The Purity of Aboriginal Blood? Who cares?

Bryan · April 28, 2014

When white people are even remotely as disadvantaged as others in our society then you can cry racism. Until then you look like an insensitive idiot that dismisses the very real experiences of racism that people of colour face when you try to say white people are also facing racism. White racism never disadvantages white people. They are born with every advantage our society offers. Claiming that you face racism is utterly and completely wrong. You don't even know what racism is, if you think there's such a thing as white racism in North America.

Someone else's experiences are of no value simply because of the color of their skin? That is a very racist attitude.

-1=e^ipi · April 28, 2014

Claiming that you face racism is utterly and completely wrong. You don't even know what racism is, if you think there's such a thing as white racism in North America.

There is racism against every 'race' in North America.

Someone else's experiences are of no value simply because of the color of their skin? That is a very racist attitude.

Indeed. Cybercoma's post is littered with racist claims.

eyeball · April 28, 2014

He/she must have a very warped mind.

Captain Fallacy rides again.

Racism is clearly a fallacy; an agumentum in genere.

Argus · April 28, 2014

Sorry, but racism is meaningless when you don't consider power relationships. That's why white middle-class men that try to play the victim card look like idiots.

So if a bunch of black guys beat up a white guy because they hate white people that's somehow excused by slavery and years of oppression?

Argus · April 28, 2014

If racism is not about power, then what is it about? Seriously. You guys can't be this unknowledgeable. Without power, racism has no effect. The entire point of racism is power relationships. Even the most basic understanding of it takes that into account.

The racism demonstrated by and between Blacks and Asians doesn't count?

Wilber · April 28, 2014

Sorry, but racism is meaningless when you don't consider power relationships. That's why white middle-class men that try to play the victim card look like idiots.

Wow, so it's impossible for a middle class white guy to be a victim of racism. That's a relief. After 3 yrs working in Japan, I also know it is BS.

cybercoma · April 28, 2014

So if a bunch of black guys beat up a white guy because they hate white people that's somehow excused by slavery and years of oppression?

So if I make up completely idiotic strawmen too, does that mean you'll take them seriously?

cybercoma · April 28, 2014

Wow, so it's impossible for a middle class white guy to be a victim of racism. That's a relief. After 3 yrs working in Japan, I also know it is BS.

That's amazing. Did you not see the part where I actually brought up Japan? I said racism is about power. Do white middle class men have power over Japanese men in Japan?

Michael Hardner · April 28, 2014

Sorry, but racism is meaningless when you don't consider power relationships. That's why white middle-class men that try to play the victim card look like idiots.

That's pretty astute, but I don't think meaningless quite captures it. Racism is an error in thinking, rude, a mistake, or however you want to describe it... that can create huge injustices and atrocities when multiplied by power and wealth.

Smallc · April 28, 2014

That's pretty astute, but I don't think meaningless quite captures it. Racism is an error in thinking, rude, a mistake, or however you want to describe it... that can create huge injustices and atrocities when multiplied by power and wealth.

Yes I think that much better captures the essence.

bush_cheney2004 · April 28, 2014

That's pretty astute, but I don't think meaningless quite captures it. Racism is an error in thinking, rude, a mistake, or however you want to describe it... that can create huge injustices and atrocities when multiplied by power and wealth.

Not always, as it includes purposeful institutional racism (often by government) that takes the form of set asides and affirmative action preferences. More racism is not a cure for racism.

Wilber · April 28, 2014

That's amazing. Did you not see the part where I actually brought up Japan? I said racism is about power. Do white middle class men have power over Japanese men in Japan?

No but a middle class white person can easily experience racism in Richmond BC.

Argus · April 28, 2014

So if I make up completely idiotic strawmen too, does that mean you'll take them seriously?

How is that a strawman, much less idiotic? It happens fairly frequently.

-1=e^ipi · April 28, 2014

That's amazing. Did you not see the part where I actually brought up Japan? I said racism is about power. Do white middle class men have power over Japanese men in Japan?

It's not about power. It is about belief/bigotry and discrimination.

April 29, 2014

That's amazing. Did you not see the part where I actually brought up Japan? I said racism is about power. Do white middle class men have power over Japanese men in Japan?

So if a couple of white middle class men beat up a Japanese man in Tokyo because they don't like the Japanese, it's not racism?

But if he comes to Edmonton, and those same men beat him up again for the same reason, it is?

WestCoastRunner · April 29, 2014

This has turned into a ridiculous debate with silly hypothetical scenarios. The thread is about a native woman who has decided to choose a native man to father her children.

April 29, 2014

This has turned into a ridiculous debate with silly hypothetical scenarios. The thread is about a native woman who has decided to choose a native man to father her children.

So if she beat up the Japanese guy in Edmonton, but did it because he didn't like natives, would it still be racism?

WestCoastRunner · April 29, 2014

So if she beat up the Japanese guy in Edmonton, but did it because he didn't like natives, would it still be racism?

How does this possibly have anything to do with the title of this thread.

April 29, 2014

Well, you got me there...

cybercoma · April 29, 2014

How does this possibly have anything to do with the title of this thread.

Because white men get bent out of shape when something is out of reach to them, like an aboriginal woman choosing to marry an aboriginal man. It hurts their pride to think that there's something in society that is off limits to them when all their lives they've been taught that they can have anything they want. So in response they make up stupid scenarios that make them feel like there is some sort of white equivalent to the racism and injustices faced by aboriginal peoples in Canada. Edited April 29, 2014 by cybercoma

April 29, 2014

Because white men get bent out of shape when something is out of reach to them, like an aboriginal woman choosing to marry an aboriginal man. It hurts their pride to think that there's something in society that is off limits to them when all their lives they've been taught that they can have anything they want. So in response they make up stupid scenarios that make them feel like there is some sort of white equivalent to the racism and injustices faced by aboriginal peoples in Canada.

You didn't answer me about the Japanese man.

Smallc · April 29, 2014

Because he doesn't have an actual answer. That's become abundantly clear.

Racism doesn't exist unless white people are doing it...and even if we aren't racist, we're still racist...even if we're marrying a native...someone we can't marry because they're off limits to us.

-1=e^ipi · April 29, 2014

Meanwhile, nearly every freaking job I apply to has some bullshit paragraphs in the job description stating things like:

"We value a diverse workforce and encourage everyone to apply. Especially people that a women, first nations, visible minorities, gay, and every other freaking group other than white heterosexual males. We won't say it explicitly, but we implicitly want white males to not apply because they be have the belief that they are all privileged based on their race and gender, regardless of their upbringing."

If someone wants to get a scholarship for university, like half are reserved for for women, visible minorities, etc.

Edited April 29, 2014 by -1=e^ipi

WestCoastRunner · April 29, 2014

Meanwhile, nearly every freaking job I apply to has some bullshit paragraphs in the job description stating things like:

"We value a diverse workforce and encourage everyone to apply. Especially people that a women, first nations, visible minorities, gay, and every other freaking group other than white heterosexual males. We won't say it explicitly, but we implicitly want white males to not apply because they be have the belief that they are all privileged based on their race and gender, regardless of their upbringing."

If someone wants to get a scholarship for university, like half are reserved for for women, visible minorities, etc.

Good grief. Start a new thread about this subject. It has nothing to do with this thread.

WestCoastRunner · April 29, 2014

Because white men get bent out of shape when something is out of reach to them, like an aboriginal woman choosing to marry an aboriginal man. It hurts their pride to think that there's something in society that is off limits to them when all their lives they've been taught that they can have anything they want. So in response they make up stupid scenarios that make them feel like there is some sort of white equivalent to the racism and injustices faced by aboriginal peoples in Canada.

Is there truth to this? It is an interesting response. I never thought of it this way. But it does raise questions in my mind.