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Why Christie will never be President but Harper will get re-elected


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The Toronto Star and other (left-wing) MSM commented on how forthcoming Chris Christie was in his press conference. In Canada, they compared this with Harper's "stone-walling" or "inability to answer questions in public". This Canadian leftist MSM invariably concluded that Christie handled the scandal well.

On the contrary. Harper handled his scandal far better.

Harper is still standing. Christie is history.

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The comparison of the two scandals is, as they say, boîteuse.

Christie punished severely thousands of innocent people because a politician would not do as he wanted. Harper merely imposed a minor cost on millions to hire a minion to publicize his party.

Admittedly though, both scandals are examples of expediency, the currency of political life. One wonders how such emails come to light. Are these players so incompetent that they don't know how to delete messages?

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Are these players so incompetent that they don't know how to delete messages?

No information ever spoken, sent, written, emailed, or otherwise communicated, can ever be removed from existence. Not without burning down half the world. Surveillance is everywhere, and data lives forever. The only secret that is safe is one that is known by one person and one person only, never in any way recorded or communicated, existing in their mind alone.

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The Toronto Star and other (left-wing) MSM commented on how forthcoming Chris Christie was in his press conference. In Canada, they compared this with Harper's "stone-walling" or "inability to answer questions in public". This Canadian leftist MSM invariably concluded that Christie handled the scandal well.

On the contrary. Harper handled his scandal far better.

Harper is still standing. Christie is history.

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The comparison of the two scandals is, as they say, boîteuse.

Christie punished severely thousands of innocent people because a politician would not do as he wanted. Harper merely imposed a minor cost on millions to hire a minion to publicize his party.

Admittedly though, both scandals are examples of expediency, the currency of political life. One wonders how such emails come to light. Are these players so incompetent that they don't know how to delete messages?

According to the polls most of us don't think Harper handled this, the most current of his scandals very well at all. And now the only bright spot he was hoping to tout, namely the economy, has also gone south. When the RCMP finally gets done churning those "deleted" emails, I expect his future will get even gloomier. We shall see what the future holds of course, but in the meantime if you wish to use the delete button, make sure you do it before the send button.

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Harper is still standing. Christie is history.

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The comparison of the two scandals is, as they say, boîteuse.

Christie punished severely thousands of innocent people because a politician would not do as he wanted. Harper merely imposed a minor cost on millions to hire a minion to publicize his party.

Utter nonsense. Christie is anything but history, and he did nothing of the sort regarding punishing thousands of innocent people. The people responsible have been terminated. And 3 years from now, this will be anything but the prevailing issue.

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I think Christie will be President if he gets the nomination. The only thing standing in his way are the crazed Tea Party types who don't think he's enough of an anarchist for their tastes.

Americans elect presidents, where they have the choice, who present likeable television personas (Canadians do the same). Witness George Bush 2, Clinton and Reagan. Obama got elected despite this, but his opponent certainly wasn't Mr. Charisma, was old, and saddled with extreme positions from the right wing of the party. He also had that giddy 'black' thing going for him.

Whether the Democratic candidate is Clinton or Bidon, they will be completely overshadowed by Christie's personality. Ordinary Americans can see sitting down at a bar or table with Chris Christie. Clinton and Bidon, not so much. Neither has any charisma nor is particularly likeable. And, while Christie has baggage, so do they, particularly Clinton.

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Utter nonsense. Christie is anything but history, and he did nothing of the sort regarding punishing thousands of innocent people. The people responsible have been terminated. And 3 years from now, this will be anything but the prevailing issue.

Again, your undying loyalty is touching but you have absolutely no basis for you claims. You don't know (and may never know) Christie's actual level of involvement. At an absolute minimum, this calls into question Christie's leadership ability. Or are you arguing that leadership ability is an optional trait in a president?

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Christie is anything but history, and he did nothing of the sort regarding punishing thousands of innocent people. The people responsible have been terminated.

What do you make of an office culture that only requires the mere mention of the need for traffic chaos and the response is an immediate "Got it." I'll give you a clue, since you have proven yourself painfully naive with the whole Ford fiasco. It means that the environment in the Governor's office encouraged such retribution. the only way such an environment can exist is if the guy in charge knows about it.

Just as I was sure Rob Ford was guilty of smoking crack, I am just as certain Christie is guilty of traffic tie-ups for political purposes. His presidential aspirations are over.

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Again, your undying loyalty is touching but you have absolutely no basis for you claims. You don't know (and may never know) Christie's actual level of involvement. At an absolute minimum, this calls into question Christie's leadership ability. Or are you arguing that leadership ability is an optional trait in a president?

We might never know, but as is the case with the thing in Canada its not very likely that a senior staffer would do these things without at least some communication with their boss. In both cases there was the potential of political consequences and you can be sure these risks were not taken without input from the top.

Throwing staffers to the wolves is just political damage control. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

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Christie punished severely thousands of innocent people because a politician would not do as he wanted. Harper merely imposed a minor cost on millions to hire a minion to publicize his party.

Christie is hardly done yet.

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Utter nonsense. Christie is anything but history....

I disagree. Christie has lost his base and because of that, he has lost any chance at marginal, LIV voters,

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Shady, the neat thing about America is that there is no margin of error. Christie had to get it exactly right, and he is now like Edmund Muskie.

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But it's still a 'character' issue.

Character issue?

Michael, do you believe that Trudeau Snr, Kennedy or Clinton were any different? Politicians do deals, (I always wondered about Thatcher and Trudeau Snr, There were lines that Churchill would not cross.)

If you are curious to know more, I suggest Oscar Wilde or, uh, Machiavelli.

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I disagree. Christie has lost his base and because of that, he has lost any chance at marginal, LIV voters,

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Shady, the neat thing about America is that there is no margin of error. Christie had to get it exactly right, and he is now like Edmund Muskie.

Christie is hardly done yet.
Harper has kept his base support. Christie has lost his.

The New York Sun (link) makes the following points. I directly quote since they say it better than I could have:

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Forgive us, but are we the only ones who think this is absurd? Maybe not in the abstract. But in comparison to the stunts the Obama administration pulled during the budget fight. That was when it didn’t get its way from the Republicans on Capitol Hill. It closed national parks and penny ante historical sites, it ended White House tours. It imposed all kinds of un-necessary inconveniences for the sole purpose of political payback. It fairly wrote the book on this modus operandi. The newspapers, the television were full of it. Everybody seemed to think it was a normal, logical reaction to the budget fight.

By our lights Governor Christie’s aides were wrong to pull the stunt they did. But if they were wrong, if this calls the governor’s political future into question, what about Mr. Obama?

(snip)

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Tying up traffic for political payback, causing all kinds of problems to all sorts of people, is the same as shutting down a government park or White House tour because the government was shut down? I guess if you're a committed Republican there is a similarity. To the rest of the world, it's no comparison.

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Tying up traffic for political payback, causing all kinds of problems to all sorts of people, is the same as shutting down a government park or White House tour because the government was shut down? I guess if you're a committed Republican there is a similarity. To the rest of the world, it's no comparison.

I have been a Democrat since 1975.
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I disagree. Christie has lost his base and because of that, he has lost any chance at marginal, LIV voters,

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Shady, the neat thing about America is that there is no margin of error. Christie had to get it exactly right, and he is now like Edmund Muskie.

No he hasn't lost his base. And three years from now, this will barely be a blip in the political landscape. You're also extremely incorrect in saying there is no room for error. It's actually the exact opposite. The public is very willing to forgive. Sorry, but in this instance,you're wrong on multiple levels.
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Tying up traffic for political payback, causing all kinds of problems to all sorts of people, is the same as shutting down a government park or White House tour because the government was shut down? I guess if you're a committed Republican there is a similarity. To the rest of the world, it's no comparison.

I agree that closing a lane for political purposes is inappropriate behaviour. Those responsible have been and will be held responsible.

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I suppose we could find the truth on either case, if they both, go to court. Wright, has said he didn't any wrong and for that to be true, he acted with permission from Harper or Harper's lawyer and as far as Christie, Miss Kelly, I would think, would come out and say the governor knew , if in fact he did, but she hasn't said anything so far. In any case, I thought Christie was more creditable, than Harper. Christie took responsibility, Harper just blamed others, as always, Harper never takes any responsibility when things go wrong but he sure like to take the credit for something that good, even if he's not responsible!!

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I agree that closing a lane for political purposes is inappropriate behaviour. Those responsible have been and will be held responsible.

You know... I actually dont mind Christie, and I hope he becomes the nominee. I think he is the one republican that might stand up to the chick-hawks, tea-baggers, and womb-goons that dominate his party.

But you really need to think more critically when politicians throw staffers to the worlves to try to squelch a scandal, then claim they had nothing to do with it. This is one of the oldest routines in politics and chances are they are lying through their teeth.

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I have been a Democrat since 1975.

You need to use smiley faces to convey sarcasm over the Internet. But if you really wanted to convince people you aren't really a Republican, you would at least have to explain how Republicans shutting down the government is Obama's fault, and how stopping White House tours is equivalent to tying up ambulance traffic.
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The public is very willing to forgive.

No, you're very willing to forgive, but only when it involves right-wing politicians. If it were a left winger smoking crack, consorting with criminals, or recklessly endangering the general public, you wouldn't be forgiving at all.
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If it were a left winger smoking crack, consorting with criminals, or recklessly endangering the general public, you wouldn't be forgiving at all.

And frankly he shouldn't be in that context. There's some things that should be criticized regardless of what party the person doing it belongs to.
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