Comparisons of America to the Rest of the World.

Argus · June 20, 2014

It's been said that Americans don't value human life the way many other third world countries are known to do.

By morons, maybe.

Troll thread alert...

Shady · June 20, 2014

By morons, maybe.Troll thread alert...

Yep. Yet there's actually glittering jewels of ignorance in this forum actually asking why nobody is engaging this topic. /facepalm

WestCoastRunner · June 20, 2014

This has got to be the worst thread I have ever seen on this forum since I have joined.

Edited June 20, 2014 by WestCoastRunner

monty16 · June 20, 2014

This has got to be the worst thread I have ever seen on this forum since I have joined.

And then maybe in some people's opinion it could be one of the best! I would say about average considering how many responses it has so far. If people like you who don't appreciate good things would just ignore it, it might even do better!

An explanation of why I started it: I've noticed that it's quite common to hear Americans criticizing other countries which either have been their victims or will be their victims. They like to tell us that those countries place little or no value on human life. The danger of letting that go unnoticed is that it just makes it easier for Americans to reconcile in their heads, the slaughter of innocent human beings in those countries.

I believe it could be a very conscious effort of the US propagandists to do so and condition their people for the coming crimes against humanity the US will eventually embark upon again. Everybody should be fully aware by now of this happening. To bring it to the attention of this forum and perhaps others who come here to read, (if any) I think it makes the propagandists' job harder and if this saves just one life from being wasted by US aggression then I would be proud of being a part of it.

Why would any decent person object to it's intent? Better, Americans can attempt to deny the facts and that will further serve my purpose. Or, if you don't want to be a part of the cause then go away and be a part of the problem. It's you who will have to live with yourself!

Did I read you wrong? Do you want to be a part of the cause?

Rue · June 20, 2014

Oh I must respond to the Montyisms that I have numbered.

1-Americans kill their own people with lethal injections.

Your inference that if a nation engages in capital punishment it does not value life is illogical. Using your reasoning, by not engaging in capital punishment would also show lack of respect for human life. As well your point is even more illogical in that lethal injection was implemented precisely because it is the most humane way to kill someone precisely because life is valued and they do not want the person to be in pain when they die. Your point becomes absurd in that it should be obvious to us all that the practicing of capital punishment does not in itself make a state civil or uncivil. Mopre to the point there are numerous third world states that engage in capital punishment in inhumane ways.

2-Americans use lethal injections to kill that don't even work sometimes.

Yes and people are tortured in third world countries and forced to die slowly, your point?

3-Americans don't believe in their people having universal health care.

You engage in a stereotype. Many Americans do, many do not. It does not automatically infer because they want medical care implemented privately that they want people to suffer or do not value life. You leaped to that conclusion. It may be that people who are against goverment control medicare value life so much they do not trust any government with such a responsbility? Did that possibility ever cross your mind

4-Americans applaud their government for killing people in foreign lands for oil.

Now you engage in unsubstantiated inflammatory comments designed to incite hatred against all Americans and suggest they all are murderers and want to kill people for oil. Brilliant. And you base this on what? What the screaming bearded Americans beheading each other and burning Israeli and American flags and chanting God is great! ?

5-Americans have given up more humanitarian methods of killing people such as machetes, in favour of Weapons of Mass Destruction. (the biggest and best in the world!)

By far one of the most ridiculous of statements you have made on this forum and that is saying a lot. How is butchering someone with a machete humane? Your comment is irresponsible. Have you ever seen what happens when someone is left to bleed to death slowly after being attacked by one? More to the point your reasoning is completely absurd. You contend the type of weapon defines whether the killing is more moral. No it does not. It is the justification and context for the killing that defines its motives.

6-Americans kill their own people with their own guns in numbers that far eclipse other *countries.

Syria. Libya. Sudan. Iraq. Iran. Yemen. Timor. Indonesia. The Philippines. Pakistan. Afghanistan. Rawna. Mali. Niger. Dahomey. Chad. All utopias. The Us is the only place where indiscriminate killings happen. Right.

7-In fairness to Americans, they don't believe in killing a fetus and they don't believe in 'spilling the seed' because god is watching and considers it as self-abuse.

So now you suggest every American has the exact same opinion on abortion and free choice and because you think it conforms to your Islamic fundamentalist beliefs you are "being fair". Got it. As long as someone agrees with you, you are "fair" with them. Uh huh.

8-Notwithstanding that they allow their infant mortality rate to remain the highest in the **world.

Now that's fun. Let's just pull some unfounded baseless allegation out of the air and fling it. Never mind a source. Never mind the fact that its patently false. You'' just throw it out there.

The bottom line is your words are designed to inflame and incite hatred against Americans. The bottom line is your words are transparent in their hatred and lack of rationality.

monty16 · June 20, 2014

Oh I must respond to the Montyisms that I have numbered.

1-Americans kill their own people with lethal injections.

Your inference that if a nation engages in capital punishment it does not value life is illogical. Using your reasoning, by not engaging in capital punishment would also show lack of respect for human life. As well your point is even more illogical in that lethal injection was implemented precisely because it is the most humane way to kill someone precisely because life is valued and they do not want the person to be in pain when they die. Your point becomes absurd in that it should be obvious to us all that the practicing of capital punishment does not in itself make a state civil or uncivil. Mopre to the point there are numerous third world states that engage in capital punishment in inhumane ways.

America is one of a very few first world nation that continues to practice capital punishment. That's my point. And mission accomplished when I persuade you to compare the US to third world countries

2-Americans use lethal injections to kill that don't even work sometimes.
Yes and people are tortured in third world countries and forced to die slowly, your point?

Perfect! Again you make the comparison to third world countries. How could I wish for more stupidity than that?

3-Americans don't believe in their people having universal health care.
You engage in a stereotype. Many Americans do, many do not. It does not automatically infer because they want medical care implemented privately that they want people to suffer or do not value life. You leaped to that conclusion. It may be that people who are against goverment control medicare value life so much they do not trust any government with such a responsbility? Did that possibility ever cross your mind

What I can't stop from crossing my mind is that the US still doesn't have universal health care. So maybe a few do believe in it? And there's no doubt at all that the rabid right in the US don't want people to have affordable health care. How stooooopid does it get with you?

4-Americans applaud their government for killing people in foreign lands for oil.
Now you engage in unsubstantiated inflammatory comments designed to incite hatred against all Americans and suggest they all are murderers and want to kill people for oil. Brilliant. And you base this on what? What the screaming bearded Americans beheading each other and burning Israeli and American flags and chanting God is great! ?

Yup, there goes the US comparison to third world countries again. And I didn't say all Americans, I would suggest 'most' because 'most' are continuing to pretend that the Iraq war was legitimate while the rest of the world has moved on and has blamed the US for lying to justify war.

5-Americans have given up more humanitarian methods of killing people such as machetes, in favour of Weapons of Mass Destruction. (the biggest and best in the world!)
By far one of the most ridiculous of statements you have made on this forum and that is saying a lot. How is butchering someone with a machete humane? Your comment is irresponsible. Have you ever seen what happens when someone is left to bleed to death slowly after being attacked by one? More to the point your reasoning is completely absurd. You contend the type of weapon defines whether the killing is more moral. No it does not. It is the justification and context for the killing that defines its motives.

In your rush to compare the US to third world countries you have accused me of saying that a machete is humane. Good one! Have you ever watched a person die that didn't get killed outright by a US bomb? nuff said on that. But I will add that the weapons that kill the most people in the shortest period of time are the most brutal weapons of killing. First place again goes to the US.

6-Americans kill their own people with their own guns in numbers that far eclipse other *countries.
Syria. Libya. Sudan. Iraq. Iran. Yemen. Timor. Indonesia. The Philippines. Pakistan. Afghanistan. Rawna. Mali. Niger. Dahomey. Chad. All utopias. The Us is the only place where indiscriminate killings happen. Right.[/quote}

No, other countries kill their fellow citizens with guns too. And I note once again that you have been coerced into having to compare the US with that rogue's gallery. Perfect! I would be pissed off if you tried to compare it with Canada. That wasn't all that bright was it!

7-In fairness to Americans, they don't believe in killing a fetus and they don't believe in 'spilling the seed' because god is watching and considers it as self-abuse.
So now you suggest every American has the exact same opinion on abortion and free choice and because you think it conforms to your Islamic fundamentalist beliefs you are "being fair". Got it. As long as someone agrees with you, you are "fair" with them. Uh huh.

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monty16 · June 20, 2014

Can you not control yourself and stop trying to say that I'm referring to 'all' Americans? Noted again your comparison of the US to Islamic fundamentalism! Americans murder doctors for killing a fetus while wholeheartedly killing children in foreign lands with their bombs. What can I say? How about, most of the states have tried or even have succeeded in making an abortion impossible, while at the same time allowing abortions under the law.

8-Notwithstanding that they allow their infant mortality rate to remain the highest in the **world.

Now that's fun. Let's just pull some unfounded baseless allegation out of the air and fling it. Never mind a source. Never mind the fact that its patently false. You'' just throw it out there.

(note **)

Say it ain't so. It was my attempt to cause you to once again compare the US to third world countries. Would you like to do that now or just concede the point?

The bottom line is your words are designed to inflame and incite hatred against Americans. The bottom line is your words are transparent in their hatred and lack of rationality.

challenge the rationality of my words but watch out for the comparisons to third world countries. My goal is to expose the fact that the US needs to be exposed and my goal is to inflame and incite hatred against the US when it is justified and warranted to do so. I make no unfair or untrue charges. I do cause you to lower the US image to the point at which you need to prop it up by telling us that third world countries are guilty of the same crimes against humanity. Mission accomplished! Next?

GostHacked · June 20, 2014

monty16, owned by the quote system.

monty16 · June 20, 2014

monty16, owned by the quote system.

Not really. I just don't have the patience to fix it. And the points have been made anyway. Which is revealing in that you couldn't disagree with any of them without trapping yourself because of what you have said previously on this forum. I sneaked a few peeks! Your problem is that I hurt your feelings and now you have to pick up on trivial shit like that instead of acknowledging the facts.

Let's deal with your problem, maybe we can fix it for you? I may have been too harsh with you and should have recognized it as your process of growing up instead of twofaced lying.

GostHacked · June 20, 2014

Actually I stated that no good would come of this thread. You proved both me AND Shady correct. Congratulations, that IS an accomplishment, for it is not an easy task to get Shady on I on the same side of a certain issue or point.

You win at the Internets.

Big Guy · June 20, 2014

...

. My goal is to expose the fact that the US needs to be exposed and my goal is to inflame and incite hatred against the US when it is justified and warranted to do so. I make no unfair or untrue charges. ..

I would suggest that it is never justified or warranted to inflame or incite hatred against any nation. To paint everyone in a society with the same brush is unfair and inaccurate.

GostHacked · June 20, 2014

I would suggest that it is never justified or warranted to inflame or incite hatred against any nation. To paint everyone in a society with the same brush is unfair and inaccurate.

That NEVER happens around here. NEVER.

monty16 · June 20, 2014

I would suggest that it is never justified or warranted to inflame or incite hatred against any nation. To paint everyone in a society with the same brush is unfair and inaccurate.

It wasn't I that painted everyone with the same brush, it was your new friend. He continually made reference to 'painting all Americans' with the same brush and I corrected him several times for doing it.

If you want to make accusations, make sure they are valid ones.

p.s. How many times have you heard the incitement of hatred for Iraq, Iran, N.Korea, Palestine or Palestinians, and others by people on this forum? How many times have you questioned that kind of behaviour?

When I make accusations against the US which appear to you to be inciting hatred or is unfair or inaccurate, then stand up and question them specifically.

bush_cheney2004 · June 20, 2014

I would suggest that it is never justified or warranted to inflame or incite hatred against any nation. To paint everyone in a society with the same brush is unfair and inaccurate.

Perhaps, but the irony is that his "hate speech" is protected in the United States, but not so much in Canada. Good thing this forum is hosted in Texas, USA.

guyser · June 20, 2014

Perhaps, but the irony is that his "hate speech" is protected in the United States, but not so much in Canada.

Aint no irony here....cuz no hate speech was made,but then again, dont let that victimhood syndrome get in the way of hilarious posts.

-TSS- · June 20, 2014

It's been said that Americans don't value human life the way many other third world countries are known to do. A couple of examples quoted here:

Americans kill their own people with lethal injections.

Americans use lethal injections to kill that don't even work sometimes.

Americans don't believe in their people having universal health care.

Americans applaud their government for killing people in foreign lands for oil.

Americans have given up more humanitarian methods of killing people such as machetes, in favour of Weapons of Mass Destruction. (the biggest and best in the world!)

Americans kill their own people with their own guns in numbers that far eclipse other *countries.

*countries which should be compared. (debateble)

In fairness to Americans, they don't believe in killing a fetus and they don't believe in 'spilling the seed' because god is watching and considers it as self-abuse. Notwithstanding that they allow their infant mortality rate to remain the highest in the **world.

**countries that should be compared. (debatable)

So let's debate!

Why do you post this drivel on a Canadian forum?

Big Guy · June 21, 2014

It wasn't I that painted everyone with the same brush, it was your new friend. He continually made reference to 'painting all Americans' with the same brush and I corrected him several times for doing it.

If you want to make accusations, make sure they are valid ones.

p.s. How many times have you heard the incitement of hatred for Iraq, Iran, N.Korea, Palestine or Palestinians, and others by people on this forum? How many times have you questioned that kind of behaviour?

When I make accusations against the US which appear to you to be inciting hatred or is unfair or inaccurate, then stand up and question them specifically.

I was referring to your post; "My goal is to expose the fact that the US needs to be exposed and my goal is to inflame and incite hatred against the US when it is justified and warranted to do so. I make no unfair or untrue charges. .."

You then responded with; "When I make accusations against the US which appear to you to be inciting hatred or is unfair or inaccurate, then stand up and question them specifically."

I am now standing up and questioning the statement of yours; "My goal is to expose the fact that the US needs to be exposed and my goal is to inflame and incite hatred against the US when it is justified and warranted to do so. I make no unfair or untrue charges. .."

I am not accusing you of inflaming and inciting hatred against the US. I am stating that you stated "... my goal is to inflame and incite hatred against the US when it is justified and warranted to do so. I make no unfair or untrue charges. .."

Where am I mistaken in what you posted?

WestCoastRunner · June 21, 2014

The poster has said that his purpose is to incite hatred blah blah blah. so why is this thread still on here. I was astonished to see it still here. It is troubling for me and maybe others to post to a forum that allows this thread. Perhaps the folks in charge here can explain why this thread still remains, because, quite frankly, I am disturbed by allowing this hatred to persist. I don't feel comfortable contributing to a site that allows this. Can we have some feedback on this thread and why it is allowed to remain?

monty16 · June 21, 2014

I was referring to your post; "My goal is to expose the fact that the US needs to be exposed and my goal is to inflame and incite hatred against the US when it is justified and warranted to do so. I make no unfair or untrue charges. .."

You then responded with; "When I make accusations against the US which appear to you to be inciting hatred or is unfair or inaccurate, then stand up and question them specifically."

I am now standing up and questioning the statement of yours; "My goal is to expose the fact that the US needs to be exposed and my goal is to inflame and incite hatred against the US when it is justified and warranted to do so. I make no unfair or untrue charges. .."

I am not accusing you of inflaming and inciting hatred against the US. I am stating that you stated "... my goal is to inflame and incite hatred against the US when it is justified and warranted to do so. I make no unfair or untrue charges. .."

Where am I mistaken in what you posted?

What's your point? What I do is always justified and warranted. If you find an example of where it's not then mention it specifically.

And that's exactly what I said in not so many words.

Now I'll ask you, what are you questioning in what I said that isn't true?

Let me try to clear this confusion up for you: My goal is to expose the fact that the US needs to be exposed and my goal is to inflame and incite hatred against the US when it is justified and warranted to do so.

So for the third time, what is it specifically to which you are taking offense?

monty16 · June 21, 2014

The poster has said that his purpose is to incite hatred blah blah blah. so why is this thread still on here. I was astonished to see it still here. It is troubling for me and maybe others to post to a forum that allows this thread. Perhaps the folks in charge here can explain why this thread still remains, because, quite frankly, I am disturbed by allowing this hatred to persist. I don't feel comfortable contributing to a site that allows this. Can we have some feedback on this thread and why it is allowed to remain?

It's you that's out of line and insulting when there's no real need for it. I'll never make any apologies for being direct and honest about the US and it's crimes against humanity. Nor will I ever stop criticizing the US when the criticism is JUSTIFIED AND WARRANTED!

Not for any insulting creeps or for any authority who proposes to protect their reputations. To do so would lower me to your level of US apologist for murder.

Edited June 21, 2014 by monty16

monty16 · June 21, 2014

The poster has said that his purpose is to incite hatred blah blah blah. so why is this thread still on here. I was astonished to see it still here. It is troubling for me and maybe others to post to a forum that allows this thread. Perhaps the folks in charge here can explain why this thread still remains, because, quite frankly, I am disturbed by allowing this hatred to persist. I don't feel comfortable contributing to a site that allows this. Can we have some feedback on this thread and why it is allowed to remain?

Read my previous post and see if you can understand what I said. I'm not expecting that you will, or at least be able to admit that you understand.

WestCoastRunner · June 21, 2014

Read my previous post and see if you can understand what I said. I'm not expecting that you will, or at least be able to admit that you understand.

I only see hatred monty and I just don't get how your thread filled with hatred is allowed to remain on this forum. It is truly distrubing that it wasn't removed. I would like to know why it wasn't removed. Is there any valid reason for this thread to remain?

monty16 · June 21, 2014

I only see hatred monty and I just don't get how your thread filled with hatred is allowed to remain on this forum. It is truly distrubing that it wasn't removed. I would like to know why it wasn't removed. Is there any valid reason for this thread to remain?

I see you as a US propagandized lemming who lacks the intelligence or decency to deal with my challenge. Wanna play more insulting games or do you want to show us what you're made of? Unless you're completely brain dead then you'll know by now what the challenge is.

And once again, for you. Hatred of evil is my position. Because: It's j-----ied and war------d.

Comprehende?

Does your interest extend to children in Iraq or Vietnam or Cambodia or other countries where the US has slaughtered them from 30,000'?

WestCoastRunner · June 21, 2014

I see you as a US propagandized lemming who lacks the intelligence or decency to deal with my challenge. Wanna play more insulting games or do you want to show us what you're made of? Unless you're completely brain dead then you'll know by now what the challenge is.

And once again, for you. Hatred of evil is my position. Because: It's j-----ied and war------d.

Comprehende?

Does your interest extend to children in Iraq or Vietnam or Cambodia or other countries where the US has slaughtered them from 30,000'?

What is truly horrific, is that we allow Monty to stay alive with this bs thread and to further inflame this hatred