socialist Posted November 17, 2013 Report Posted November 17, 2013 The sport is barbaric and its use is coming to an end. I was happy to read that fewer kids in the United States are playing the violent sport. Why is government allowing this sport to continue as it is causing all kinds of brain injuries, taxing our medical system. Why would a parent sin their kid up for football is beyond me. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
ReeferMadness Posted November 17, 2013 Report Posted November 17, 2013 I played a year in high school but I'm not sure I would do it, knowing what I know now. The body was never designed for that kind of punishment. But there are lots of other contact sports that could fall into this category. - boxing - hockey - rugby And most sports played a high level will eventually result in stress or strain injuries. I think it's less about the sport and more about how it's played. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Guest Posted November 17, 2013 Report Posted November 17, 2013 It's hard to see the banning of sports for violence related injuries when the current trend is towards acceptance of ever more violent spectacle like Mixed Martial Arts bouts. Quote
The_Squid Posted November 17, 2013 Report Posted November 17, 2013 Don't ban any contact sports. Do what you can to minimize injuries. Hopefully the Ticats win tomorrow. Quote
Jimmy Wilson Posted November 17, 2013 Report Posted November 17, 2013 The 'Cats did win!!! And I played football and I boxed... I guess that explains some things? Quote "Neo-conservativism,I think,is really the aggrandizement of selfishness.It's about me,only me,and after that,me.It's about only investing in things that produce a huge profit for yourself.It's NOT about society as a whole and it tends to be very insensitive to those people,who for one reason or another,have fallen beneath the poverty line and it's engaged in presumptions that these people are all poor because they are lazy.Neo-conservatives believe that fundamentally..." Senator Hugh Segal
socialist Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Posted November 18, 2013 The 'Cats did win!!! And I played football and I boxed... I guess that explains some things? Jack, are we supposed to be impressed? LOL Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Mighty AC Posted November 18, 2013 Report Posted November 18, 2013 I played football at a fairly high level along with hockey and rugby. One of my kids already plays hockey, though thankfully it appears that his skill set will prevent him from playing at the top levels. His head should benefit from a slower pace of play and less ice time than the AAA guys. I absolutely loved football and sorely missed it when I hung up my cleats, but I don't think I want my children to play. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Army Guy Posted November 18, 2013 Report Posted November 18, 2013 Looking back at time, i'm not sure how we as a society even survived, playing shiney full contact hockey on some pond with a puck, and Sears wish books taped to my shines, nobody died, nobody had any long term injuries....Football was full contact, with no gear, just a football, again everybody lived....well their was that kid down the street , but he had that lisp his whole life ....today shit i'm surprised we don't tape up our kids up with bubble wrap just to ride bikes....Todays sports are safer than every before....then again there is always the play station, and letting our kids get 400 lbs.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Boges Posted November 18, 2013 Report Posted November 18, 2013 I remember player tackle football during recess in Grade 5. If kids did that now grief councillors and CAS would be called. Quote
Mighty AC Posted November 18, 2013 Report Posted November 18, 2013 Contact sports with pads are much tougher on the body, and especially the head, than those without. Better equipment has made today's sports safer from a cuts and bruises standpoint but there is no good way to stop a brain from crashing around inside the skull. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Boges Posted November 18, 2013 Report Posted November 18, 2013 I think head injuries have always been a reality in contact sports. We are just more aware of them now than before. Back in the day people would tell you just to rub some dirt in it and walk it off. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 19, 2013 Report Posted November 19, 2013 Contact sports with pads are much tougher on the body, and especially the head, than those without. Better equipment has made today's sports safer from a cuts and bruises standpoint but there is no good way to stop a brain from crashing around inside the skull. The padding gives you a sense of protection from the impacts, even if there are no cuts, there will be bruises. And when I see two football players heat butt each other like wild rams, it makes me cringe. Head, brain and neck injuries. So with more protection the players can get more aggressive causing different injuries. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 19, 2013 Report Posted November 19, 2013 I think head injuries have always been a reality in contact sports. We are just more aware of them now than before. Back in the day people would tell you just to rub some dirt in it and walk it off. True, and what we know now about concussions from these kinds of sports has actually killed people. Quote
Mighty AC Posted November 19, 2013 Report Posted November 19, 2013 So with more protection the players can get more aggressive causing different injuries. Yes...and you can deliver a massive hit if your own body is protected. Hits aren't nearly as forceful if you also feel pain in the process of giving them. Don Cherry actually has a point about the armour hockey players wear these days. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
dre Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) Contact sports with pads are much tougher on the body, and especially the head, than those without. Better equipment has made today's sports safer from a cuts and bruises standpoint but there is no good way to stop a brain from crashing around inside the skull. Thats true, a lot of the things we do in the name of safety actually make things worse. All this armor makes people less carefull. Head injuries in hockey went up about 400% within a few years of making helmets mandatory. Then they added hard plastic shoulder and elbow pads, and that has made things even worse. This armor collides with the head with a lot more impact than old fassioned leather pads without hard plastic or kevlar armor on them, and the players wearing them are not as careful. Boxing is much more dangerous with big padded gloves than sports like MMA with just leather gloves. In MMA if a few big blows get landed the fight is over... it gets stopped because of cuts, or because one person wins. In boxing the fighters take hundreds of hard dull thuds, every fight. As for banning full contact sports, I dont agree with that at all. People have a right to take risks. Edited November 20, 2013 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bleeding heart Posted November 21, 2013 Report Posted November 21, 2013 Boxing is much more dangerous with big padded gloves than sports like MMA with just leather gloves. In MMA if a few big blows get landed the fight is over... it gets stopped because of cuts, or because one person wins. In boxing the fighters take hundreds of hard dull thuds, every fight. I've heard this too. Of course we have a poorer view of long-term effects for MMA...but even so, my understanding si that the differences are monumental. Boxing is an extremely dangerous sport. MMA...not so much. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Boges Posted November 21, 2013 Report Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) I've heard this too. Of course we have a poorer view of long-term effects for MMA...but even so, my understanding si that the differences are monumental. Boxing is an extremely dangerous sport. MMA...not so much. MMA is brutal but they're still just fighting for max 15-25 minutes (Of course there's also training and sparring) A boxing match goes on for hours. Also when someone gets knocked out, he doesn't get 10 seconds to get back up, the match is over. Edited November 21, 2013 by Boges Quote
GostHacked Posted November 21, 2013 Report Posted November 21, 2013 MMA is brutal but they're still just fighting for max 15-25 minutes (Of course there's also training and sparring) A boxing match goes on for hours. Also when someone gets knocked out, he doesn't get 10 seconds to get back up, the match is over. In both cases the contestants know the risks involved when taking part in the sport. Boxers know they are going to get hit after hit after hit after hit as with MMA or any other contact sport. I am no fan of MMA but I admire how the opponents respect each other and for the most part the fight is clean. The physical stamina to keep up with a few rounds of boxing or a 15 minute round of MMA is astounding. I recall doing a couple boxing rounds with a friend when I was a teen, we went 3 rounds two minutes each. My pal won, but we were both so freakin exhausted after. It takes a lot out of you. Quote
Boges Posted November 21, 2013 Report Posted November 21, 2013 In both cases the contestants know the risks involved when taking part in the sport. Boxers know they are going to get hit after hit after hit after hit as with MMA or any other contact sport. I am no fan of MMA but I admire how the opponents respect each other and for the most part the fight is clean. The physical stamina to keep up with a few rounds of boxing or a 15 minute round of MMA is astounding. I recall doing a couple boxing rounds with a friend when I was a teen, we went 3 rounds two minutes each. My pal won, but we were both so freakin exhausted after. It takes a lot out of you. All Fast-twitch muscle fibres and anaerobic cardio. It's like with Contact Football. Each play lasts for 10 seconds or so but the players are going all out each play. Quote
bleeding heart Posted November 21, 2013 Report Posted November 21, 2013 MMA is brutal but they're still just fighting for max 15-25 minutes (Of course there's also training and sparring) A boxing match goes on for hours. Also when someone gets knocked out, he doesn't get 10 seconds to get back up, the match is over. Yep, good points. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Jimmy Wilson Posted November 24, 2013 Report Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) MMA is brutal but they're still just fighting for max 15-25 minutes (Of course there's also training and sparring) A boxing match goes on for hours. Also when someone gets knocked out, he doesn't get 10 seconds to get back up, the match is over. uh...A championship fight goes no longer than 12 rounds... How does a 36 minute fight,assuming it goes the full 12 take "hours"?...12x3=36+12 (rest)=48 minutes...The math simply doesn't add up... Boxing is so detrimental to one's health because it is the most restrictive of all the martial arts because one can only punch above the belt and only with the pronated portion of the fist... When someone get's KO'd in a Marquess of Queensberry match,they are counted out...They don't get to get up... Edited November 24, 2013 by Jimmy Wilson Quote "Neo-conservativism,I think,is really the aggrandizement of selfishness.It's about me,only me,and after that,me.It's about only investing in things that produce a huge profit for yourself.It's NOT about society as a whole and it tends to be very insensitive to those people,who for one reason or another,have fallen beneath the poverty line and it's engaged in presumptions that these people are all poor because they are lazy.Neo-conservatives believe that fundamentally..." Senator Hugh Segal
Boges Posted November 25, 2013 Report Posted November 25, 2013 Hyperbole from me I suppose. Makes me wonder why anyone would spend $60 or so to pay for a championship boxing match on Pay-per-view that lasts for no more than an hour. In UFC the card is all quite compelling. Not so much in boxing. It's why UFC taking the younger crowd away from boxing. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 Never mind the concussions: what of all the people who watch football and get bored to death? Quote
Boges Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 Never mind the concussions: what of all the people who watch football and get bored to death? I assume you think we're talking about European Football and not American Football Quote
Black Dog Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 I assume you think we're talking about European Football and not American Football the brain-meltingly dull one where the ball is seldom touches the foot and where there's about 11 minutes of actual action in the course of a bloated three hour broadcast. No sense pretending American Football is actually exciting. It's boringness is a feature, not a bug. Quote
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