Communism. That doesn't make for an improvement when it retains the same aggressive, expansionist mindset. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 Of course I don't believe this. It was said 'tongue in cheek'. There is a poster here who thinks that women who vote 'liberal' while JT is the leader are thinking with their vaginas. Every woman I know who talks about Trudeau dwells on his looks first and foremost. Many are going to vote for him, and when asked why, all they can say is he's sexy. They don't know much or often anything at all about any policies he might put in place and, being largely apolitical and disinterested in politics, don't care. He's cute. He's hot. He's sexy. He has nice hair. Those are the 'policies' women are going to vote for in Trudeau. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 Everything he touches turns to manure. Including lots of things past PMs all managed to touch without turning to manure. Like what? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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