What to do with Canada Post?

hitops · January 7, 2014

Millionnaires leaving France by the Peugeot full - any evidence??

Actually the law hasn't even been finalized yet, and they were leaving even when it was proposed. When it comes into effect, obviously this trend will increase.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9404209/Frances-proposed-tax-hikes-spark-exodus-of-wealthy.html

Scandanvia is corruption free becasue it is "white" - LOL evidence for this correlation????

As for your other points, you are the only one making them, not me. When you have something other than a strawman to represent my point, I can respond.

Edited January 7, 2014 by hitops

Wilber · January 7, 2014

What a difference a year makes. According to the Mercer pension index, 40% of Canadian defined benifit plans are now fully funded compared to 6% at the beginning of the year.

Boges · January 8, 2014

Slow Clap Canada Post.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/01/06/canada_post_skips_200_thornhill_homes_for_two_weeks_over_holidays.html

More than 200 townhomes in a Thornhill housing complex were left with empty mailboxes for two weeks over the holidays, after Canada Post failed to staff the vacationing carriers route.

While the Crown corporation promised that delivery to the group of homes at Bayview Ave. and John St. would resume Monday, frustrated residents anxiously awaiting cheques and bills from Christmas purchases were left wondering why they had to wait so long to get their mail.

Robert Appel was waiting for an important document that would grant him legal authority over his incapacitated mothers finances.

My Quebec notary foolishly thought that Canada Post was the safest way to send key legal documents relating to my mother, who is in a hospital in Montreal, he said. They are signed by a judge and hard to replace.

Learie Charles, grievance officer for the Canadian Union of Postal Workers local that includes Thornhill, said the carrier would have notified management of his vacation plans months in advance, giving the corporation ample time to find a replacement.

Its becoming a feature not replacing workers in a timely manner with a relief worker, Charles said. Its a trend that has been going on in the staffing of absences, in the context of what is going on generally at Canada Post in terms of saving money.

Boges · October 27, 2015

So now that JT is in Canada Post has decided to halt the move away from door-to-door Mail delivery.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-post-community-mailbox-1.3289647

Canada Post is suspending the conversion of door-to-door delivery to community mailboxes.

In a news release issued late Monday, Canada Post spokeswoman Anick Losier said the corporation will work "collaboratively" with the government of Canada to determine the best path forward given the challenges in the postal system.

"Efforts are now underway to place the comprehensive program on hold in an orderly fashion," Losier said in the release. "This involves roughly 460,000 addresses across the country which are currently in the process to be converted to community mailboxes."

Outgoing Transport Minister Lisa Raitt, whose portfolio includes Canada Post, said the corporation makes decisions independent of government.
'Arm's-length Crown corporation'
"They are an arm's-length Crown corporation and take their own operational decisions," Raitt told CBC News. "But they also have a statutory obligation to operate self-sufficiently, and if they are not then I expect they will be held accountable."

Canadian Union of Postal Workers national president Mike Palecek said members are "ecstatic" about the news.

Will JT boost Canada Posts budget to prop up this anachronistic service? And what of the people that have been moved to Community boxes already?

Smeelious · October 27, 2015

So now that JT is in Canada Post has decided to halt the move away from door-to-door Mail delivery.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-post-community-mailbox-1.3289647

Will JT boost Canada Posts budget to prop up this anachronistic service? And what of the people that have been moved to Community boxes already?

I would assume in the end that it'll continue eventually. Jt already has too much on his plate to make this a priority

cybercoma · October 27, 2015

Will JT boost Canada Posts budget to prop up this anachronistic service? And what of the people that have been moved to Community boxes already?

Your second question is answered in the article.

Your first question is answered on Canada Post's books. They're currently profitable.

Edited October 27, 2015 by cybercoma

Big Guy · October 27, 2015

There are benefits to both methods of mail distribution. I would say stay with door to door if the discussion was just beginning. But now, that $millions have already been committed to building, installing and cementing in these boxes, I would agree with keeping them in place.

Our area just converted to the boxes and we have yet to experience a winter. Lots of snow on this North Shore of Lake Erie and many boxes are in place in areas with no sidewalks.

Is there an in-between solution? Perhaps a community is polled and if the majority wants door to door they are charged a nominal extra charge?

G Huxley · October 27, 2015

Keep door to door deliver, end delivering junk mail.

Edited October 27, 2015 by G Huxley

Argus · October 27, 2015

Keep door to door deliver, end delivering junk mail.

What's this keep business? Millions of Canadians have never had door to door delivery. Why should others get it and they don't?

G Huxley · October 27, 2015

Well I don't think it's necessary for Canada post to deliver to the door of a guy liviing in a hut on an iceberg.

69cat · October 27, 2015

As i understand it, any house in Canada built after 1985 has community boxes. I know Regina has been that way. I had delivery to my door for about 8 years, rest of my life it is off to the community box or to the post office. But JT thinks it should not be that way, maybe everyone in Canada should get door to door if it is that critical for JT to stop the program.

Smallc · October 27, 2015

I was fine not having door to door delivery...but then I never did.

Topaz · October 27, 2015

To make it easier on Canadians especially the seniors, why can't they have home delivery from Nov1-May1st then those community boxes take over, except for those who have a disability, they get home delivery.

The_Squid · October 27, 2015

So now that JT is in Canada Post has decided to halt the move away from door-to-door Mail delivery.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-post-community-mailbox-1.3289647

Will JT boost Canada Posts budget to prop up this anachronistic service? And what of the people that have been moved to Community boxes already?

Canadapost made a profit of $269 million in 2014.

Why would they need an increase in their budget?

69cat · October 27, 2015

Why does the change to community boxes need to stop? 2/3 of Canadians do not have service to their door, and that includes seniors. And those of us who pick up our mail do not get a reduced rate for postal services.

poochy · October 28, 2015

Well I don't think it's necessary for Canada post to deliver to the door of a guy liviing in a hut on an iceberg.

What a bigoted remark, you know there are many millions of Canadians who don't live on icebergs, or say, in the GTA etc. who never, ever had mail delivery. But they don't count I guess, most of them live...in a rural area, ick.

Bonam · October 28, 2015

Door to door delivery is not needed. People can get off their asses and get some exercise walking to their community mailbox. For those few (disabled, immobile seniors, etc) that are unable to do that, separate arrangements can be made without keeping a system that is otherwise unnecessary.

Canada_First · October 28, 2015

Restore door to door for everyone in the nation. The postal workers want more money then it's time they work for it.

Boges · October 28, 2015

Canada Post now wants to do banking for people. :lol:

segnosaur · October 28, 2015

To make it easier on Canadians especially the seniors, why can't they have home delivery from Nov1-May1st then those community boxes take over, except for those who have a disability, they get home delivery.

Probably because its impractical.

So, you want home delivery for only half the year... what will happen to all those letter carriers in the summer months? Are you going to keep paying them full salaries or lay them off? (I doubt Canada post will have enough alternate work to keep them employed.)

So every fall, you have to re-hire a group of letter carriers (with whatever overhead that entails, with things like background checks, payroll setup, etc..)

Boges · October 28, 2015

Probably because its impractical.

So, you want home delivery for only half the year... what will happen to all those letter carriers in the summer months? Are you going to keep paying them full salaries or lay them off? (I doubt Canada post will have enough alternate work to keep them employed.)

So every fall, you have to re-hire a group of letter carriers (with whatever overhead that entails, with things like background checks, payroll setup, etc..)

I mentioned this in this thread already.

If you live in a single family home that get home delivery, you would either have have the ability to do physical tasks around the house or the means to hire someone to assist you to do those tasks. And if that's the case then picking up mail from a Community Box shouldn't be such a big deal.

segnosaur · October 28, 2015

Canadapost made a profit of $269 million in 2014.

Why would they need an increase in their budget?

This was discussed in a previous thread involving Canada post and home delivery.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24002-stephen-harper-taking-away-door-to-door-postal-service/

The same basic arguments apply here as they did before.

While Canada Post as a whole is turning a profit, often those profits are due to its parcel delivery service; home delivery tends to operate at a loss. And any rational company would never expect one area of its business to subsidize failing areas of its business indefinitely.

A couple of other notes:

Even though they turned a profit in 2014, they had an operating loss the previous year. So looking at just one year and saying "everything is A-OK" is a bit... questionable.

It should also be noted that in other years, Canada post has managed to turn a profit not through its general operations, but by selling off unneeded buildings, a business model that is not sustainable.

segnosaur · October 28, 2015

I mentioned this in this thread already.

If you live in a single family home that get home delivery, you would either have have the ability to do physical tasks around the house or the means to hire someone to assist you to do those tasks. And if that's the case then picking up mail from a Community Box shouldn't be such a big deal.

Oh, I completely and totally agree. I was just responding to a previous poster's suggestion of "why not offer door to door delivery in winter".

segnosaur · October 28, 2015

Keep door to door deliver, end delivering junk mail.

So let me get this straight....

You want to keep an expensive door-to-door service, but also eliminate junk mail, an aspect of Canada Post's business that probably brings in a significant source of revenue.

Ultimately you want high costs and low income.

And you don't see any problem with that?

69cat · October 28, 2015

I see lots of valid reasons to continue to do away with home delivery but no valid reasons to keep it. Yet Trudeau has halted the program. I saw again yesterday the Montreal mayor eagerly jackhammering a mailbox pad and am sure i saw the same footage during the campaign, the story line being the CPC was wrong to put people into the community mailbox system.