WestCoastRunner Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 Armyguy, I applaud the work you do with families of your comrades but maybe that is clouding your judgement of Kadr. Have you read his psychiatric reports, interviews with his lawyers and supporters? Or are you avoiding them so you don't have to question your judgement? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Remiel Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 "No one seemed to complain when we hung the leadership of the Nazis." Exactly. "Leadership" . How many of the Hitler Youth were left swinging from the rafters? Quote
Big Guy Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) This is what we are concerned with, that he has lived a bizare existence, and your wondering if he is going to be a productive member of society....He is a harden terrorist, what is it that you think he is going to do when he gets out...And what of the US Army Medic he has killed, what of his family, or the other Coalition forces that he may have killed with IED's or mines, what of them...instead you worried about the terrorist. I hope he remains in jail for a long time. I would like to see what data you have gathered that this individual who has been incarcerated for the last 12 years is a "harden terrorist"? If it took his parents 12 years (assuming they started when he was 3 years old) to "brainwash" him into being what you call a terrorist then would the last 12 years not have "brainwashed" him into being a good prisoner? I understand that it costs us about $70,000 a year to keep someone in jail. I worry not about the comfort of terrorists but a resolution to this convoluted finger pointing exercise. I suggest that if you do not believe it possible for him to be rehabilitated then the longer he stays in, the more it is costing us and the more dangerous he might be if/when released. As to the truth of what happens in war we have the examples of Semrau in Afghanistan and Matchee and Brown in Somalia. People do very strange things during combat - especially 15 year old youngsters. Edited January 30, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 The really sad part is that no one in authority has the courage to declare that this whole "excursion" or "expedition" into Afghanistan was a complete waste of blood and treasure. The $billions of Canadian dollars spent and the hundreds of Canadian lives lost have resulted in our forces finally departing from that Afghanistan hell hole with the current government in talks with the Taliban to form some kind of coalition government. Most informed observers predict an eventual takeover by the Taliban and then back to extremist Sharia law. This is reminiscent of those American helicopters taking off from the roof of the American consulate in Vietnam. We should never had gotten involved and we should never have increased our commitment there. Keeping Khadar in jail and continuing to use him as a political tennis ball serves only to remind us of our mistake. Let him out to disappear into the fog of history - the sooner the better. Time to put this whole sordid mess behind us. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jacee Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) No i was not, i was asked to go by our nation to do a job , that was to kill taliban and terrorists that were surpressing the people of Afghan , funney here is a canadian in a foreign land surpressing an entirely different culture and you want compasion....there are thousands like him over there waiting to control the people of Afghan, not even afghanis and we are weeping over a boy who's luck run out....actually he is lucky to be alive...as the desert is full of guys like Omar buried in shallow graves in a foreign land....ya i cry every nightfor those poor bastards....not really...i do live with my share of ghosts, but i do not regret any of my actions in Afghan. No i volunteered to go over, once there i was there for the duration, unless wounded or killed... You'll have to make up your mind which laws do you want to apply, how about all of them, he is Canadian, so lets start there, it is again'st the law to fight in another nations war, as a merc or free lance soldier, or a terrorist....and yet he was not charged by Canada....He was charged for the murder of a serving US soldier, asked there by the country of Afghanistan.....and yet here we are still weeping ovr a boy we say has suffered enough... You went voluntarily and were as free to leave as you claim Khadr was, even more so. He wasn't "offered" a chance to be a suicide bomber: He was threatened with it ... threatened with death if he didn't comply with his parents' wishes. If he did the crime, he's certainly done the time. You want Khadr to pay for all the bad things that happened to you and your buds? Is that fair? Is that justice? Edited January 30, 2014 by jacee Quote
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 Armyguy, I applaud the work you do with families of your comrades but maybe that is clouding your judgement of Kadr. Have you read his psychiatric reports, interviews with his lawyers and supporters? Or are you avoiding them so you don't have to question your judgement? It's not work, i made a promise to a dying man, i'd like to keep it as long as i can, the other man was there when i made it, a long time friend. Is it clouding my judgement perhaps it is, i never met Omar or his family, but i have met his dozens of his comrads and they are all the same, extremists who would do anything to anyone just for shits and giggles... I have read serveral psychiatric reports on Omar, one is a glowing picture of a young man who likes long walks on the beach, reading etc etc.... if i may ask, if the only way out of prison was to lie and tell them exactly what they wanted to hear would you....remember he has been locked up for a long time. The other does not paint such a rosey picture...which one is it that we are to believe...it seems you have made your chioce and i have made mine.. As for his lawyers , thats what they are paid to do....it's part of their job. Supporters....it is a growing crowd, to say the least...but i don't think you'll find my name on that list anytime soon... As for my judgement, Omar was part of a group that wants total control over the people of Afghanistan, they want the power to choose who lives and who dies, they want it regardless of cost...and have spread terror across the nation to achieve it...He bought into this whole idea and in doing so he commited war crimes....I see him as the enemy,a traitor, canadian citizen of convience...someone who after his prison term is up should be turned over to the Afghan authorities... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 "No one seemed to complain when we hung the leadership of the Nazis." Exactly. "Leadership" . How many of the Hitler Youth were left swinging from the rafters? I was refering to the military court and it's legitimacy as a court of law. As as far as i know Omar was not left swinging form any rafters, in fact none of the taliban or terrorists got a death sentence. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 I would like to see what data you have gathered that this individual who has been incarcerated for the last 12 years is a "harden terrorist"? If it took his parents 12 years (assuming they started when he was 3 years old) to "brainwash" him into being what you call a terrorist then would the last 12 years not have "brainwashed" him into being a good prisoner? I understand that it costs us about $70,000 a year to keep someone in jail. I worry not about the comfort of terrorists but a resolution to this convoluted finger pointing exercise. I suggest that if you do not believe it possible for him to be rehabilitated then the longer he stays in, the more it is costing us and the more dangerous he might be if/when released. As to the truth of what happens in war we have the examples of Semrau in Afghanistan and Matchee and Brown in Somalia. People do very strange things during combat - especially 15 year old youngsters. Well lets use the data thats already out there, It has been argued that Convicts in our Canadian prisons, have nothing but time on their hands and learn how to be better at their craft, a sort of univerisity for criminals if you want. All you have to do is look at the numbers of criminals that have multi convictions return back 2 ,3,4 times over their life times...Omar was held in Gitmo for how long, surrounded by harden terrorists what exactly do you think he was learning...i bet it was not how to knit... This is not a finger pionting exericise, he is a war criminal, charged with murder...which in Canada carries a life sentence...tell me there has not been ANY minors placed behind bars charged with adult crimes. what gives him special status....I don't care how much it costs us, or if he becomes more dangerous ....the reason he is in there is he is being punished for his crimes, that is the whole purpose of our justice system. Yes they do, but just because they went to war does not excuse them for answering for their crimes....even 15 year olds.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 You went voluntarily and were as free to leave as you claim Khadr was, even more so. He wasn't "offered" a chance to be a suicide bomber: He was threatened with it ... threatened with death if he didn't comply with his parents' wishes. If he did the crime, he's certainly done the time. You want Khadr to pay for all the bad things that happened to you and your buds? Is that fair? Is that justice? Yes i went voluntarily, but once over there there was 3 ways to get back, complete the tour, in hand cuffs, or in a flag drapped coffin....but this is not about me, it is about a convicted terrorist, one that was given a sentence and his freedoms taken away. As i said before he was not threaten he was asked by his mother, he refused. and was then sent to the training camps. If you can prove other wise then please do so, provide a source. I've done a few things that i'm not proud of while over there, most of us did, but they were not war crimes. All i want is for Omar to do his time, his full time, is that fair i think so, is that justice i think so....Do i want him to pay for his actions yes i do...do i want him to pay for all the bad things that happened to me and my buddies, NO, but that does not mean i have to show compasion for him either. What compasion have we shown that US medic's family ? or the others that Omar may have played a role in killing ? Omar was not a scared kid taking up some cause and fighting for his country.....He was a Canadian citizen fighting in a foriegn country as a terroist again'st the Afghan people .....he was a active terrorist member... Part of the organization that roamed the country of afghanistan terrorizing Afghan people, the talibans hitmen, who killed thousands, anyone that stood up to the taliban... blowing up markets full of inocent people, stripping them of all their skin, staking them down in the hot sun to watch them bake...cutting of little girls hands for going to school, burning their faces with acid, exicuting their fathers and mothers for allowing them to go to school...raping and killing teachers, and many more sad tales....All real nice guys, the kind i want in my nieborhood, the kind i want walking around on my streets.... The intra net is full of crimes these bastards did in the name of their religion.....this is the face of AL Quada, not some story some lawyer is spouting to get his client off.... to make a name for himself, a story that has been polished to invoke pity, compasion, even tears...And you fell for the entire hook line and sinker.... This is the organiztion that Omar belong to....Omar listened to these men brag up thier exploits, omar read their new letters that described what they did and how they did it....he knew exactly what he was part of...and yet he did nothing to get out of it, he carried out his duties, making IED's planting mines, spying, etc etc....Again a Canadian citizen, who decided to bring pain and anguish to the Afghan people because his parent's wanted him to ....by helping those in charge rule by absolute terror and fear.... There is always two sides of a coin, we've heard the fluffed up one from his lawyers looking to make a huge name for themselfs by getting omar off..... But what about the Afghan side, the people who Omars actions effected daily...they get no mention, nither does those that Omar murdered.....thats right murdered....gets no mention.....only the fluffy side of poor Omar.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
cybercoma Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) I have read serveral psychiatric reports on Omar, one is a glowing picture of a young man who likes long walks on the beach, reading etc etc.... if i may ask, if the only way out of prison was to lie and tell them exactly what they wanted to hear would you....remember he has been locked up for a long time. Why even have a psychiatric evaluation then, since obviously it doesn't matter what he says or thinks according to you. He either fits your conception of him or he's a liar and that's all there is to it. Moreover, the rest of them are all the same by your own words. You give absolutely no consideration to the fact that under our laws he wouldn't even be treated as an adult for his crimes and there are many reasons for that. He couldn't even drive a car in our country yet, let alone vote, drink, or smoke. The organization he belonged to was disgusting and brutal, but they recruited a child and we are crucifying him for the entire group when he's as much their victim as anyone else. Edited January 30, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 Hey i was not running the show during Khadr hearings, why they had more than one shrienk eval him i do not know, what i do know was one gave a glowing report and one said he was a hardened terrorist unlikely to change his ways...why there was not a third eval done, i do not know.....did i cherry pick, perhaps which one did you pick and why? and was it the right one who knows....just because i did not pick your account does mean i'm wrong, but rather have a different opinion is that wrong ? does it make me a bad person...because that is what i'm getting out of your post. You give absolutely no consideration to the fact that under our laws he wouldn't even be treated as an adult for his crimes and there are many reasons for that. He couldn't even drive a car in our country yet, let alone vote, drink, or smoke. . That is not true, perhaps you should re read our laws concerning young offenders and get back to me.... The mandatory sentence for any adult (or youth sentenced as an adult) convicted of murder in Canada is a life sentence, with various time periods before a person may apply for parole.[5] The ability to apply for parole does not mean parole is granted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(Canadian_law) Yes it was a disgusting and brutal organization that he belonged to, he had first hand knowledge of how brutal it was, from his comrads bragging, to the published taliban news letters, to the media he knew exactly what they were all doing and yet he stayed, he himself carried out many tasks, including spying on NATO convoys, reporting on local Afghan people who had contact with NATO soldiers, who would be later disappeared ...he admitted to planting IED's, and mines....in fact one of his tasks he brags about is planting IED's that hit an american convoy....Yes there was NATO cas....There is a whole list of charges that he should have been charged with, instead the list was whittled down to just a few, one of the was murder, which he was convicted, sentenced and is now serving.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jacee Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) All i want is for Omar to do his time, his full time,I assume you mean 25 years without parole ... and that's not going to happen.So maybe in the interest of your own health and well-being you should just let it go. Obsessing about Khadr is not going to change anything that happened to you or your buddies. is that fair i think so, is that justice i think so....Do i want him to pay for his actions yes i do...do i want him to pay for all the bad things that happened to me and my buddies, NO, but that does not mean i have to show compasion for him .. No you don't. But you do need to move on. I regret every bit of physical and mental damage that happened to every Canadian soldier in Afghanistan. But Omar Khadr didn't send you there. Our federal governments sent you there to protect multinational corporate interests, and now that you're back and struggling with loss and trying to regain your lives, our government is not providing the support they should. If you want to vent at the cause of the damage, vent at the real cause. Edited January 30, 2014 by jacee Quote
Big Guy Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 ....the reason he is in there is he is being punished for his crimes, that is the whole purpose of our justice system. In Canada, the function of prisons is not punishment but rehabilitation under controlled conditions. We did away with the “STRAP” and other torture many years ago. Mission Statement of the Correctional Service of Canada "The Correctional Service of Canada (CSC), as part of the criminal justice system and respecting the rule of law, contributes to public safety by actively encouraging and assisting offenders to become law-abiding citizens, while exercising reasonable, safe, secure and humane control." We are a civilized country. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WestCoastRunner Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 I can add to the above: "Although the Supreme and Federal Courts of Canada recognized clear violations of Khadr's human rights, the Canadian government refused to take effective measures to bring Khadr back to Canada for REHABILITATION, unlike (adult) citizens from other western countries who were detained with him at Guantanamo Bay." Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Army Guy Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 I assume you mean 25 years without parole ... and that's not going to happen. So maybe in the interest of your own health and well-being you should just let it go. Obsessing about Khadr is not going to change anything that happened to you or your buddies. No you don't. But you do need to move on. I regret every bit of physical and mental damage that happened to every Canadian soldier in Afghanistan. But Omar Khadr didn't send you there. Our federal governments sent you there to protect multinational corporate interests, and now that you're back and struggling with loss and trying to regain your lives, our government is not providing the support they should. If you want to vent at the cause of the damage, vent at the real cause. Thats the problem with this post your assuming to much, Omar recieved 8 years for a sentence,( not counting his time served already) . And yes i do hope he spends all of those 8 years in prison, and as so far that is happening regardless.... According to military health care system my mental and physical health are above average, Omar imprisonment does not bother me in the least, i don't spend sleepless nights worring over yourg mr Khadr, who is locked up behind bars, getting a free education, food, the whole nine yards on our dime.....best $ 70,000 Canada spent in a long time.... What i've express here is my personal opinion, one that many Canadians share, some of you have twisted it into something else, because i don't have compasion for a 15 year old. Lets forget about who the real compasion should be reserved for..... Families of our soldiers who did not come back, our wounded soldiers, the families of our American comrads that Omar directly effected, who now live without a father, a bread winner....and how about the legitiment citizens of Afghan who omar help surpress....no i get it...those people don't deserve a mention, a second thought WHY ? we are more concerned about an enemy soldier who happened to be under age.... None of you have even responded to those questions i asked about the others....no you've made this out to be about a small fragile little boy, an image dreamed up by a lawyer trying to earn his pay check.....well omar is not a sweet little boy, he is a hardened terrorist. Look at his entire family and tell me this is a typical Canadian family....a familiy that supported terrorism, the surpression of another people, religious fanitics .....and yet we as candians we harbor them , provide free medical care, pay welfare to, huge payments for intel. What is it that you see when you look at omar ? "Omar did not send me there" , If it had not been for Omar and thousands just like him , Canadian soldiers would not have deployed to Afghan. That is a fact....so he has played a role in that deployment... Which multinational corporate interests ? was it oil, what about that pipe line, or how about the billions in minerals, and in 3 tours i spent over there i did not see one oil well, no drilling, except for water....no pipe line....and no minning for minerals....so what interests....don't make this out to be something it is not.... I've been back for years and have learned to live with my losses just fine, military doctors say i'm as mental fit as the average Canadian....stop twisting this entire post into something it is not....it is not about me, it's about Omar and your misplaced compasion. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 In Canada, the function of prisons is not punishment but rehabilitation under controlled conditions. We did away with the “STRAP” and other torture many years ago. Mission Statement of the Correctional Service of Canada "The Correctional Service of Canada (CSC), as part of the criminal justice system and respecting the rule of law, contributes to public safety by actively encouraging and assisting offenders to become law-abiding citizens, while exercising reasonable, safe, secure and humane control." We are a civilized country. I don't remember saying that Omar should be strapped,or tortured....alot of his freedoms have been taken away, and in my opinion that is a punishment...he has commited a crime, the crime of murder, are you saying he should be exempt because of his age ? and why do we not exempt all youth offenders from the same crime ? In your opinion do you think Corrections Canada is living up to its mission statement....are they achieving their goals of eliminating repeat offense through this assistance to offenders to become productive law -abiding citizens....contributes to public safety by actively encouraging and assisting offenders to become law-abiding citizens, while exercising reasonable, safe, secure and humane control." Yes we are a civilzed nation, hence why we still punish offenders for crimes, by removing alot of thier basic rights, and freedoms....and not by torture or strapping as you say... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 I can add to the above: "Although the Supreme and Federal Courts of Canada recognized clear violations of Khadr's human rights, the Canadian government refused to take effective measures to bring Khadr back to Canada for REHABILITATION, unlike (adult) citizens from other western countries who were detained with him at Guantanamo Bay." As far as i know Omar is now in a canadian prison, finishing off his time, he is being treated as any other canadian prisoner.....and yes the other countries were alot quicker at retrieving their citizens, so quick infact that some of them were re captured on the battlefield and did a second stint in gitmo....or were killed on the battle field.... But what of the other diplomatic stuff our government has done on young Omars behalf, like ensuring he did not recieve the death sentence that the US was talking about....that he would recieve a fair trial, that he was feed, his religion respected, and housed humanily.....Omar could have been handed over to the Afghan authorities, like the what happened to all those after Omar mess hit the media...Afghan prisons make gitmo look like disney world.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jacee Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 Thats the problem with this post your assuming to much, Omar recieved 8 years for a sentence,( not counting his time served already) . And yes i do hope he spends all of those 8 years in prison, and as so far that is happening regardless....Time served does count. Gradual re-introduction into society with supervision is part of the process of protecting the public. Which multinational corporate interests ? was it oil, what about that pipe line, or how about the billions in minerals, and in 3 tours i spent over there i did not see one oil well, no drilling, except for water....no pipe line....and no minning for minerals....so what interests....don't make this out to be something it is not....I got that info from an officer who was there. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 3, 2014 Report Posted February 3, 2014 Time served does count. Gradual re-introduction into society with supervision is part of the process of protecting the public. I got that info from an officer who was there. Sorry, but not according to any sources i have found, he was sentenced to 8 years. which he will serve in a Canadian prison. Time already served does not count. He accepted an 8-year sentence, not including time served, with the possibility of a transfer to Canada after at least one year to serve the remainder of the sentence there, based on a diplomatic (United States/Canada) agreement.[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr Then your officer source is wrong. There is no major oil reserve or pipe lines, being built, there is reportly a huge mineral deposit, but little to nothing has been done on extracting it...perhaps you can find a link on how corporate America and afghan is profiting on the war . Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jacee Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 Sorry, but not according to any sources i have found, he was sentenced to 8 years. which he will serve in a Canadian prison. Time already served does not count. I expect time served was taken into account in his sentencing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr Then your officer source is wrong. There is no major oil reserve or pipe lines, being built, there is reportly a huge mineral deposit, but little to nothing has been done on extracting it...perhaps you can find a link on how corporate America and afghan is profiting on the war . Iraqi oil is all subcontracted to Bush`s Texas oil buddies. Afghanistan ... well the Taliban is still causing headaches for the pipeline and uranium guys ... but wait for it. I appreciate that Canadian soldiers tried their best to help the Afghani people, but that alone would never have got you sent there: Corporate interests did that. And if you want to know whether Canadians care about injured vets, there's another thread about that. Quote
jacee Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 Sorry, but not according to any sources i have found, he was sentenced to 8 years. which he will serve in a Canadian prison. Time already served does not count. I expect time served was taken into account in his sentencing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr Then your officer source is wrong. There is no major oil reserve or pipe lines, being built, there is reportly a huge mineral deposit, but little to nothing has been done on extracting it...perhaps you can find a link on how corporate America and afghan is profiting on the war . Iraqi oil is all subcontracted to Bush`s Texas oil buddies. Afghanistan ... well the Taliban is still causing headaches for the pipeline and uranium guys ... but wait for it. I appreciate that Canadian soldiers tried their best to help the Afghani people, but that alone would never have got you sent there: Corporate interests did that. And if you want to know whether Canadians care about injured vets, there's another thread about that. Quote
jacee Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 Sorry, but not according to any sources i have found, he was sentenced to 8 years. which he will serve in a Canadian prison. Time already served does not count. I expect time served was taken into account in his sentencing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr Then your officer source is wrong. There is no major oil reserve or pipe lines, being built, there is reportly a huge mineral deposit, but little to nothing has been done on extracting it...perhaps you can find a link on how corporate America and afghan is profiting on the war . Iraqi oil is all subcontracted to Bush`s Texas oil buddies. Afghanistan ... well the Taliban is still causing headaches for the pipeline and uranium guys ... but wait for it. I appreciate that Canadian soldiers tried their best to help the Afghani people, but that alone would never have got you sent there: Corporate interests did that. And if you want to know whether Canadians care about injured vets, there's another thread about that. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22931-veterans-vs-harper-government/?fromsearch=1 Quote
jacee Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Sorry, but not according to any sources i have found, he was sentenced to 8 years. which he will serve in a Canadian prison. Time already served does not count.I expect time served was taken into account in his sentencing. Then your officer source is wrong. There is no major oil reserve or pipe lines, being built, there is reportly a huge mineral deposit, but little to nothing has been done on extracting it...perhaps you can find a link on how corporate America and afghan is profiting on the war .Iraqi oil is all subcontracted to Bush`s Texas oil buddies. Afghanistan ... well the Taliban is still causing headaches for the pipeline and uranium guys ... but wait for it. I appreciate that Canadian soldiers tried their best to help the Afghani people, but that alone would never have got you sent there: Corporate interests did that. And if you want to know whether Canadians care about injured vets, there are other threads about that. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22931-veterans-vs-harper-government/?fromsearch=1 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/23214-ptsd-and-the-military/?fromsearch=1 Edited February 4, 2014 by jacee Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 ... Iraqi oil is all subcontracted to Bush`s Texas oil buddies. True only if Texas is in China. Nice try.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) True only if Texas is in China. Nice try....Yes you`re right ... the sand has shifted ...US oil companies chickened out: Iraq hasnt become the bonanza for big Western international oil companies that some might have expected when the U.S. invaded 10 years ago. Its a different story, though, for the U.S. oil field services and engineering companies that have established dominant positions in Iraq. That includes Haliburton, the company that Iraq war booster Dick Cheney led before he became vice president. Bush administration officials suggested shortly after the invasion that revenue from Iraqs oil fields could largely pay the cost of rebuilding the country. That turned out to be wrong, and $60 billion in American taxpayer funds ended up going into the reconstruction of Iraq. The war devastated Iraqs oil industry, as kidnappings, sabotage and attacks on infrastructure made it virtually impossible to do business. While the industrys improvement in Iraq since 2009 has been substantial, according to analysts, the country remains a tough place to work. Huge problems remain with infrastructure, security and logistics. The contract terms the Iraqi government offers oil companies also arent attractive, said Trevor Houser, an energy specialist with the New York-based Rhodium Group consulting firm. China is expanding in Iraq because it needs the energy and it doesnt have alternatives that are as good as those of Western oil companies, he said. The most profitable places in the world to work as an oil company are the North American unconventional fields such as shale deposits in the Eastern U.S. and the deepwater fields in West Africa or the Gulf of Mexico, Houser said. China has limited opportunities in those places, he said, with the state-owned oil company PetroChina lacking the technological sophistication needed for deepwater production. Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/03/27/187100/iraqi-oil-once-seen-as-us-boon.html#storylink=cpy All those soldiers injured, killed ... and Bush's oil boys crapped out anyway ... 'too complicated'. Edited February 5, 2014 by jacee Quote
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