Argus Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 Since you continue to emphasise your perception that you are a lot smarter than anyone else on this board Not everyone else. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 I suspect it's your perspective which is pretty unique. Most adults have very little difficulty telling right from wrong. I would have to point out here that many folks here may think that your perspective is pretty unique and that perhaps you have difficulty telling right from wrong. It is all in the eye of the beholder. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
GostHacked Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 So, now US officials are saying that the shoot down of the plane has no link to Russia. http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/no-direct-link-to-russia-in-downing-of-flight-mh17-u-s-officials-1.1925639 WASHINGTON -- Senior U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday that Russia was responsible for "creating the conditions" that led to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, but they offered no evidence of direct Russian government involvement. The intelligence officials were cautious in their assessment, noting that while the Russians have been arming separatists in eastern Ukraine, the U.S. had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia. The officials briefed reporters Tuesday under ground rules that their names not be used in discussing intelligence related to last week's air disaster, which killed 298 people. Quote
Smallc Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 That's not what they said at all. They said they have no direct evidence, and that's a very different thing. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 That's not what they said at all. They said they have no direct evidence, and that's a very different thing. They always seem to come out of the gates with heavy accusations, then retract when real information comes out. Just like the chemical attacks in Syria. And now apparently we have two downed SU-27s in eastern Ukraine. Anyone else want to continue with the risk and fly over? Quote
GostHacked Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92kG2tMBR40 The tactics by western media is appalling. Chris Cuomo is a tool. Edited July 23, 2014 by GostHacked Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Posted July 23, 2014 Nutty conspiracy sites are not adequate cites. Agreed. I'm surprised that people (in general) are buying in to some of the nonsense from RT. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 Agreed. I'm surprised that people (in general) are buying in to some of the nonsense from RT. People, in general, are not, except in certain parts of the world, like Russia. However, there has been a noted uptrend in the number of believers in nutty conspiracy theories over the past decade or so. The Arab world has always been in love with them, and Russians are a captive audience for Putin's media machine, but even in the West we see a number of people spouting loony theories or taking kooky ideas seriously, and I wonder why that is. I wonder if anyone's ever done a study on such individuals to find out of there's a commonality in terms of education, intellect or psychology. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 I think Argus is going to have to change his views in light of events as of late. Take Russia to task if they are in fact behind it. But then take the US to task for Syria. Russia is blamed for supporting the rebels with arms and training. East Ukraine The US is blamed for supporting the rebels with arms and training. Syria via Turkey/Jordan/Qatar. But then you also have the US EU backing the Ukraine side of things. Some might call it a moral disconnect, but I fear it is a reality disconnect instead. It's obvious there are more nuances to this than initially thought or trotted out by western media. You know this can tie into that thread regarding propaganda of the west and the east. Both do it, but to the masses in which the message is directed, they end up buying into whatever story because of where are living. Both claim both sides are bad. And they are BOTH right. But will any of them come clean with anything? Not on your life. Well, maybe if it means your life, they really don't care in the end about the common man as long as they can be manipulated and controlled. RT is no better than CNN. Both support one side and are not critical of their own government to the extent they are critical of other governments. It's nothing but a show. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Posted July 23, 2014 It's one thing to say there are problems with both countries, but quite another to say RT is the same as CNN. Is the BBC the same as RT ? It's a question of being able to discern quality. Even a great steak has some rat hair on it - would you prefer to bite into a rat ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 It's one thing to say there are problems with both countries, but quite another to say RT is the same as CNN. Is the BBC the same as RT ? It's a question of being able to discern quality. Even a great steak has some rat hair on it - would you prefer to bite into a rat ? Yeah they are all pretty much the same. They all report on mainly the same things. Lots of feeds from sources like AP and Reuters. Without them really doing any real journalism on their own. It's a sock puppet show. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 More on propaganda. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ordinary-russians-back-putin-kremlin-s-view-of-malaysian-airlines-mh17-tragedy-1.2716002 The international attempts to isolate Russia over the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in Eastern Ukraine have not sheltered its citizens from the shock and anguish of last week's horrific event. The reactions of ordinary Russians to the tragedy range from resentment of the West's incrimination of the pro-Russia separatists and Russia itself to feelings of guilt and responsibility. But in the broad array of reactions, President Vladimir Putin's popularity — his approval rating exceeds 80 per cent, according to recent surveys — and the controlled coverage of the MH17 disaster in state-owned media appear to have led large portions of the Russian population to support the Kremlin's narrative. And you don't think WE are being played at all? Right, that crap only happens in Russia. Quote
Argus Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Yeah they are all pretty much the same. Not even close. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Merkuri Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 The US Department of State have Irrefutable Proof...http://forum.for-ua.com/file.php?1,file=7140,filename=3602776.jpg Quote
dre Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 It's one thing to say there are problems with both countries, but quite another to say RT is the same as CNN. Is the BBC the same as RT ? It's a question of being able to discern quality. Even a great steak has some rat hair on it - would you prefer to bite into a rat ? People keep saying this, and I had never seen RT before so I went and watched some recordings on youtube. It really does seem to be a cookie cutter attempt to mimic the business models pioneered by outfits like CNN and FOX, where most of it is rather bland non-contraversial reporting, with editorial bias, and some propoganda sprinkled in here and there. All these networks are carrying water for someone else... I dont trust any of them, but they are all useful pieces of the puzzle. In their defense I noticed that on their google heading they say "A Russian perspective". I would like to see some sort of objective analysis of their respective records, how well their viewers know world events, and how often they were caught in reporting objective falsehoods. I dont know where Id find that though. So in the absense of that, since you are alledging that RT is of lower quality, then perhaps you could show us some examples that illustrate that, that cant be countered with similar examples of CNN or the BBC doing similar things? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
ASIP Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 So in the absense of that, since you are alledging that RT is of lower quality, then perhaps you could show us some examples that illustrate that, that cant be countered with similar examples of CNN or the BBC doing similar things? How about high paid commentators leaving RT because they cannot tolerate lies and propaganda broadcasting by the channel? Quote
GostHacked Posted July 26, 2014 Report Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) How about high paid commentators leaving RT because they cannot tolerate lies and propaganda broadcasting by the channel? Some that were at CNN are now at Fox. Those that left Fox went to ABC, or CBS, or whatever. Some left the others went to Fox and CNN. Not much of a difference. Because of the line they were towing. Edited July 26, 2014 by GostHacked Quote
Argus Posted July 26, 2014 Report Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) In their defense I noticed that on their google heading they say "A Russian perspective". They say that, but that's not what RT represents. BBC represents a British perspective. CBC a Canadian perspective. RT represents the Russian government. It's an entirely different order of magnitude from others like CNN or CBC. Sure, there might be some bias on commercial networks. But it's not organized, dedicated and planned by a criminal, autocratic government to tell lies to people. Edited July 26, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ASIP Posted July 26, 2014 Report Posted July 26, 2014 Some that were at CNN are now at Fox. Those that left Fox went to ABC, or CBS, or whatever. Some left the others went to Fox and CNN. Not much of a difference. Because of the line they were towing. And all of them told (on public) " I cannot tolerate the BS they force me to announce"?! Quote
GostHacked Posted July 26, 2014 Report Posted July 26, 2014 And all of them told (on public) " I cannot tolerate the BS they force me to announce"?! That all depends on the type of BS they are willing to follow. But this may hint at something more deeper in the media. If you don't report on what they tell you, then you need to look for work elsewhere. Investigative journalism is dead in the MSM. And when independent journalists DO cover the facts, it's knocked off as 'conspiracy', or they are from one of those crazy type sites. Only because it does not fit the fabricated reality the media likes to put forth for us. Both sides will play you for a fool. And one would be even more foolish to believe what was coming out of one camp over another and disregard the other as propaganda. Quote
-TSS- Posted July 26, 2014 Report Posted July 26, 2014 Even though acts of this magnitude always lure all kind of tin-foil hat conspiracy-theorists out of their caves I don't think anyone seriously believes anything else than that this shooting down of the plane was a huge error because of a mistaken target; an error which could have easily been avoided for example if the perpetrators had been sober. Quote
ASIP Posted July 27, 2014 Report Posted July 27, 2014 Even though acts of this magnitude always lure all kind of tin-foil hat conspiracy-theorists out of their caves I don't think anyone seriously believes anything else than that this shooting down of the plane was a huge error because of a mistaken target; an error which could have easily been avoided for example if the perpetrators had been sober. This is the problem. The crew was no doubt professionals (scored a hit with limited means). However they must have questioned the airplane flight parameters because Ukraine does not have military planes there flying so high and so fast. The parameters unequivocally belonged to a passenger jet. An expert has pointed out that this happened because the crew was not full and there was no guy who would look into optical sight (10 times magnification) to confirm the target. Quote
Big Guy Posted July 27, 2014 Report Posted July 27, 2014 The US Department of State have Irrefutable Proof... http://forum.for-ua.com/file.php?1,file=7140,filename=3602776.jpg Thanks for sharing. That is funny!!! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted July 27, 2014 Report Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Thanks for sharing. That is funny!!! It's funny you think a Russian site is going to have any legitimate information. How do you come to be reading a Russian site, anyway? Do you speak Russian? Are you Russian? That would explain much. Edited July 27, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted July 27, 2014 Report Posted July 27, 2014 It's funny you think a Russian site is going to have any legitimate information. How do you come to be reading a Russian site, anyway? Do you speak Russian? Are you Russian? That would explain much. Why you rushin', you ain't Russian. Quote
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