Pro Life? Then Don't Run Under Liberal Banner

[monty16]

When Pierre Trudeau was PM, thousands of Canadian women would seek abortions in the U.S. each year. That would continue well into the late 1980's and early 1990's. The Trudeau legacy for free and easy access to abortions is not so great after all.

...and they keep on coming to the U.S. from Canada, where some abortion services are not available at all in province.

Like I said, that boat has sailed. Which also begs the question, what method do most Americans choose for their women's abortions? A rusty spoon or a coathanger.

[bush_cheney2004]

Like I said, that boat has sailed. Which also begs the question, what method do most Americans choose for their women's abortions? A rusty spoon or a coathanger.

They use the same modern clinics as the Canadians waiting in line for services that are not available or take too long in Canada.

[bush_cheney2004]

Liberal Party support for abortions hasn't won over a majority of Canadians when it comes to paying for them:

Do taxpayers want to pay for abortions?

The opinions of Canadians toward the use of public funds for abortion have not changed much over the last several years. Only 30% of Canadians indicate that abortion should always be financed using a health-funded tax system.

Just over half of Canadians (54%) think abortion should be financed through taxes but only in case of medical emergencies, such as a threat to the mother’s life or in the case of rape or incest and 13% think that paying for abortions should be the individual’s responsibility. 64% of Canadians polled, therefore, do not support tax-funding of all abortions.

Note: The 2011 poll from which this data is derived, along with polls from previous years, can be viewed on the LifeCanada website (www.lifecanada.org) on their National Polls page at http://www.lifecanada.org/services/national-polls.

[monty16]

What's your point? Until you come up with one then just count me out of a conversation with you.

[guyser]

They use the same modern clinics as the Canadians waiting in line for services that are not available or take too long in Canada.

Oh yea, didnt we prove to you that in most cases these were outliers?

Or was it the extremely ....as in miniscule...low percentage of people, registering below one half of one percent who sought treatment south?

Not to mention the thousand fold more Americans who source surgery and med visits outside of the US ? And of course the large number of phony or fraudulent OHIP cards found in border states w Ontario?

[bush_cheney2004]

Like his father, maybe Trudeau is an advocate for Canadian women continuing to get abortion services in the U.S.

Since 1971, the total number of abortions performed on Canadian women in the U.S. is recorded as 66,971, with an average of 2,029 per year.

http://abortionincanada.ca/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Total_abortions_US_1970-2003.pdf

Edited May 26, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[BC_chick]

They use the same modern clinics as the Canadians waiting in line for services that are not available or take too long in Canada.

What are you talking about? There are abortion clinics all over canada that don't have a waiting period.

[On Guard for Thee]

Gee, that would explain why Canadians who can't get abortions in Canada have traveled to the U.S. to get them for many years.

You must be having some form of "old memory" there has been no law on abortion in Canada for over 25 years. Certain areas of certain provinces might make it more convenient to head south but it isn't because of "can't" get one.

[bush_cheney2004]

What are you talking about? There are abortion clinics all over canada that don't have a waiting period.

Then why do Canadians still seek "reproductive services" in the United States ? Maybe this is what Trudeau means, as no law in Canada can stop abortion travel to the U.S.

[overthere]

Then why do Canadians still seek "reproductive services" in the United States ?

You're confused, going to Detroit or Blaine for a rub and tug is not a 'reproductive service'.

[overthere]

They use the same modern clinics as the Canadians waiting in line for services that are not available or take too long in Canada.

Dude give it up. You're simply wrong.

[bush_cheney2004]

Dude give it up. You're simply wrong.

Is it your position that Canadians do not seek abortion services in the United States, as they have done for many decades ?

[BC_chick]

Then why do Canadians still seek "reproductive services" in the United States ? Maybe this is what Trudeau means, as no law in Canada can stop abortion travel to the U.S.

Since 2004 there have been no such stats so I have no idea how you'd know.

Canada only fully legalized abortion in 1988 and the numbers quickly dropped.

http://abortionincanada.ca/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Total_abortions_US_1988-2003.pdf

My only guess why 100 or so women were going to the US in the early 2000's is because they were in border towns closer to a US city vs canadian one.

Again, there are no waiting periods in canada for an abortion. There are a handful of clinics in vancouver alone that perform them within a week or so.

[Black Dog]

But the woman has no such responsibilty. How do you even pretend women want equality while still exempting yourself from the most basic of duties? A woman can abort the fetus if she feels it will be an impediment to her career or to her partying, or simply inconvenient. Or, if she has it, she can give it away, wipe her hands, and then go on doing whatever she wants to do. A man has no choice whatsoever. He's commited for 18 years, with no way of absolving himself of responsibility.

Yeah, if only women could understand what it's like to have their life choices dictated by their gender.

[bush_cheney2004]

Since 2004 there have been no such stats so I have no idea how you'd know....

Again, there are no waiting periods in canada for an abortion. There are a handful of clinics in vancouver alone that perform them within a week or so.

Because they show up in our clinics. Maybe part of a cross border shopping trip ? Let's see....I want to get some new shoes, those to-die-for jeans, big screen TV, cheaper gas, and an abortion !

The challenges faced by women seeking abortions in certain parts of Canada are well documented.

I have no answer for Canada's slow response to "abortion rights" access through the early 1990's. No wonder they had to go to the "backwards" United States.

Edited May 26, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[jacee]

But the woman has no such responsibilty. How do you even pretend women want equality while still exempting yourself from the most basic of duties? A woman can abort the fetus if she feels it will be an impediment to her career or to her partying, or simply inconvenient. Or, if she has it, she can give it away, wipe her hands, and then go on doing whatever she wants to do. A man has no choice whatsoever. He's commited for 18 years, with no way of absolving himself of responsibility.

Guess he should have wrapped it up if he didn't want to face the possible consequences of his own actions.

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Edited May 26, 2014 by jacee

[BC_chick]

Because they show up in our clinics. Maybe part of a cross border shopping trip ? Let's see....I want to get some new shoes, those to-die-for jeans, big screen TV, cheaper gas, and an abortion !

The challenges faced by women seeking abortions in certain parts of Canada are well documented.

I have no answer for Canada's slow response to "abortion rights" access through the early 1990's. No wonder they had to go to the "backwards" United States.

This is 2014 not the nineties. You have no argument give it up.

[guyser]

My only guess why 100 or so women were going to the US in the early 2000's is because they were in border towns closer to a US city vs canadian one.

Dont forget the image/embarassment factor. Some may take a trip not to be seen going into one of those clinics.

The one here was a target for journos and anti abortionists.

[bush_cheney2004]

This is 2014 not the nineties. You have no argument give it up.

Oh but I do....under Liberal governments did Canadian women have more or less access to abortion "services" in Canada ? Does Trudeau represent and invoke this legacy or not ? Did funding increase or decrease ?

You should know by now that I do not "give up". For all of the smug abortion rights insults hurled at the U.S. / religious right from Canada, it is always fun to demonstrate how so many Canadian women voted with their feet.

Edited May 26, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[guyser]

You should know by now that I do not "give up".

Ok, keep embarassing yourself in ignorance.

Well done...golf clap...

Edited May 26, 2014 by Guyser2

[overthere]

Is it your position that Canadians do not seek abortion services in the United States, as they have done for many decades ?

Its nothing to get an abortion most provinces, though sometimes you have to travel as clinics or hospitals are not in every village. Kind of like the US. Unlike the US, it if free. As a US visitor, you'd have to pay. The details and your fee schedule are here:http://www.morgentaler.ca/

[guyser]

...and you can get travel costs from the Prov health folks should you live far away.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Guyser2

[BC_chick]

Oh but I do....under Liberal governments did Canadian women have more or less access to abortion "services" in Canada ? Does Trudeau represent and invoke this legacy or not ? Did funding increase or decrease ?

You should know by now that I do not "give up". For all of the smug abortion rights insults hurled at the U.S. / religious right from Canada, it is always fun to demonstrate how so many Canadian women voted with their feet.

You said earlier than it's because of our waiting periods and subpar services. You're simply wrong. There are NO waiting periods and every major city has several available clinics.

Give it up.

Edited May 26, 2014 by BC_chick

[overthere]

Dont forget the image/embarassment factor. Some may take a trip not to be seen going into one of those clinics.

The one here was a target for journos and anti abortionists.

For a while, there was a fuss over Canadian women from certain ethnic groups going to the US for a gender determining ultrasound, then possibly an abortion. Dunno what came of that, the furor died down.

[bush_cheney2004]

Its nothing to get an abortion most provinces, though sometimes you have to travel as clinics or hospitals are not in every village. Kind of like the US. Unlike the US, it if free. As a US visitor, you'd have to pay. The details and your fee schedule are here:http://www.morgentaler.ca/

OK...you obviously wish to ignore or deny the documented cases of Canadians seeking and receiving abortions in the USA over the past 40 years. Maybe Trudeau can do away with the gestational limits, lack of doctors, longer travel, etc. We'll leave the light on for those who don't want to wait in Canada.