Derek 2.0 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Not yet. Because we have to wait for 2015. What does 2015 have to do with it? This effort, like the ones in Colorado and Washington State, were not initiatives of a Federal Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 What does 2015 have to do with it? This effort, like the ones in Colorado and Washington State, were not initiatives of a Federal Government. Because when Harper is sent kicking horse turds down the road, pot will be legalized just like it has been by our neighbors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Because when Harper is sent kicking horse turds down the road, pot will be legalized just like it has been by our neighbors. Why will it be legalized though? If pot smokers in BC were not able to get 300k signatures, who is really going to push this legislation Canada wide? Trudeau has said that he plans to, but of course, based on the NDP’s differing stance, I fail to see outside of a Liberal Majority (which is highly unlikely next year) that ever happening…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 At least we will be a few steps down the road toward what's inevitable in any case. And a few steps away from Harper's silliness. Don't know if you heard the interview where he told Mansbridge that "when you buy that joint you are not buying it from your neighbor, but from the Mexican cartels" or words to that effect. Good going Stephen Harper, your TOC bill will keep the cartels in power. He's not rteally that stupid I don't think, he just scrapes the barrel for votes wherever he can see one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 At least we will be a few steps down the road toward what's inevitable in any case. And a few steps away from Harper's silliness. Don't know if you heard the interview where he told Mansbridge that "when you buy that joint you are not buying it from your neighbor, but from the Mexican cartels" or words to that effect. Good going Stephen Harper, your TOC bill will keep the cartels in power. He's not rteally that stupid I don't think, he just scrapes the barrel for votes wherever he can see one. Are not the cartels and organized crime afforded their power and influence through monetary gain received through supplying a product to reach a demand by a segment of the citizenry? Also, to steer this back on topic, I’ve yet to see Trudeau’s plan outlined, but he has stated that he would tax pot……Are all pot users willing to pay a tax to the government, well purchasing a product from a corporation? Could not legalization of pot create another underground market of pot sans tax? If so, how would a Trudeau Government stamp out a underground, tax-free, pot market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Are not the cartels and organized crime afforded their power and influence through monetary gain received through supplying a product to reach a demand by a segment of the citizenry? Also, to steer this back on topic, I’ve yet to see Trudeau’s plan outlined, but he has stated that he would tax pot……Are all pot users willing to pay a tax to the government, well purchasing a product from a corporation? Could not legalization of pot create another underground market of pot sans tax? If so, how would a Trudeau Government stamp out a underground, tax-free, pot market? Think about it. If you want a 6 pack you go to the gov. run store and buy it. No worries about being arrested and getting your picture up at the post office. Why not the same for pot. And then, bye bye cartels. You can in essence buy it from your neighbor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I hasten to add, anybody with half a brain in their head who wants a joint can get one in 5 minutes and will do so, (my lawyer friends included) regardless of what the law says. So why not cash in on the tax windfall like Washington and Colorado are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Could not legalization of pot create another underground market of pot sans tax? If so, how would a Trudeau Government stamp out a underground, tax-free, pot market? Unh ... gee ... is there an underground tax free booze market? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Think about it. If you want a 6 pack you go to the gov. run store and buy it. No worries about being arrested and getting your picture up at the post office. Why not the same for pot. And then, bye bye cartels. You can in essence buy it from your neighbor. I never said I was opposed to the liberalization of pot laws……..But I don’t know how the same end for pot smokers couldn’t be achieved by decriminalization…..Are recreational pot users being hassled by the Man even now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I hasten to add, anybody with half a brain in their head who wants a joint can get one in 5 minutes and will do so, (my lawyer friends included) regardless of what the law says. So why not cash in on the tax windfall like Washington and Colorado are doing. How much do they expect to receive in tax revenue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Unh ... gee ... is there an underground tax free booze market? . Is there? I don’t know…..but I understand there is quite a market for cigarettes……..using legal cigarettes as an example, would pot smokers favour a Trudeau tax on their weed, or would they just get their pot as they currently do? I’ve no issue, like I said, with decriminalizing pot, but I fail to see the benefit for pot smokers and why they would pay a sin tax……….Also, under Trudeau’s pot plan, how does he intend to regulate the production and distribution of it? Will he create a new bureaucracy to police legal pot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 How much do they expect to receive in tax revenue? I can't quote you a specific $ value but of course it's huge. Think about what tobacco and alcohal bring in. And with much less health care impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 ... to regulate the production and distribution of it? Will he create a new bureaucracy to police legal pot? I live in Southern Ontario. Our municipality has already had to create zoning restrictions specially for marijuana growing. It includes things like safety, security, set backs, confinement etc. We have had to do this to accommodate 2 developments that are creating indoor marijuana growing facilities. Their applications have now been approved and there a 3 more applications in the wings. The local OPP have been part of the negotiations and are pleased with the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I live in Southern Ontario. Our municipality has already had to create zoning restrictions specially for marijuana growing. It includes things like safety, security, set backs, confinement etc. We have had to do this to accommodate 2 developments that are creating indoor marijuana growing facilities. Their applications have now been approved and there a 3 more applications in the wings. The local OPP have been part of the negotiations and are pleased with the results. Sure, but that’s not the same scope as a federally regulated industry……….. And more on the “pot” front and Trudeau: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/marc-emery-the-prince-of-pot-may-be-a-liability-for-the-liberals-1.2701645 Marc Emery, the so-called "prince of pot" who has vowed to campaign across the country for Justin Trudeau, could already be getting the brush off from Liberals, who despite their leader’s call for the legalization of marijuana, may not want to be linked to the controversial activist. Are the Trudeau Liberals have a rethink on their pot policy going into 2015? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 The pot issue helps JT win the election and the ridiculously stupid and transparent attack adds Harper is putting out loses him the election. JT is dealing with a real issue. Harper is whining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 JT has a problem with Marc Emery returning to Canada after being in a u.s. prison for selling marijuana seeds online. Emery wants to campaign for the liberals and JT wants no part of it. I wonder how they will keep Marc at arm's length! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Here is a link regarding Marc Emery http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/08/marijuana-activist-marc-emery-vows-cross-country-campaign-for-justin-trudeau-as-soon-as-he-gets-out-of-u-s-jail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I don't imagine the Marc Emery headline is the most welcomed by JT, specifically due to the criminal conviction due to the cross border stuff. However we all know that none of us who smoke a joint now and then have any trouble finding one. Under Harper's guidance we will have to continue to buy it from the cartels. I'd rather buy it from my neighbor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Not only is Marc Emery vowing to campaign for the liberals but his wife has put her name in the ring as a nominee in BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I heard her interviewed on PnP today. She spoke well. We'll see how this plays out. I'd bet JT is doing some thinking as we speak but I'd agree, arms length is probably the best bet just now. But of course we all know Harper will try and get as much redneck support as he can from this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Unh ... gee ... is there an underground tax free booze market? . Ever heard of moonshine? There is an underground tobacco industry because of the absurd taxes levied on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 And yet the government still collects a boat load of tax from tobacco. Right now, marijuana costs the government money, and does no more harm (probably significantly less) than alcohol. It's nonsensical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 And yet the government still collects a boat load of tax from tobacco. Right now, marijuana costs the government money, and does no more harm (probably significantly less) than alcohol. It's nonsensical. I really don’t care up or down, but is their actually scientific data that suggest pot has less negative effects than alcohol……… None the less, it’s telling that the Trudeau Liberals appear to be distancing themselves from Emery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I really don’t care up or down, but is their actually scientific data that suggest pot has less negative effects than alcohol……… None the less, it’s telling that the Trudeau Liberals appear to be distancing themselves from Emery. Why would they not distance themselves from a convicted criminal? As to the scientific data - yes there actually is. Marijuana, like all smoke, is harmful, but not in the same way as cigarettes or even alcohol when it comes to the carcinogenic effects. It's also shown to have no negative effect on the adult brain. There's no reason for it to be illegal (note that this doesn't mean I think anyone should do it. I don't like any type of mind altering substance, but, I don't find it to be any of my business). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Why would they not distance themselves from a convicted criminal? Did they not welcome his wife with open arms? Would not one assume that her activist husband might partake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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