eyeball Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 Not the same as a voucher, no. Maybe not according to a strict pedantic application of the the act but close enough. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Big Guy Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 If you're homeless, how can you prove you're a resident of the riding in question? Certainly all citizens should be allowed to vote but how can you be a "resident" of anywhere when you are homeless? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Smallc Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 Maybe not according to a strict pedantic application of the the act but close enough. It's not even close to the same thing. Quote
Boges Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 Certainly all citizens should be allowed to vote but how can you be a "resident" of anywhere when you are homeless? Which is the question, how can you prove you're a citizen. I'm not exactly comfortable with someone being able to vouch for that. I had to bring a cable bill the first time I voted. Quote
eyeball Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 It's not even close to the same thing. Have you never redeemed or seen a piece of paper in your life that had the word voucher on it? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 Which is the question, how can you prove you're a citizen. I'm not exactly comfortable with someone being able to vouch for that. I had to bring a cable bill the first time I voted. And that piece of paper did what for you? synonyms: attest to, confirm, affirm, verify, swear to, testify to, bear out, back up,support, stick up for, go to bat for, corroborate, substantiate, prove,uphold, sponsor, give credence to, endorse, certify, warrant,validate More How about vouch? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Smallc Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 Have you never redeemed or seen a piece of paper in your life that had the word voucher on it? Do you have an actual point that you're trying to make? Quote
eyeball Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 Yes, I'm just underscoring how lame the changes to the election act are. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Smallc Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 An organization stating that you're who you say you are, and that you actually live where you say you do is quite different from just some other person doing it. The changes aren't nearly so lame as you seem to suggest. Quote
eyeball Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 The spir An organization stating that you're who you say you are, and that you actually live where you say you do is quite different from just some other person doing it. They certainly are under this new regime. The changes aren't nearly so lame as you seem to suggest. Quite a lot of expert opinion suggests they are. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Bob Macadoo Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 An organization stating that you're who you say you are, and that you actually live where you say you do is quite different from just some other person doing it. The changes aren't nearly so lame as you seem to suggest. I was with you until you said Rogers/Bell were trustworthy..... Quote
eyeball Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 I was with you until you said Rogers/Bell were trustworthy..... I was just going to point out BC Hydro... Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 What the changes this act really attacks is the ability of ordinary Canadians to go bat for one another. The people proposing these changes say ordinary Canadians can't be trusted to do that anymore. That's a little rich coming from some of the least trusted people in the known universe. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Bob Macadoo Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 What I also like about this is the claim of "irregularities" being sooooo bad. Irregularities meaning f-ups by DROs that are not being noticed by scrutineers. How about a useful selection and training process for the individuals. I'm sorry but having nothing to do but knit at the home should not be the selection criteria for our democracy. It should be like jury duty. Broad selection, with complete instruction. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 It's not even close to the same thing. The Soup Kitchen or Shelter is vouching for them. It's exactly the same thing. The only difference is that you think it's an "organization" doing it, when at the end of the day a person there is vouching for you by signing the paperwork. That person is not required by law to vouch for you either, so some random individual that runs a Soup Kitchen, Shelter, or Retirement Home has the power to deny people the right to vote. In lieu of any evidence of voter fraud, should we not be doing all we can to avoid situations that make it easy to disenfranchise voters? Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 The Soup Kitchen or Shelter is vouching for them. It's exactly the same thing. The only difference is that you think it's an "organization" doing it, when at the end of the day a person there is vouching for you by signing the paperwork. That person is not required by law to vouch for you either, so some random individual that runs a Soup Kitchen, Shelter, or Retirement Home has the power to deny people the right to vote. In lieu of any evidence of voter fraud, should we not be doing all we can to avoid situations that make it easy to disenfranchise voters? Interesting. So you're saying an individual who works at the soup kitchen can vouch for the voter even though they don't have to show they are a resident, or a citizen for that matter........sounds like fraud to me.......better shut down soup kitchens during elections just to be safe you know. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 Interesting. So you're saying an individual who works at the soup kitchen can vouch for the voter even though they don't have to show they are a resident, or a citizen for that matter........sounds like fraud to me.......better shut down soup kitchens during elections just to be safe you know. Nothing seems to satisfy those that are simply anti-Conservative. At first, you're screaming that eliminating vouching is dis-enfranchising the homeless.....now that it's pointed out that there is a variation of vouching that is permitted to allow the homeless to vote, you're arguing against it. By definition, a homeless person does not have a residence so the closest thing they have is the area that they frequent. Soup Kitchens and Homeless Shelters can provide a reasonable assurance that "their" homeless people are regular customers. Again, we're simply trying to catch up with almost all other countries - without having National ID cards - and doing so in a very lenient manner. What the heck is wrong with some of you guys? Quote Back to Basics
Bryan Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 Nothing seems to satisfy those that are simply anti-Conservative. There are a few on this board who seldom argue based on actual policy. What they are actually opposed to is the colour blue, and the letter "C". Blue says or does it = bad, Red or Orange says or does it = good is as deep as the thought process gets. Quote
eyeball Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 Nothing seems to satisfy those that are simply anti-Conservative. Actually that would be those that are pro-democratic, it certainly looks like there's no shortage of conservatives who are also against this bill for the same reason anyone else is. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 There are a few on this board who seldom argue based on actual policy. What they are actually opposed to is the colour blue, and the letter "C". Then there are those who support or defend every single thing their Dear Leader does or says bar nothing. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Bob Macadoo Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Nothing seems to satisfy those that are simply anti-Conservative. At first, you're screaming that eliminating vouching ....... What the heck is wrong with some of you guys? My sarcasm button must've been on the fritz......I'm OK with a soup kitchen, just showing your logic deadend. Funny also now Europe is a model for some when a scroll down the topic page would suggest they think Europe can't legislate out of a paper bag. Hmmmm. Interesting. Edited April 10, 2014 by Bob Macadoo Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted April 10, 2014 Report Posted April 10, 2014 There are a few on this board who seldom argue based on actual policy. What they are actually opposed to is the colour blue, and the letter "C". Blue says or does it = bad, Red or Orange says or does it = good is as deep as the thought process gets. Can't speak for "some" on here but I argue logic and policy......colour is not really much of a debate topic. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 11, 2014 Report Posted April 11, 2014 Actually that would be those that are pro-democratic, it certainly looks like there's no shortage of conservatives who are also against this bill for the same reason anyone else is. And apparently there are a number of "blue" MP's who don't like it either, which is why Harper won't allow a free vote on the issue.. I had to answer the free vote question for Harper because he won't answer it himself, not that he hasn't had ample aooportunity.So much for democracy under the current Blue C's. Quote
Bryan Posted April 11, 2014 Report Posted April 11, 2014 Then there are those who support or defend every single thing their Dear Leader does or says bar nothing. I have not seen a single one of those on this site. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted April 11, 2014 Report Posted April 11, 2014 It may sound trite but Democracy is filled with "rights" and privileges that have been fought for - literally and socially. It seems we too easily forget that these rights and privileges are accompanied with responsibilities - either in fact or in spirit. It seems pretty darn logical that to vote, it's your responsibility to properly identify yourself. If you are in difficulty of quickly obtaining ID - but are serious about exercising your right to vote, it's your responsibility to use the many avenues - and the approximately 36-70 day campaign window to obtain what you need. Responsibility...... Quote Back to Basics
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