PIK Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 Well since he is all about transparency and openess, but it seemed his 1st decision as leader was to hide the fact one of his senators was stalking and harrassing women around the world since at least 1996. Where is the outrage. This is alot worse then getting caught trying to pay back taxpayers money that was stolen. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Shady Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 He should definitely resign. Since that seems to be the new meme from others. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 This is alot worse then getting caught trying to pay back taxpayers money that was stolen. If that's what you think the Senate scandal issue is about, then you clearly have no idea what the problem is. Conservative Senator Noel Kinsella even said to the press today that the entire situation is an embarrassment to him. We're talking about the PMO trying to interfere with an independent audit, the PMO writing a Senate committee's report, and the Conservative Party paying a sitting Senator to be uncooperative with an independent audit. This isn't simply "getting caught trying to pay back taxpayers money." You quite obviously haven't been paying any attention whatsoever to what's going on. Quote
PIK Posted December 2, 2013 Author Report Posted December 2, 2013 He should definitely resign. Since that seems to be the new meme from others. This is terrible , what does it say about this country reputation when it is common knowledge that a senator is stalking women from all over. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
cybercoma Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 He should definitely resign. Since that seems to be the new meme from others. Harper shouldn't resign. He should answer for what his offices, both PMO and PCO, and party have been doing interfering in the Senate and with an independent audit. If he resigns, we'll never get answers. Not that blind partisans like you and PIK really care about answers. Quote
PIK Posted December 2, 2013 Author Report Posted December 2, 2013 If that's what you think the Senate scandal issue is about, then you clearly have no idea what the problem is. Conservative Senator Noel Kinsella even said to the press today that the entire situation is an embarrassment to him. We're talking about the PMO trying to interfere with an independent audit, the PMO writing a Senate committee's report, and the Conservative Party paying a sitting Senator to be uncooperative with an independent audit. This isn't simply "getting caught trying to pay back taxpayers money." You quite obviously haven't been paying any attention whatsoever to what's going on. You drank to much media BS. This is a fake scandal, only to hurt the conservatives and to give justin a chance to win. Everybody know what this 90g's is all about. And the PMO interfereing is another red herring. Most of it is a red herring, to keep the eye off of trudeau and the ONT gov. You have been suck in and you can 't get out. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Black Dog Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) You drank to much media BS. This is a fake scandal, only to hurt the conservatives and to give justin a chance to win. Everybody know what this 90g's is all about. And the PMO interfereing is another red herring. Most of it is a red herring, to keep the eye off of trudeau and the ONT gov. You have been suck in and you can 't get out. So was it the media or Trudeau who got the PMO to mess with the auditor's report and authorize the payback of Duffy's expenses? Were these the same people who tricked Rob Ford into smoking crack and hang out with drug dealers? Edited December 2, 2013 by Black Dog Quote
jacee Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) You drank to much media BS. This is a fake scandal, only to hurt the conservatives and to give justin a chance to win. Everybody know what this 90g's is all about. And the PMO interfereing is another red herring. Most of it is a red herring, to keep the eye off of trudeau and the ONT gov. You have been suck in and you can 't get out.It's not about $90g, PIK.It's about what the PMO did to bribe, payoff, cover up, and 'influence' senators. It's about corruption in the PMO. But there are already enough threads about that. No point rehashing it here. Maybe you could come up with more dirt on Trudeau for this thread? . Edited December 2, 2013 by jacee Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 Harper shouldn't resign. He should answer for what his offices, both PMO and PCO, and party have been doing interfering in the Senate and with an independent audit. If he resigns, we'll never get answers. Not that blind partisans like you and PIK really care about answers. I'm with you on this one. If Harper and all those other people in the PMO that "didn't know" anything were allowed to just close up shop and walk away it would be yet another blow to any faith in "the system" any of us has left. However I suspect as more and more damning emails show up and the strength of the appearance of illegal activity will keep the RCMP on the trail regardless if Harper hides under his bed. Quote
Topaz Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 Those deleted e-mails from the lawyer Perrin, has suddenly been found and turn over to the RCMP. I also know that a law professor at the U of Ottawa is asking the Law Society to look into the e-mails of the two lawyers involved in the PMO because by law they have to keep ALL e-mails for a year,so one way or another the e-mails would come out. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ex-pmo-lawyer-s-emails-not-deleted-pco-to-rcmp-1.1569622 Quote
PIK Posted December 2, 2013 Author Report Posted December 2, 2013 This proves my point, the libs can't do no wrong. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
cybercoma Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 This proves my point, the libs can't do no wrong. Nope. The Liberals should be criticized for this, but you don't get to use this to whitewash the disaster in the PMO. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 Those deleted e-mails from the lawyer Perrin, has suddenly been found and turn over to the RCMP. I also know that a law professor at the U of Ottawa is asking the Law Society to look into the e-mails of the two lawyers involved in the PMO because by law they have to keep ALL e-mails for a year,so one way or another the e-mails would come out. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ex-pmo-lawyer-s-emails-not-deleted-pco-to-rcmp-1.1569622 Your link no longer works - but that Law Professor is Amir Attaran - the same guy who said that Canada was complicit in War Crimes because the Afghans were thought to be torturing the Taliban. He said those war crimes all fell on Harper and that the only way around it was to build Canadian Detention Centers in Afghanistan - just like Gitmo....although Attaran is vehemently opposed to Gitmo (go figure). Here's an interesting article that links Attaran to Michael Ignatieff and helps to explain his ties to the Liberals - and thus his rabid opposition to the Conservatives - and Stephen Harper. Link: http://stevejanke.com/archives/224017.php Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 Your link no longer works - but that Law Professor is Amir Attaran - the same guy who said that Canada was complicit in War Crimes because the Afghans were thought to be torturing the Taliban. He said those war crimes all fell on Harper and that the only way around it was to build Canadian Detention Centers in Afghanistan - just like Gitmo....although Attaran is vehemently opposed to Gitmo (go figure). Here's an interesting article that links Attaran to Michael Ignatieff and helps to explain his ties to the Liberals - and thus his rabid opposition to the Conservatives - and Stephen Harper. Link: http://stevejanke.com/archives/224017.php You left out a small but significant portion of the story. The alleged war crimes were not because the Taliban were being tortured by the ANA, but because Canadian troops may have handed over Taliban in their custody to the ANA where there was a possibility of torture. When you do that you break Canadian law. I'm no fan of Taliban, I have seen their handywork, but the law is the law. As you may recall, Harper refused to table the report on the situation in Afghanistan, and it was part of what landed him the dubious distinction of the first PM in the country's history to be found in "contempt of parliament" Quote
Topaz Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 This proves my point, the libs can't do no wrong. Who said Liberals can't do wrong? Didn't Libs vote out them in 2005-6? Now, its Reform,Alliance and Conservative turn. Quote
socialist Posted December 3, 2013 Report Posted December 3, 2013 He should definitely resign. Since that seems to be the new meme from others. Give me a break. Trudeau ran clean by-elections and refrained from using attack ads. This country needs Justin. I will vote over NDP because of Justin. He speaks across generations. You see what is going on here? The CPC are mired in scandal after scandal so some people have to try and nit pick at Trudeau with baseless claims. Shady, the SENATE SCANDAL is going to be fresh in people's memories when the next election occurs. That's why I am already predicting a Loberal majority in 2015. After 2015, Canada will no longer win the dubious Fossil of the year Year Award. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
jbg Posted December 3, 2013 Report Posted December 3, 2013 Give me a break. Trudeau ran clean by-elections and refrained from using attack ads. This country needs Justin. I will vote over NDP because of Justin. He speaks across generations.Trudeau speaks the way a social worker in his 20's does. He does not have gravitas. He certainly has no depth of ideas. I fear he will take a great party with a great tradition down with him. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Keepitsimple Posted December 3, 2013 Report Posted December 3, 2013 You left out a small but significant portion of the story. The alleged war crimes were not because the Taliban were being tortured by the ANA, but because Canadian troops may have handed over Taliban in their custody to the ANA where there was a possibility of torture. When you do that you break Canadian law. I'm no fan of Taliban, I have seen their handywork, but the law is the law. As you may recall, Harper refused to table the report on the situation in Afghanistan, and it was part of what landed him the dubious distinction of the first PM in the country's history to be found in "contempt of parliament" Your point is accurately stated.....but the key words are "may have" and "possibility". In the fog of war that included taliban atrocities that boggle the mind (beheadings, blowing up girls schools with children in it, targeting funeral processions, killing first-responders) shouting from the rooftops that Canada was committing war crimes and Harper was responisble.....well, it comes very close to a level of treason. Quote Back to Basics
BubberMiley Posted December 3, 2013 Report Posted December 3, 2013 He should definitely resign. Since that seems to be the new meme from others.Are you referring to Doug Ford's dispicable attempt to get Chief Blair to resign? I thought that was pretty low, considering he doesn't even think his brother should resign. But I guess if you agree with that, you would be gung-ho for anyone you disagree with to resign. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
g_bambino Posted December 3, 2013 Report Posted December 3, 2013 Trudeau speaks the way a social worker in his 20's does. He does not have gravitas. He certainly has no depth of ideas. Mm. That's a pretty good summation. Quote
Topaz Posted December 3, 2013 Report Posted December 3, 2013 Your link no longer works - but that Law Professor is Amir Attaran - the same guy who said that Canada was complicit in War Crimes because the Afghans were thought to be torturing the Taliban. He said those war crimes all fell on Harper and that the only way around it was to build Canadian Detention Centers in Afghanistan - just like Gitmo....although Attaran is vehemently opposed to Gitmo (go figure). Here's an interesting article that links Attaran to Michael Ignatieff and helps to explain his ties to the Liberals - and thus his rabid opposition to the Conservatives - and Stephen Harper. Link: http://stevejanke.com/archives/224017.php Don't know anything about that just reported what he said on TV. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 3, 2013 Report Posted December 3, 2013 Mm. That's a pretty good summation. The thing is that Trudeau is keeping his cards close to avoid the CPC early campaign from going full bore against him. They've already been sending flyers out, paying for radio ads, and running television spots to attack him. Trudeau is a giant question mark at this point. We know nothing about him. So it's impossible to really say anything one way or another about his "ideas". Quote
Keepitsimple Posted December 3, 2013 Report Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) The thing is that Trudeau is keeping his cards close to avoid the CPC early campaign from going full bore against him. They've already been sending flyers out, paying for radio ads, and running television spots to attack him. Trudeau is a giant question mark at this point. We know nothing about him. So it's impossible to really say anything one way or another about his "ideas". Sure it is. History is the best predictor of the future. He's never had any ideas - and it follows suit that he never will. Heck, he never even showed any interest in politics. The guy is over 40 and has never cobbled together a single policy idea - well, except for marijuana. In QP, he's like a robot reading from a script - he's not committed enough to the substance of his "arguments" to actually remember his lines. "Keeping his cards close" is just an excuse devised to keep his shallowness out of the public eye. It can't go on forever and when the dam bursts, it won't be a pretty sight. Edited December 3, 2013 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
cybercoma Posted December 3, 2013 Report Posted December 3, 2013 Thank you for the bold text. The subtlety of your arguments makes them difficult to understand without the emphasis. I really appreciate it. Quote
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