Michael Hardner Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 Libel is illegal. I was sure you were wrong when I read that... but you aren't ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_defamation_law In a 2006 commentary comparing Canadian laws with US and Commonwealth laws at that time, the situation was described thus:“For all the lofty quotes about free speech in Canadian jurisprudence, the reality is that our libel laws are the least protective of free speech in the English-speaking world. Libel law developed in an ancient era which we would today consider backward, tyrannical and repressive. It is rooted in 16th and 17th century criminal statutes protecting nobility from criticism. Cases of political libel and eventually damages actions were handled by the infamous Star Chamber until its abolition in 1641. By the end of that century, many elements of the common law of libel we would recognize today had been established. In Law of Defamation in Canada, Professor Brown notes that the common law of defamation has been described by scholars and judges as "artificial and archaic" and characterized by "absurdities", "irrationality", and "minute and barren distinctions" (pp. 1–3). While social values and legal concepts have evolved dramatically of the past 200 years, the common law of libel in Canada remains startlingly unchanged.[10] Thank you very much for the correction. I was going to post for Charles to respond but he already has. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 Are you sure? The reason I ask is because I read something exactly about this earlier. Wasn't details about the Paul Bernardo case published in the states even with the publication ban? Or maybe that's different than libel laws. Still a fair question, as publication bans from Canada are not valid in the United States. For instance, the Gomery hearing publication ban was ignored by an American blogger, exposing all the dirt on the "Internet". Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Still a fair question, as publication bans from Canada are not valid in the United States. For instance, the Gomery hearing publication ban was ignored by an American blogger, exposing all the dirt on the "Internet". Right. So Canadian posters could pick up on that and re-quote. This is why I'm asking for clarification on Greg's non concern. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Argus Posted February 10, 2016 Author Report Posted February 10, 2016 What do you mean he's not concerned? what is he not concerned about? This. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 This.I will let the mods answer this. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
waldo Posted February 18, 2016 Report Posted February 18, 2016 I will let the mods answer this. as will I... let them answer this: if a posted reply is deemed by a moderator to be "off topic" and "thread jacking"... and the posted reply is subsequently hidden... how can the original post extract being replied to, be left standing (not hidden) and by implication be viewed by said moderator as "on topic" and "not thread jacking"? Is there a moderator willing to offer comment, something other than the likes of, "I'm at peace with the decision"... or... "are you forced to be here at MLW"? .
Bonam Posted February 18, 2016 Report Posted February 18, 2016 as will I... let them answer this: if a posted reply is deemed by a moderator to be "off topic" and "thread jacking"... and the posted reply is subsequently hidden... how can the original post extract being replied to, be left standing (not hidden) and by implication be viewed by said moderator as "on topic" and "not thread jacking"? What kind of question is this? A post can be on topic, and a reply to it can be off topic, obviously.
Guest Posted February 18, 2016 Report Posted February 18, 2016 I just saw that Doritos commercial that Shady mentioned in his status update. It was hilarious!
waldo Posted February 18, 2016 Report Posted February 18, 2016 What kind of question is this? A post can be on topic, and a reply to it can be off topic, obviously. since you asked, the kind of question is one that reflects upon a posted reply that specifically addresses the EXACT statements made in an original post... OBVIOUSLY! If one (the posted reply) is deemed by a moderator to be "off topic and thread jacking" and subsequently "hidden" by the moderator, why is the original post extract left to stand with the implication it is, accordingly, "on topic and not thread jacking"? but hey now! Perhaps this is an extension of the never provided definition of what trolling is on MLW... as in, the moderator directive to, "don't respond to troll posts... just ignore them". You know, that forever ready go-to, fall-back moderator "subjective" determination of what MLW trolling is - the one that remains an absolute mystery for MLW members to attempt to understand and recognize. but who knows... since board moderation appears to favour keeping the definition for trolling on MLW an uncertainty, a mystery... an ever elusive member interpretation of the vagaries of so-called moderator subjectivity! but back to the original question: "if a posted reply is deemed by a moderator to be "off topic" and "thread jacking"... and the posted reply is subsequently hidden... how can the original post extract being replied to, be left standing (not hidden) and by implication be viewed by said moderator as "on topic" and "not thread jacking"?" .
GostHacked Posted February 21, 2016 Report Posted February 21, 2016 It seems that some of my posts have been removed and I have not recieved a notification as to why. We can have trolls shit up the place, but when I call them out, my post gets removed. Lame.
poochy Posted February 21, 2016 Report Posted February 21, 2016 It seems that some of my posts have been removed and I have not recieved a notification as to why. We can have trolls shit up the place, but when I call them out, my post gets removed. Lame. ops nrml
Michael Hardner Posted February 21, 2016 Report Posted February 21, 2016 It seems that some of my posts have been removed and I have not recieved a notification as to why. We can have trolls shit up the place, but when I call them out, my post gets removed. Lame. You had a 2 week old post removed 2 days ago that said something like 'this is off topic', but the moderator felt it wasn't off-topic. It would presumably be obvious why a post that says one thing would be removed. The last post before that, that was removed, was posted in January and it was part of a cluster of posts on a thread disucssing whether something was thread drift. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2016 Report Posted February 21, 2016 So is any discussion of thread drift or a derail by members defined as thread drift and a derail ? Is this reserved for and only the purview of the moderator team ? Is even asking this question a capital offense ? Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted February 21, 2016 Report Posted February 21, 2016 So is any discussion of thread drift or a derail by members defined as thread drift and a derail ? Is this reserved for and only the purview of the moderator team ? Is even asking this question a capital offense ? No. In the previous post, there's reference to a thread where you posted on the off-topicness of a post. That's appropriate sometimes too. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2016 Report Posted February 21, 2016 So let's review.... 1. Suggesting that a post is off topic when a mod doesn't concur is not allowed...post will be removed. 2. Suggesting that a post is off topic when a mod might/does concur is permitted...post will stand. 3. Discussing the very criteria for thread drift or derails is in and of itself a thread drift and derail unless posted in this very specific moderation thread. 4. Member discussion about thread drift and derails may be perceived as usurping moderator function and posts may be removed. Do I have all that right....or is this a derail too ? Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted February 21, 2016 Report Posted February 21, 2016 ... Do I have all that right....or is this a derail too ? If I was that upset I would stop posting. That would really show them!! Try that and see what happens. - Please. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Michael Hardner Posted February 21, 2016 Report Posted February 21, 2016 Do I have all that right....or is this a derail too ? No, it's not "all right." Really, you should just focus on posting rather than forensic parsing of moderator decisions. We never claim to be perfect or 100% consistent, so it's a mistake to hold us to that standard. For the most part, everybody's job here is pretty obvious. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2016 Report Posted February 21, 2016 No, it's not "all right." Really, you should just focus on posting rather than forensic parsing of moderator decisions. We never claim to be perfect or 100% consistent, so it's a mistake to hold us to that standard. For the most part, everybody's job here is pretty obvious. I do focus on posting...check my post count. Several members have also expressed an interest in this topic, so it is fair game. This is just classic "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" stuff...sorry for the American reference. Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted February 21, 2016 Report Posted February 21, 2016 Nobody said it wasn't fair game. Go ahead and pay attention to what's behind the curtain, it's open. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Charles Anthony Posted February 22, 2016 Report Posted February 22, 2016 So is any discussion of thread drift or a derail by members defined as thread drift and a derail ?No. They belong on the "Things that should be reported and ignored. Things that should not be posted." bench. Is this reserved for and only the purview of the moderator team ?Yes. Is even asking this question a capital offense ?No. So let's review.... 1. Suggesting that a post is off topic when a mod doesn't concur is not allowed...post will be removed. CORRECTION: Posting "This is thread drift." is not allowed --- regardless of whether the mods concurr or not. We demand that members report such claims and or their perceived-requests for moderator intervention. In the event that they are wrong, such posts add clutter. In the event that they are right, such posts do NO GOOD but can only provoke a reply which will defacto be more off-topic clutter. We are not going to foster a lose-lose etiquette. Do I have all that right....or is this a derail too ?You ask too many questions. How about you answer mine: Do you disagree with our approach? Would you moderate differently?? In the event that you disagree, I would be interested in a challenging reason why. As of yet, I have not encountered any interesting objection from anybody. This is just classic "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" stuff...sorry for the American reference.We do better with our Canadian touch....I am not sorry you bumped into us. I learn a lot from everybody's posts. This is classic "The gift that keeps on giving!" or better yet, call it rocket science...sorry for the Global reference. --- I suspect folks need the following clue spelled out: If 100% of a post is SOMETHING THAT SHOULD OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO A MODERATOR AND IGNORED, then we tend to delete it. If 1% of a post is SOMETHING THAT SHOULD OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO A MODERATOR AND IGNORED while the other 99% of the same post is on-topic furthering the discussion, we tend to leave it. Add those to your flow charts. We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Posted February 22, 2016 ....You ask too many questions. How about you answer mine: Do you disagree with our approach? Would you moderate differently?? Nope...it's just inconsistent and unpredictable. However, this adds to the entertainment value of the forum for me. It's like AMD trying to reverse engineer Intel's processors without violating the patent...for my flow chart. Keep up the good work. Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted February 22, 2016 Report Posted February 22, 2016 ... Add those to your flow charts. I congratulate you on your patience. I would not take the time and trouble to go to the extreme lengths of explaining your actions. Perhaps when some folks have been on here too long then they begin to feel entitled to being consulted. I am not. They are not. Again, congratulations on your patience. I would have just told him/them to buzz off! Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WestCoastRunner Posted February 22, 2016 Report Posted February 22, 2016 I congratulate you on your patience. I would not take the time and trouble to go to the extreme lengths of explaining your actions. Perhaps when some folks have been on here too long then they begin to feel entitled to being consulted. I am not. They are not. Again, congratulations on your patience. I would have just told him/them to buzz off! That's bs. Every member here deserves the respect and thoughtful response to each and every post. Some of my posts in this thread have been treated with ridicule and disdain. Do not think the moderators are perfect. They are not. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Big Guy Posted February 22, 2016 Report Posted February 22, 2016 That's bs. Every member here deserves the respect and thoughtful response to each and every post. Some of my posts in this thread have been treated with ridicule and disdain. Do not think the moderators are perfect. They are not. Everyone here participates at the pleasure of the owners of this site. I suggest that we remember that fact. From what I have seen, "respect and thoughtful response to each and every post" is absent from most posts. I have no idea why those who do not show others respect and thoughtful response expect themselves to be treated differently. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WestCoastRunner Posted February 22, 2016 Report Posted February 22, 2016 Everyone here participates at the pleasure of the owners of this site. I suggest that we remember that fact. From what I have seen, "respect and thoughtful response to each and every post" is absent from most posts. I have no idea why those who do not show others respect and thoughtful response expect themselves to be treated differently. i just commented on members blocking other members in the arts forumI'm not going to repeat them here. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
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