sharkman Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 I've heard there are a lot of angry teachers. But I'm glad to see them go back for the kids. The BC Liberals have lost a lot of support over their handling of this lock out. In 6 years the BCTF will get the funding required from an NDP government. Actually I've heard there is clause in the contract that allows for renegotiating class composition, so the court case in October is still in play. No doubt the government will bring us to the brink again if the ruling gives the BCTF another victory. Pct, I'm not sure why you feel that you are the final word on this very complicated deal, you seem extremely confident in your opinions, good for you. Except you already found an error that you made. I wonder how many more there are?
Pct2017 Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 Actually I've heard there is clause in the contract that allows for renegotiating class composition, so the court case in October is still in play. No doubt the government will bring us to the brink again if the ruling gives the BCTF another victory. Pct, I'm not sure why you feel that you are the final word on this very complicated deal, you seem extremely confident in your opinions, good for you. Except you already found an error that you made. I wonder how many more there are? Feel free to point out any.
socialist Posted September 20, 2014 Author Report Posted September 20, 2014 Now I hear BC teachers are going back to their under funded classrooms. I hope teachers refuse to pay out of pocket for supplies. Then parents will really know what is going on, in this effort by the government to privatize education. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Hal 9000 Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 Now I hear BC teachers are going back to their under funded classrooms. I hope teachers refuse to pay out of pocket for supplies. Then parents will really know what is going on, in this effort by the government to privatize education. You give me a list of teachers that can't afford some pencils and dry erase markers and I'll help you take up a collection for them. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
sharkman Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 You give me a list of teachers that can't afford some pencils and dry erase markers and I'll help you take up a collection for them. Help? Why don't you help by going down to Staples and buying some to take back to your local schools. I'll thank you here in this forum if you do.
socialist Posted September 27, 2014 Author Report Posted September 27, 2014 It's time for teachers to stop lying to parents. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/naomi-lazarus/bc-schools-funding-isubsidizebced_b_5870234.html?utm_hp_ref=tw Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted September 27, 2014 Author Report Posted September 27, 2014 Teaching is the only profession where you have to steal supplies from home and bring them to work due to chronic underfunding. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Hal 9000 Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 Teaching is the only profession where you have to steal supplies from home and bring them to work due to chronic underfunding. Really, I was thinking that teaching is perhaps the least costly profession as far as out of pocket expenses go, Personally, just to begin my job, a person has to spend 2-3K and follow that up with at least $1000-1500 per year (including gear, medicals and mandatory tests). The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Wilber Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 Really, I was thinking that teaching is perhaps the least costly profession as far as out of pocket expenses go, Personally, just to begin my job, a person has to spend 2-3K and follow that up with at least $1000-1500 per year (including gear, medicals and mandatory tests). Are they tax deductible? "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Hal 9000 Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) Are they tax deductible? Why yes they are, but you do know how a tax deduction works, I'm sure. Come to think of it - only some are. Edited September 28, 2014 by Hal 9000 The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Wilber Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 Why yes they are, but you do know how a tax deduction works, I'm sure. Come to think of it - only some are. Yes I know how they work. Thing is, your work expenses are required for you to do your job, not subsidize your employer or his customers. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Hal 9000 Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 Yes I know how they work. Thing is, your work expenses are required for you to do your job, not subsidize your employer or his customers. Not really, what I use is used only to do work for clients. Meaning, I buy stuff, take it to work, use it on a clients site, and leave it. Most of It probably should be paid for by someone else, but i'm not gonna run to the internet and whine about it. Some restaurats require people to buy their own uniforms, people pay for rain gear, steel toes, chain saws, suits, chefs supply their own knives,nurses buy scrubs...whatever. The fact is; nearly everybody has work expenses. This is where I really think the teachers are out of touch with the rest of society. So, they go to a dollar store and buy some markers and posters (and that is what they do) - big deal! There is an income tax deduction for work expenses - for a reason. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Wilber Posted October 3, 2014 Report Posted October 3, 2014 Not really, what I use is used only to do work for clients. Meaning, I buy stuff, take it to work, use it on a clients site, and leave it. Most of It probably should be paid for by someone else, but i'm not gonna run to the internet and whine about it. Some restaurats require people to buy their own uniforms, people pay for rain gear, steel toes, chain saws, suits, chefs supply their own knives,nurses buy scrubs...whatever. The fact is; nearly everybody has work expenses. This is where I really think the teachers are out of touch with the rest of society. So, they go to a dollar store and buy some markers and posters (and that is what they do) - big deal! There is an income tax deduction for work expenses - for a reason. All those work expenses you quote are to allow someone to physically do their job, not subsidize the customer. Chefs do not provide the food or contractors supply building materials gratis to their customers. Pilots may have to pay for their own uniforms but they are not expected to buy the airline's fuel as well. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
overthere Posted October 3, 2014 Report Posted October 3, 2014 My wife buys dollar store crap constantly for her class, some of which is reimbursed by the school or PAC. Her out of pocket expenses for the year might come to 00.25% of her income, and they are far less than anybody who works with tools would pay. She does not need any special clothing or safety gear. Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Wilber Posted October 3, 2014 Report Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) My wife buys dollar store crap constantly for her class, some of which is reimbursed by the school or PAC. Her out of pocket expenses for the year might come to 00.25% of her income, and they are far less than anybody who works with tools would pay. She does not need any special clothing or safety gear. If that's the case, it doesn't amount to very much. I know about the tool deal, Before I flew them for a living, I fixed them. The company only supplied special tools that were needed for specific jobs. All the other hand tools were on me. On the other hand, the tools are yours and something you will use for most of your life, not just for your job. I have a bigger tool box now than over 30 years ago when I was wrenching for a living. Edited October 3, 2014 by Wilber "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
sharkman Posted October 26, 2014 Report Posted October 26, 2014 That's actually a school district goal, keeping the numbers up so as to keep the budget from decreasing. They are allocated funds based on a per student number. As to the previous discussion, my wife buys supplies as well. Personally, I don't think items that are used up can be equated to tools. Pencils, erasers, note books and the like are something that students should bring themselves. She sells them after getting them for next to nothing at Staples, and donates the money.
socialist Posted October 27, 2014 Author Report Posted October 27, 2014 That's actually a school district goal, keeping the numbers up so as to keep the budget from decreasing. They are allocated funds based on a per student number. As to the previous discussion, my wife buys supplies as well. Personally, I don't think items that are used up can be equated to tools. Pencils, erasers, note books and the like are something that students should bring themselves. She sells them after getting them for next to nothing at Staples, and donates the money. This is an excellent example of teachers putting the needs of students first. Kudos to your wife, sharkman. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Hal 9000 Posted October 27, 2014 Report Posted October 27, 2014 This is an excellent example of teachers putting the needs of students first. Kudos to your wife, sharkman. Yes, Kudos indeed. And also thank her for striking to accomplish absolutely nothing except her own raise. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
sharkman Posted October 27, 2014 Report Posted October 27, 2014 Well it sounds like someone is a little bitter! Man up, Hal, life is too short to whine.
socialist Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Posted March 4, 2015 It sounds like things are getting heated in BC, and once again it is the province's educators and unions leading the charge to expose the nonsense. The BC government is not properly funding BC education and people are getting fed up. http://www.tricitynews.com/opinion/294869031.html http://www.thenownewspaper.com/baldrey-whether-it-s-classrooms-or-ferries-stinginess-is-not-going-away-soon-1.1779740#sthash.ZfUGmwlZ.uxfs The neo-liberal attack on unions won't end well. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Ash74 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Posted March 4, 2015 Not looking for our usual banter but you have claimed to be in Ontario teaching yet you are always talking about the BC Liberals. The Ontario Liberals are starting their attack with strikes at two of Ontario's largest universities but you are one of the first to defend them. “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
socialist Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Posted March 4, 2015 Not looking for our usual banter but you have claimed to be in Ontario teaching yet you are always talking about the BC Liberals. The Ontario Liberals are starting their attack with strikes at two of Ontario's largest universities but you are one of the first to defend them. I'm an advocate for public education in all Canadian provinces. I keep up to date with what is happening everywhere. Right now, educators in BC are having a tough time because the government is under funding education. Wynne will not make the same mistake in Ontario. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Ash74 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Posted March 4, 2015 I'm an advocate for public education in all Canadian provinces. I keep up to date with what is happening everywhere. Right now, educators in BC are having a tough time because the government is under funding education. Wynne will not make the same mistake in Ontario. So...........did you see the part about the striking teachers asstistants and support workers? “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
socialist Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Posted March 5, 2015 So...........did you see the part about the striking teachers asstistants and support workers? You're off topic, ash, again. The BC government is trying to squeeze the life out of public education while giving more to private schools. The assault on public education by neo-liberals is not new, but it is definitely growing across North America. An assault on public education is essentially an assault on democracy. Can you even begin to realize that? Thankful to have become a free thinker.
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