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True but he could nabbed at any point for the rest of his life.

How would that stop him from making chemical attacks now? In other words, how would that help his victims/would be victims? And who, exactly, would be doing the nabbing? And under what conditions?

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Nabbing him would be an illegal action in of itself. He is still the leader of Syria.

They could take a page out of Putin's handbook and poison him.

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How would that stop him from making chemical attacks now? In other words, how would that help his victims/would be victims? And who, exactly, would be doing the nabbing? And under what conditions?

So, you are wanting justice and yet asking how that would benefit the victims? The answer to the second part is .. the CIA can easily do it. Perhaps using Saudi or maybe Israeli intelligence to nab Assad. Why not grab a predator drone or two and take him or his family out like what happened in Libya against Gaddafi?

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How would that stop him from making chemical attacks now? In other words, how would that help his victims/would be victims? And who, exactly, would be doing the nabbing? And under what conditions?

It wouldnt stop him from using chemical weapons now, but none of the other options being discuss would either besides maybe this Russian deal.

As for how he would be nabbed thats hard to say. Hundreds of people have been tried with war crimes at the hague, who have been captured in all different kinds of ways.

And really the chemical weapons thing is just a drop in the buck anyways. 99% of the casualties in Syria were killed by bullets, bombs, mortars, knives, stones, etc.

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I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger

Guest American Woman
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So, you are wanting justice and yet asking how that would benefit the victims? The answer to the second part is .. the CIA can easily do it. Perhaps using Saudi or maybe Israeli intelligence to nab Assad. Why not grab a predator drone or two and take him or his family out like what happened in Libya against Gaddafi?

I'm asking how nabbing him some time in the future would help his would-be victims now. So no answer?

So now you think the U.S. is the one to do the job?? Without any military action? Makes one wonder why the CIA didn't just go into Iraq and nab Saddam.

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So, you are wanting justice and yet asking how that would benefit the victims? The answer to the second part is .. the CIA can easily do it. Perhaps using Saudi or maybe Israeli intelligence to nab Assad. Why not grab a predator drone or two and take him or his family out like what happened in Libya against Gaddafi?

Taking out Assad would not guarantee the end of chemical weapons use in the civil war anyways. And it might pave the way for someone much worse to come into power.

Best thing at this point is to follow up on the Russian deal, and try strip the Syrian government of these weapons, and then hope to hell that Assad wins this civil war.

I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger

Posted (edited)

Yep when in doubt raise the Joooooooooo conspiracy theory. Brilliant.

That's the best you have? A stale-dated anti-Semitic Jooooo conspiracy?

Dah JOOOOOOZ is behind it?

Dah JOOOOOOZ did it?

Pathetic.

What's pathetic is that you completely misread my post.

I was stating (with perfect clarity...for anyone not an illiterate) that the US is the boss of that particular relationship. Not Israel.

Of course, you'd have to read like a normal person, without waiting to pounce with a cowardly "anti-Semite" response.

Agree or disagree, what's anti-Semitic about that notion? Pray tell, Rue. Expose your wisdom.

Well, perhaps your remark to bud contains said insights:

Just pathetic you and Bleeding Heart trotting out that anti semite card.

Yeah...oh, wait. Bud and I completely disagreed on the point you take me to task for.

I think you should read more cautiously. Just sayin.'...

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“There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver."

--Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007

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What's pathetic is that you completely misread my post.

I was stating (with perfect clarity...for anyone not an illiterate) that the US is the boss of that particular relationship. Not Israel.

Of course, you'd have to read like a normal person, without waiting to pounce with a cowardly "anti-Semite" response.

Agree or disagree, what's anti-Semitic about that notion? Pray tell, Rue. Expose your wisdom.

Well, perhaps your remark to bud contains said insights:

Yeah...oh, wait. Bud and I completely disagreed on the point you take me to task for.

I think you should read more cautiously. Just sayin.'...

On a bright note, not one mention of Hitler!

I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger

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rue. you are wrong. alawites are a sect from shiites. they may have their own distinct characteristics, but they are considered a shiite sect, by, well, everyone but you.

there are many different sects in both sunni islam and shiite islam. alawites are a shiite sect.

i'm not sure why you are denying this simple fact, but i guess you have be rue, who, in the face of indisputable facts, will still deny.

here is more:

more?

You really are a putz and I mean that in the true and utter essence of the word putz. You not only have zero clue about Alawites and why they can not be Shiites but quote things you assume are accurate due to your ignorance. You need to wake up. Relying on wikepedia to pose as an authority on the Alawite religion is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic and no an Alawite is not a Shiite Muslim nor do they identify as Shiites. You would know that if you stopped relying on wikepedia and asked an Alawite or made an attempt to research their faith rather than rely on wikepedia.

A Muslim must follow the preachings of Muhammed. Alawites do not. They follow the preachings of Ali. There is a reason for that and why they do not follow the 5 sacred pillars of Islam another compulsory requirement of being a Muslim.

Run along Bud. The more you quote the more you prove you have not a clue about what you think you are quoting. Another arm chair genius whose vision of life comes from the wikepedia. Good Lord man, make an effort to at least go read something on Alawites and stop relying on wikepedia.

You prove what I have been spitting at on this forum for the years I have been on it. Arm chair putzes like you have no clue about Muslims, Alawites, Bahaiis. Jews Assyrians, Berbers, Kurds, Druze, the many Middle Eastern sects of Christians-you have zero clue of these people and why some identify as Arab, some as their state's nationality, some as both, some as Arab, Palestinian and Christian, Some as Arab and Israeli at the same time and so on.

Your world consists of retarded conceptualization based on erroneous assumptions and living in a cacoon of ignorance.

Until you get off your ass and learn to talk to the people you claim to understand Bud, all you are is a putz and you proved it yet again.

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So, you are wanting justice and yet asking how that would benefit the victims? The answer to the second part is .. the CIA can easily do it. Perhaps using Saudi or maybe Israeli intelligence to nab Assad. Why not grab a predator drone or two and take him or his family out like what happened in Libya against Gaddafi?

Or they could use radiation poisoning like Putin does. And then they could deny it, just like Putin. He's the guy you think is a "straight shooter" right?

Posted

On a bright note, not one mention of Hitler!

Dre you and Bleeding Heart and the other geniuses on this board rationalizing for Assad have made numerous posts concerning Israel and Jews in general. They speak for themselves and you bet I will call you and Bleeding Heart out. If he wants to trot out a Jew Lobby conspiracy theory I will throw it back in his face for what it is absolute and utter anti-semitic bullshit.

As for Putin and Assad, like Hitler they have no problems killing. They are sociopaths. Hitler came to power precisely because in his era there were no shortage of experts such as you and Bleeding Heart to deny what his agenda was and rationalize what he was doing as excellent because he made trains run on time.

Take your attempts at twisting what I say as uncalled for and shove it up your responsible tuchus. You spew it, I will throw it back right up your insincere comments.

Bleeding Heart knew exactly the intent of throwing out the Jew Lobby card as do the handful of you pathetic apologists who now come on the board to

defend Assad and try deny Hussein used gas and left a gas aresenal behind and try suggest we should not act when tyrants use gas because after all someone else will just come along and do the same thing. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant logic. Why arrest someone who commits murder since someone else will sooner or later as well. Brilliant logic Dre. Brilliant.

Now go giggle along with Bleeding Heart about Hitler and tyrants who use gas. tee hee. tee hee giggle. Hitler Assad. Tee hee.

Go on. Giggle at the concept of tyrants who use gas. Its fun.

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You really are a putz and I mean that in the true and utter essence of the word putz. You not only have zero clue about Alawites and why they can not be Shiites but quote things you assume are accurate due to your ignorance. You need to wake up. Relying on wikepedia to pose as an authority on the Alawite religion is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic and no an Alawite is not a Shiite Muslim nor do they identify as Shiites. You would know that if you stopped relying on wikepedia and asked an Alawite or made an attempt to research their faith rather than rely on wikepedia.

A Muslim must follow the preachings of Muhammed. Alawites do not. They follow the preachings of Ali. There is a reason for that and why they do not follow the 5 sacred pillars of Islam another compulsory requirement of being a Muslim.

Run along Bud. The more you quote the more you prove you have not a clue about what you think you are quoting. Another arm chair genius whose vision of life comes from the wikepedia. Good Lord man, make an effort to at least go read something on Alawites and stop relying on wikepedia.

You prove what I have been spitting at on this forum for the years I have been on it. Arm chair putzes like you have no clue about Muslims, Alawites, Bahaiis. Jews Assyrians, Berbers, Kurds, Druze, the many Middle Eastern sects of Christians-you have zero clue of these people and why some identify as Arab, some as their state's nationality, some as both, some as Arab, Palestinian and Christian, Some as Arab and Israeli at the same time and so on.

Your world consists of retarded conceptualization based on erroneous assumptions and living in a cacoon of ignorance.

Until you get off your ass and learn to talk to the people you claim to understand Bud, all you are is a putz and you proved it yet again.

you're losing it again rue.

the alwaites are shiites.

i can keep citing information beyond wikipedia, but i have a feeling that you're unable to show any integrity and admit that you're wrong. let's look at what the web site, discoveringislam.org has to say:

They are two separate groups, with totally different beliefs. The discussion on this page is only about the beliefs of the Arab Alawis. The Alawis of Syria & Lebanon follow Ibn Nusayr and are also known to be Nusayria. Many of their beliefs are very blasphemous from Islamic perspective. Their beliefs are probably the farthest away from Islam , compared to other Shia groups.

my original point, before you came in here with your misinformation, is that the iranian and syrian governments are seen as the enemies of the sunni arabs like the saudis and qataris. saudi arabia wants the majority sunnis of syria to rule syria. the sunni, shiite rivalry was also showcased during the iraq/iran war, where the minority saddam government ruled iraq.

the relationships between the muslim countries in the middle east and north africa are complicated, but one thing is certain, there is a rivalry between the sunnis and shiites. at the moment, the sunni governments (against the wishes of the majority of the people who realize that their governments are puppets, in one way or another), have succumbed to the west. the only countries who have not yet are syria and iran who are ruled by shiites.

Posted (edited)

Dre you and Bleeding Heart and the other geniuses on this board rationalizing for Assad have made numerous posts concerning Israel and Jews in general. They speak for themselves and you bet I will call you and Bleeding Heart out. If he wants to trot out a Jew Lobby conspiracy theory I will throw it back in his face for what it is absolute and utter anti-semitic bullshit.

You didn't comprehend my post. That's not my opinion, but a demonstrable fact. My point couldn't have been more clear, and is completely divorced from your inane assertions.

And that's giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming you aren't lying outright.

Let me generously try to help you out yet again:

I made exactly zero--zero!--remarks about "the Jew lobby." Nor did I hint at it in any way.

In fact, in response to Bud's assertion about Israel's influence, I contended that he had it wrong.

I contended that, so far as one nation has undue influence on another, it is the United States who is the boss.

You see? Not Israel; certainly not an organization like the Israeli lobby.

And again, whether a person agrees with me or not, there is nothing about "conspiracy" involved in my point; nothing about the lobby whatsoever.

And demonstrably nothing anti-Semitic in anything I said. You're so promiscuous with your use of the term that it blinds you to what other posters are actually saying. That's not my fault.

Take your attempts at twisting what I say as uncalled for and shove it up your responsible tuchus. You spew it, I will throw it back right up your insincere comments.

Considering that I've just now educated you on the way you've twisted what I've said (beyond recognition....almost to the opposite, in fact), this little rant takes some serious gall. Look in the mirror.

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“There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver."

--Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007

Posted

Dre you and Bleeding Heart and the other geniuses on this board rationalizing for Assad have made numerous posts concerning Israel and Jews in general. They speak for themselves and you bet I will call you and Bleeding Heart out. If he wants to trot out a Jew Lobby conspiracy theory I will throw it back in his face for what it is absolute and utter anti-semitic bullshit.

The jewish lobby in the USA is strong. It's not anti-semetic, it's a reality. If reality is anti-semetic to you, then it may be you who has the issue and not the other posters you complain of.

Bleeding Heart knew exactly the intent of throwing out the Jew Lobby card as do the handful of you pathetic apologists who now come on the board to defend Assad and try deny Hussein used gas and left a gas aresenal behind and try suggest we should not act when tyrants use gas because after all someone else will just come along and do the same thing. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant logic. Why arrest someone who commits murder since someone else will sooner or later as well. Brilliant logic Dre. Brilliant.

No one is denying Saddam Hussein used chemicals. There was no denying Assad had chemical weapons. The dispute is who really used them. The UN cannot even make a final statement on who did the attack. All they know is that there was an attack. Again I must point out that this is the THIRD attack. What happened with the other two red lines?

Now go giggle along with Bleeding Heart about Hitler and tyrants who use gas. tee hee. tee hee giggle. Hitler Assad. Tee hee.

Go on. Giggle at the concept of tyrants who use gas. Its fun.

Holy crap you run on and on and on.

Posted

Oh look I am back. I used the word PUTZ and was removed for a week for using abusive language. I

must apologize for using that word.

Now I see Bud responded to me and quoted something that actually confirms the Alawite religion is not the Shiite religion and yet that somehow is supposed to prove his point the two are the same. Interesting. As I stated and he has found out Alawites broke off from a branch of Shiite Islam but they are not Shiites at all. Not at all.They follow Ali not Muhammed. That should have made it obvious but I suppose it does not. He still believes you can be Muslim and not follow Muhammed or the 5 scared pillars of Islam. Interesting.

As for my other friend I see he feels I misquoted him and misunderstood him and rave and rant at him.

Gosh now. I am here to say kisses and hugs to all. :wub:

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Bud responded to me and quoted something that actually confirms the Alawite religion is not the Shiite religion

eh? where in the quote is your fantasy confirmed? post the quote and highlight 'where' in the quote it says that the alawites are not shiites. that's all you need to do. just quote it and show where.

They follow Ali not Muhammed.

you don't know what you're typing. they accept muhammed to be their prophet. if you believe otherwise and have something to back it up, all you need to do is show some citations. all the major shiite groups in islam accept the alawites as shiites, but you, apparently, have more authority than they do.

i realize that you have some kind of an issue when it comes to facts and will work tirelessly by typing non-stop, but i do challenge you to give some cites to prove any of your fiction.

here are some links that will help with your inner challenge to accept the facts that alawites not only consider themselves as shiites but other major shiite groups do as well:

Syria: Identity Crisis

Musa Sadr and Alawites

Syria’s Alawis and Shi‘ism

Syria's Nusayri Side and Iran

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Posted (edited)

As for my other friend I see he feels I misquoted him and misunderstood him and rave and rant at him.

How I feel about it is not the issue. I demonstrated that you objectively misunderstood what I said.

Go back to my "offending" post and re-read it. And then you'll see. It's post 116.

In fact, I will generously help you out:

Bud made some remarks about the power of the Israel lobby.

I responded to him,

I think you've gotten who is the boss and who is the client state rather mixed up.

Which you somehow misread as a "conspiracy theory" against "the JOOOOOS!" ....with, apparently, clear anti-Semitic overtones.

How you got from my notion--that the US holds the primary influence, not Israel--to anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about too-powerful Jewish people...well, I doubt anyone could parse that one out.

Edited by bleeding heart

“There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver."

--Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007

Posted

How I feel about it is not the issue. I demonstrated that you objectively misunderstood what I said.

Go back to my "offending" post and re-read it. And then you'll see. It's post 116.

In fact, I will generously help you out:

Bud made some remarks about the power of the Israel lobby.

I responded to him,

Which you somehow misread as a "conspiracy theory" against "the JOOOOOS!" ....with, apparently, clear anti-Semitic overtones.

How you got from my notion--that the US holds the primary influence, not Israel--to anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about too-powerful Jewish people...well, I doubt anyone could parse that one out.

Lol so you are stating AIPAC is not a JOO Lobby that controls US foreign policy is that correct? Just so I know can you clarify that because I could swear in other posts you have inferred that. I just want you to clarify that please so I can agree with you and clear up any dispute.

Posted

Lol so you are stating AIPAC is not a JOO Lobby that controls US foreign policy is that correct? Just so I know can you clarify that because I could swear in other posts you have inferred that. I just want you to clarify that please so I can agree with you and clear up any dispute.

Yes, I am definitely stating that AIPAC doesn't control US policy, not even close, and I've always said this. I've never implied otherwise; in fact, the ONLY times I've mentioned the lobby was to disagree with this or that poster about its alleged tremendous power. That's it.

Which is why I was so baffled about your reading of my view...my view is literally the near-opposite of what you perceived.

But AIPAC controlling the United States?

Honestly, the idea seems illogical on its face. The US and Israel align in certain ways on policy...but this is not because of some undue influence of the Jewish State. It's a geopolitical matter, not a Lobby matter.

Further still, like I've always said, I think the US exerts more influence on Israel than the other way 'round. Whether their influence is good, bad, or a combination, I don't feel knowledgeable enough to say, personally.

And even if I'm wrong about that, there's plainly nothing about Jewish conspiracy or whatnot to my perception of it. Hell, the US exerts a lot of influence on Canadian policy (see my sig). That doesn't make me anti-Canadian, I don't think.

“There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver."

--Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007

Posted

eh? where in the quote is your fantasy confirmed? post the quote and highlight 'where' in the quote it says that the alawites are not shiites. that's all you need to do. just quote it and show where.

you don't know what you're typing. they accept muhammed to be their prophet. if you believe otherwise and have something to back it up, all you need to do is show some citations. all the major shiite groups in islam accept the alawites as shiites, but you, apparently, have more authority than they do.

i realize that you have some kind of an issue when it comes to facts and will work tirelessly by typing non-stop, but i do challenge you to give some cites to prove any of your fiction.

here are some links that will help with your inner challenge to accept the facts that alawites not only consider themselves as shiites but other major shiite groups do as well:

Syria: Identity Crisis

Musa Sadr and Alawites

Syria’s Alawis and Shi‘ism

Syria's Nusayri Side and Iran

eh? where in the quote is your fantasy confirmed? post the quote and highlight 'where' in the quote it says that the alawites are not shiites. that's all you need to do. just quote it and show where.

Here you go Bud:

"The Alawis of Syria & Lebanon follow Ibn Nusayr and are also known to be Nusayria. Many of their beliefs are very blasphemous from Islamic perspective. Their beliefs are probably the farthest away from Islam"

Bud I will repeat it one last time because this is hilarious. Alawites do not follow the teachings of Muhammed.

They follow the teachings of a relative called Ali

They do not follow the 5 sacred pillars of Islam.

They broke off from the Shiites. They are no more Shiites than Christians are Jews just because Christians evolved from Jews.

The Alawite religion also incorporates much paganism and astrology two components Islam rejects.

Alawites are also referred to as Nusayris because of their first leader.

The term Alawis came about Bud because it literally means "followers of Ali,".

Unlike Shiite Muslims they do NOT I repeat again Bud DO NOT follow Ali as God.

Alawis have been influenced by Byzantine Christianity and this is why they celebrate Christmas, Easter, and Epiphany, and use sacramental wine in some ceremonies and no Bud Muslims do not do that.

Bud have you even read what you quote? It was in the eleventh century a religious leader, th eShi'a Imam al-Hasan al-Askari originated much of the preachings, then his star pupil Ibn Nusayr followed him which is why they are also called Nusayris, (followers of Nusayr). They were also influenced by Ismaili Islam NOT Shiite Islam.

There are now 4 four Alawi collectives or cells which in turn are broken down into groups (tribes) called the Kalbiyah, Khaiyatin, Haddadin, and Matawirah. None of them agree with one another as to how to practice their faith and no none of them practice Shiite Islam as Shiites do anymore than Christians practice Judaism because some of their gospels are actually based on lessons from the Talmud preached by Jesus.

No they are not Muslim Shiite or otherwise because at least 3 of their doctrines are rejected by Islam.

One of those doctrines is incarnation or the concept that God can be made in the flesh and so created case of Ali who is then said to have created Muhammad, who is then said to have created Salman, the early Shi'ite saint. This doctrine sees the three as a trinity with Ali described as the "Meaning"; Muhammad, whom Ali created of his own light referred to as te "Name"; and Salman referred to as the "Gate."

Islam does not believe in the above.

Alawi pray the following statement, "I testify that there is no God but Ali,".

A Muslim only believes there is Allah as God, and that only Muhammed can say what Allah or God believes or stated.

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The second belief of Alawites that is necessarily considered blasphemy by Islam is that Alwaites reject the Qur'an.

So for you to call them Muslim Bud is hilarious.

Yes they rejected as well all the traditional prayers associated with Sunni teachings but they rejected the Koran as well so they can't be Shiite. Its impossible to be Shiite and reject the Koran.

The five pillars of Islam as I stated are not followed as is followed by Muslims and so that too makes it impossible for them to be Muslim.

When they read the 5 pillars of Islam they only seem them as non binding, non divine (not the words of Allah as Muslims believe) and simply allegories.

Alawites also believe in reincarnation which Muslims absolutely reject as a concept.

Alawites also believe women do not have souls and are not reincarnated so only men are so please Bud given your reasoning don't call them Hindu as well.

Alawites believe we reincarnate several times and that we must undergo transformation seven times before we can return to take or place among the stars, where they say Ali is the prince. Not exactly Islam Bud and you would know that if you read what the religion is about.

Oh by the way Bud. Alawites believe if one is not "faithful" enough, they just might be reborn as Christians, where they must remain until atonement is complete. How about you Bud is your atonement complete?

Now see a Jew like me Bud being an "infidel" will be reborn as an animal.

Sunni Muslims have never regarded Alawites as Muslims and consider them infidel This the war between the two. Some not all Alawis refer to themselves as Muslims but not even Shiite Muslims call them that.

While the leader of the Twelver Shi'as in Lebanon, "Imam" Musa Sadr, at one point endorsed their claim to being Muslims mainstream Shiite Islam does not and this endorsement came about as a political manouver so that Iran and Hezbollah could rationalize being Shiite Muslim entities but support a non Shiite Muslim entity.

It was a political move because Hezbollah and Iran saw the Alawites of Syria the logical ally to fight the Sunni Muslims in both Lebanon and Syria.

Now Bud you can misquote or take out of context all the quotes you want including the above one that renders your assertions laughable, but it won't change what Alawites are or make them Muslim. There are blatant differences.

You might also want to ask yourself why no Iranian Imam in Iran has ever commented on whether Alawites are Shiites. They can't. They need them as allies. It would be an embarrassment to call them heretics.

Posted (edited)

Yes, I am definitely stating that AIPAC doesn't control US policy, not even close, and I've always said this. I've never implied otherwise; in fact, the ONLY times I've mentioned the lobby was to disagree with this or that poster about its alleged tremendous power. That's it.

Which is why I was so baffled about your reading of my view...my view is literally the near-opposite of what you perceived.

But AIPAC controlling the United States?

Honestly, the idea seems illogical on its face. The US and Israel align in certain ways on policy...but this is not because of some undue influence of the Jewish State. It's a geopolitical matter, not a Lobby matter.

Further still, like I've always said, I think the US exerts more influence on Israel than the other way 'round. Whether their influence is good, bad, or a combination, I don't feel knowledgeable enough to say, personally.

And even if I'm wrong about that, there's plainly nothing about Jewish conspiracy or whatnot to my perception of it. Hell, the US exerts a lot of influence on Canadian policy (see my sig). That doesn't make me anti-Canadian, I don't think.

Then I openly and categorically and absolutely agree with your statement and apologize for misconstruing past posts or the one you have referred to. I repeat again I openly, categorically, absolutely, with no reservations, conditions or yah buts, apologize.

Further to what you said I believe one theory that might explain why AIPAC is given a lot more credit for influence then what it really has is because it tries to aligns its interests with the military industrial complex lobby and when it can get its interests to coincide with those of the military industrial complex, its actually the military industrial complex lobby and agenda that prevails but it appears its AIPAC doing the influencing.

I would contend this is precisely why Israel has become a military technology state and an extension of the US military industrial complex.

By being a trusted ally of US military interests, it exists.

I think if it did not align itself in this matter, it would no longer exist.

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Posted (edited)

Then I openly and categorically and absolutely agree with your statement and apologize for misconstruing past posts or the one you have referred to. I repeat again I openly, categorically, absolutely, with no reservations, conditions or yah buts, apologize.

Very gracious, Rue, in fact disarming. Thanks.

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“There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver."

--Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007

Posted (edited)

Dre you and Bleeding Heart and the other geniuses on this board rationalizing for Assad have made numerous posts concerning Israel and Jews in general.

Nope, not one single time ever... This is the same kinda thing as your lies about "all my posts" denying that Israel has the right to exist. If you actually knew of any such posts, you would link to them, but you know full well they dont exist.

Its really no different than if I proclaimed "Rue has a history of posting about his attraction to young boys" but refused to provide any links.

This kind of dishonesty is just a habit for you, sort like jumping up and down screaming "HITLER! NAZIS! GOEBELS!". They call that nazi turrets http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d2a_1273833689

You can keep pretending all you want, but you know who you are and what you are. :)

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I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger

Posted (edited)

You might also want to ask yourself why no Iranian Imam in Iran has ever commented on whether Alawites are Shiites. They can't. They need them as allies. It would be an embarrassment to call them heretics.

Do you just make this stuff up?

Ayatollah Khomeini thinks the Alawites are Shiites. And Musa al-Sadr head if the Supreme Islamic Shi'ite Council also proclaimed the Alawites are Shia and even appointed an Alawite mufti to the twelvers. There ARE some shia that consider Alawites to be both non shia and non muslims but this is an orthodox view that is not held by everyone.

Sorta like this catholic that doesnt consider protestants to be Christian... http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html

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Yes, I am definitely stating that AIPAC doesn't control US policy,

of course they don't control u.s. policy. but they do have a strong say in u.s. foreign policy. this is mostly due the number of u.s. congressmen and senators they give heavy donations to. i could post the amount of money some of these politicians make from AIPAC and their reason for advocating AIPAC's agenda, but we're mostly seasoned political analysts and already know it.

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