Wilber Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 That's the way it is. I don't imagine Minor league football would be all that popular. D-League basketball draws flies but it's played in an arena. But with Football you generally need to play in big stadiums. It's an interesting sidenote that we may see the end of the CFLs Toronto Argonauts in the next few years. The main tenant of the Rogers Centre, Blue Jays, want to put natural grass in the stadium. It would be impossible to keep the Argos playing there if that's the case. BMO field is built for Soccer and would need $30 million in renovations to host a CFL team. MLSE wants the 3 levels of government to chip in if that'll happen. The Feds refuse because if they do it for the Argos then the CFL teams that make money will want a piece. Hamilton just got a new stadium for the Pan Am games, there is no money to build another stadium in the region for that even, plus it's only a year away. You could play at York or UofT but those stadiums only hold like 5,000 people. A for-profit football team would need to generate like 20,000 people a game. So that's sort of the same reason a developmental league for the NFL would likely never work gotta have a large stadium for a team that may not be all that popular. Football is just another game played on a field with a ball and it doesn't need bigger stadiums than any other game played on a field with a ball. Junior football is quite popular in many parts of the country. Development leagues also give many people to see future stars who could never afford or get to a major league game. Junior hockey is a perfect example. The Vancouver Canadians, a single A Blue Jays farm team had 23 sellouts last year. If Toronto can't get 20,000 people out to a football game when cities like Regina can, why would anyone want to spend billions to get an NFL team, which they won't because as previously stated, it is in the NFL's best interest for the CFL to survive. All a Toronto team would do is cut into Buffalo's gate, just as a team in Vancouver would hurt Seattle. Nope, the NFL's got a great scam going. They pay zero for player development, skim off the cream and discard the rest. Parasites. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Boges Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Basketball barely had a development system either. Some NBA teams share D-league teams. Putting a player in the D-league is just like putting them on a practice squad in the NFL. College sports develops players. The system works for both parties involved. Quote
Wilber Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Clearly some don't.....Canada does not have a NFL franchise last time I checked. No, but the NFL needs to get out front on this instead of just trying to put out fires. Kind of like the little old CFL's, BC Lions. they've been doing this since 2011. http://endingviolence.org/prevention-programs/be-more-than-a-bystander/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK2enZ40-rg Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted September 17, 2014 Report Posted September 17, 2014 Basketball barely had a development system either. Some NBA teams share D-league teams. Putting a player in the D-league is just like putting them on a practice squad in the NFL. College sports develops players. The system works for both parties involved. It develops players for billionaires for free. Parasites. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Boges Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 It develops players for billionaires for free. Parasites. Yeah like the colleges mind. Do you think NCAA schools would be happy if the NFL players could be signed out of high school. Remember that used to happen in the NBA and it stopped. Quote
Wilber Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 Yeah like the colleges mind. Do you think NCAA schools would be happy if the NFL players could be signed out of high school. Remember that used to happen in the NBA and it stopped. If they signed players out of high school, they would need their own development league. 99.9% of kids drafted right out high school couldn't hack it on the big team for at least two years. The colleges should mind, the NFL should be paying them for the service they are providing for nothing. So should any other league which drafts out of a college, including the NHL. There should be a flat rate paid to a college for every player drafted. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Boges Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 The four leagues all do player development differently. The MLB is the only league that pays for a true farm system. The MLB makes a lot of money but have a huge problem among young people. The NHL has a separate private league here in Canada where young players are developed but the NHL doesn't own those teams. The NHL does have the AHL but that's more to keep players in the wings until they're needed. The NHL also does get players from the NCAA. The NBA has the D-League but that's a pretty sad sack league. The best players will make an NBA roster or go to Europe, The NFL has by far the largest rosters of the 4 leagues. They can keep practice roster players, which don't exist in the other sports but College football is arguably a more popular sport than many pro leagues. So why would either party want to ruin that. The NFL does invest in other leagues. They helped the CFL and had a league in Europe that didn't work out. I've never heard of a semi-pro player ending up in the pros. Arena league and CFL players do make it, but it's not common, so why should the NFL invest in a league where only a handful of players may make it there. Keep in mind the nature of the NFL, you're only playing 4 month of a season and one game a week, what day of the week would this Farm league play? IMHO having a practice squad on each team is a much better way to keep players at a pro level in the wings. Quote
Boges Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) If they signed players out of high school, they would need their own development league. 99.9% of kids drafted right out high school couldn't hack it on the big team for at least two years. The colleges should mind, the NFL should be paying them for the service they are providing for nothing. So should any other league which drafts out of a college, including the NHL. There should be a flat rate paid to a college for every player drafted. Top NCAA colleges make enough money without the help of the NFL. NCAA schools often outdraw NFL teams in attendance. Many NFL teams struggle to fill their stadiums. Several NCAA schools can get up to 100,000 coming to watch home games. There are also really good TV deals for the NCAA, Basketball and Football. Many argue the NCAA tournament is the best North American Sporting event of the year. NCAA Football is very popular and this year they're having a real 4-team playoff instead of having a committee decide the top 2 teams. Edited September 18, 2014 by Boges Quote
Wilber Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 Keep in mind the nature of the NFL, you're only playing 4 month of a season and one game a week, what day of the week would this Farm league play? IMHO having a practice squad on each team is a much better way to keep players at a pro level in the wings. There are six other days and eight other months. What's the problem? So they keep a lot of players on the roster, they didn't pay anything for the development of any of them. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Boges Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 There are six other days and eight other months. What's the problem? So they keep a lot of players on the roster, they didn't pay anything for the development of any of them. The NBA doesn't either. Why should the NFL lose money on a league because college football is popular? Quote
Wilber Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 The NBA doesn't either. Why should the NFL lose money on a league because college football is popular? Then compensate the colleges. If the college is using its sports programs to subsidize their schools, why shouldn't teams compensate them. Most colleges are not for profit organizations. Professional sports teams are. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Boges Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Then compensate the colleges. If the college is using its sports programs to subsidize their schools, why shouldn't teams compensate them. Most colleges are not for profit organizations. Professional sports teams are.College football is the only sport that actually makes money for its colleges. Having players make the NFL also helps programs recruit. College Football and Basketball makes so much money that the top public employee in many states is a coach. Edited September 18, 2014 by Boges Quote
Big Guy Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Posted September 18, 2014 This mat change a few things; http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/mar/27/college-football-players-northwestern-university-union Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 This mat change a few things; http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/mar/27/college-football-players-northwestern-university-union Thats paying players. The NFL wouldn't pay them, the school would. It's a complicated issue. Who gets paid? Only football player? Only the players that generate money? I don't have a solid position on it. Both sides have good points. Quote
Wilber Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 $75K a year. That's quite a scholarship. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Boges Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 $75K a year. That's quite a scholarship. Northwestern is one of those "good" schools. Probably not a lot of people who will get arrested will go there. Also not many pros. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 I thought this thread was about football penalties. Talk about thread drift! Looks like another NFL star 'Dwyer' was arrested on domestic charges. We've had 4 guys in the last few weeks charged with assault. Isn't it time for the NFL to set a good example for men to behave like 'good, honourable men' towards women and children instead of rewarding them with multi million dollar contracts and turning a blind eye. Is the tide turning or just a blip? Sadly, I think it's just a blip in the reputation of the NFL. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 I really get tired of these 'men' who quote these men 'under investigation' as having admirable character traits and being community minded, strong minded blah blah blah. They should stop defending these men who are under criminal investigation and think about the greater good of protecting women and children. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Boges Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) I thought this thread was about football penalties. Talk about thread drift! Looks like another NFL star 'Dwyer' was arrested on domestic charges. We've had 4 guys in the last few weeks charged with assault. Isn't it time for the NFL to set a good example for men to behave like 'good, honourable men' towards women and children instead of rewarding them with multi million dollar contracts and turning a blind eye. Is the tide turning or just a blip? Sadly, I think it's just a blip in the reputation of the NFL. What we were talking about is more debatable. No one defends assaulting women and/or children. The debate here is what the suspension should be for a first offense. 6-games? A full year? Permanently? The NFL has been very wishy washy about this. Edited September 18, 2014 by Boges Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 What we were talking about is more debatable. No one defends assaulting women and/or children. The debate here is what the suspension should be for a first offense. 6-games? A full year? Permanently? The NFL has been very wishy washy about this. This isn't what the last pages were discussing. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 Ravens running back Ray Rice was indicted on a third-degree assault charge after a physical incident with his soon-to-be-wife at an Atlantic City hotel. He knocked her out in an elevator. He is now married to her. According to the Baltimore Sun and our NFL Insider Jason La Canfora, the NFL has suspended Rice for the first two games of the 2014 season and fined him an additional game paycheck. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24635625/report-ravens-rb-ray-rice-suspended-two-games-for-alleged-assault. Some pundits feel that it is too lenient a punishment whiule others think it is too harsh. The typical suspension for illegal drug use is 4 games. What do you think? This is the op for this thread, in case anyone has forgotten. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 What we were talking about is more debatable. Of course it is. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Boges Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 This isn't what the last pages were discussing. Thats the thread drift. It was brought up that NFL players are arrested at a higher rate than in other pro sports. Why? Some seem to think it's because the NFL invests nothing in player development. I think it's just the demographics of the players that excel in the sport. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 Thats the thread drift. It was brought up that NFL players are arrested at a higher rate than in other pro sports. Why? Some seem to think it's because the NFL invests nothing in player development. I think it's just the demographics of the players that excel in the sport. It doesn't matter if they are arrested at a higher rate. If they are arrested for domestic violence, we should draw attention to it. Let's take the opportunity to exploit these sports celebrities being caught red-handed committing violent acts against women and children to draw attention to the issue. They earn millions of dollars each year. They will eventually buy their way out of the mess they got themselves into and they will be long gone from the media spotlight. In the meantime, the media has drawn attention to this very serious issue of domestic violence. What's so wrong with that? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Boges Posted September 18, 2014 Report Posted September 18, 2014 It doesn't matter if they are arrested at a higher rate. If they are arrested for domestic violence, we should draw attention to it. Let's take the opportunity to exploit these sports celebrities being caught red-handed committing violent acts against women and children to draw attention to the issue. They earn millions of dollars each year. They will eventually buy their way out of the mess they got themselves into and they will be long gone from the media spotlight. In the meantime, the media has drawn attention to this very serious issue of domestic violence. What's so wrong with that? This issues have drawn attention to it. Nothing wrong with it. Lots of talk on the media about child abuse. Quote
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