Behold,Justin T./liberal hypocrosy in all its glory!

[waldo]

It's an interesting fact that reasonably contradicts his claim.

This excerpt,(from your on point link), hangs him in the eyes of any reasonable person. A lie by omission?

"Justin Trudeaus claim that he has never charged anyone a single penny while speaking as an MP, has been leapt upon by the Conservatives, who say he was paid $20,000 to speak at a conference three years ago alongside representatives from the NDP and Conservative party, who were not paid."

you're referring to word-crafting/spin originating from a Toronto Sun article: speaking in the role of an MP... a political speech, politically motivated, versus speaking as a, for example, fundraiser... motivational speaker... etc.

Liberal leader Justin Trudeau says he wasn't wearing his MP hat when he accepted paid speaking gigs. "While speaking as an MP, I've never charged anyone a single penny," he told a crowd in Oakville Thursday where he made an appearance at the Operating Engineers Training Institute of Ontario.

"That's the issue that people stumble over. Any work that I did when hired by charities to make a fundraiser successful was completely separate from my role and identity as an MP."

Many MPs make a secondary income on top of their parliamentary salaries.

Of the 306 MPs currently sitting in Parliament who have filed income disclosures, analysis of the public registry shows more than 121 declared some kind of additional income including some 68 Conservatives, 35 New Democrats, 14 Liberals

[Topaz]

you're referring to word-crafting/spin originating from a Toronto Sun article: speaking in the role of an MP... a political speech, politically motivated, versus speaking as a, for example, fundraiser... motivational speaker... etc.

That I don't understand why? Isn't $160,000 plus benefits isn't enough for them? I wonder what amount of income tax they pay making all that money? I can understand housewives needing the money, they probably don't have an outside income.

[WWWTT]

per you link:

Also per the link that I provided

Hmmm. The operative words in Ms. Dawson’s ruling seem to me to be “on its own.”

Being listed as “Justin Trudeau MP” on its own would not constitute grounds for complaint. But it was not on its own and neither was he — he spoke at a conference that featured “key federal politicians,” according to the OPSEU release.

Reasonable people in the audience must have concluded he was the Liberal party speaker in a political triumvirate and that he was espousing the Liberal party line on youth and the environment.

To me it sounds like Mary Dawson errored.

Either way,I doubt Justin will be getting many offers to speak anymore (he got greedy and it's going to cost him).

And this issue is growing legs and getting bigger.

WWWTT

[PIK]

Also per the link that I provided

Hmmm. The operative words in Ms. Dawson’s ruling seem to me to be “on its own.”

Being listed as “Justin Trudeau MP” on its own would not constitute grounds for complaint. But it was not on its own and neither was he — he spoke at a conference that featured “key federal politicians,” according to the OPSEU release.

Reasonable people in the audience must have concluded he was the Liberal party speaker in a political triumvirate and that he was espousing the Liberal party line on youth and the environment.

To me it sounds like Mary Dawson errored.

Either way,I doubt Justin will be getting many offers to speak anymore (he got greedy and it's going to cost him).

And this issue is growing legs and getting bigger.

WWWTT

After more reading , you are right mary made a huge mistake. And it is very simple, JT spoke to a union as a MP while the NDP and conservative were paid nothing, and is JT not voting for the union against the goverment in some motion???

[BubberMiley]

What a surprise! Now the PMO ordered interns to protest Trudeau. Once again, I'm sure it's safe to assume Harper continues to have no idea what is going on in his office.

[The_Squid]

The PMO is behaving in a truly disgusting manner unbecoming of the office of Prime Minister. Either they are doing the bidding of Harper, or he is so incompetent that he has lost control of his own staff.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/06/25/kelly-mcparland-pmo-sends-phony-protesters-to-trudeau-appearance-in-another-display-of-amateur-hour/

If not for repeated antics like this, Canadians might be forgiven for assuming the PMO was a serious-minded place filled with mature, experienced professionals lending their skills to the important business of running the country.

[scribblet]

Oh boo hoo, really - cry me a river. Of course the research done by the liberals to identify the people was using taxpayer's money, cos the party research offices are funded by the taxpayers. So the Liberals can hardly complain about Conservatives using taxpayer’s money for partisan activities when they are doing the same thing. Only the diehard partisans will debate the minutia of those issues but really, at the end of it all the average Canadian saw the protest and will likely remember only that.

BTW, anyone remember the Liberal "Truth Squads"

Edited June 26, 2013 by scribblet

[BubberMiley]

I agree. Canadians who expect taxpayer-funded government offices to focus on the business of government should have a cry and vote for a different party.

[waldo]

Oh boo hoo, really - cry me a river. Of course the research done by the liberals to identify the people was using taxpayer's money, cos the party research offices are funded by the taxpayers. So the Liberals can hardly complain about Conservatives using taxpayers money for partisan activities when they are doing the same thing.

don't forget the Media Party too!!! As for complaints, I'm reading those speaking to an improper partisan use of the Office of the Prime Minister... apparently, that office is not the Office of the Conservative Party of Canada - go figure.

Liberal party researchers and journalists identified several participants in the demonstration

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Only the diehard partisans will debate the minutia of those issues but really, at the end of it all the average Canadian saw the protest and will likely remember only that.

well then - job well done Prime Minister's Office Conservative Party of Canada Office!

BTW, anyone remember the Liberal "Truth Squads"

did a googly... didn't find anything - were they a part of a Liberal government PMO?

[BubberMiley]

I would love to see a cite indicating a time when any other party turned the PMO into such a craven political office.

I would also love to know how I'm a die-hard partisan Liberal when I fully plan on voting for Mulcair and the NDP.

[scribblet]

I would love to see a cite indicating a time when any other party turned the PMO into such a craven political office.

I would also love to know how I'm a die-hard partisan Liberal when I fully plan on voting for Mulcair and the NDP.

Where did I say you were a die-hard partisan Liberal ?

Liberal truth squads sent by Pearson

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/featured/election-of-1963

They had plenty of ideas, but Dief was so good at theatrics that the Liberals resorted to their own. Pearson sent one of his lieutenants, Judy LaMarsh, to shadow the Conservative chief and expose his falsehoods and contradictions. The prime minister’s response was to make her part of his platform routine.

[BubberMiley]

They had plenty of ideas, but Dief was so good at theatrics that the Liberals resorted to their own. Pearson sent one of his lieutenants, Judy LaMarsh, to shadow the Conservative chief and expose his falsehoods and contradictions. The prime minister’s response was to make her part of his platform routine.

All you've got was a nearly 50-year-old incident where Pearson, not yet Prime Minister, sent one of his people to watch, not protest, a rally during an election campaign? Are you completely unaware of what you're talking about or just hoping everyone else is? Edited June 26, 2013 by BubberMiley

[Topaz]

Always, when the Tories are caught doing something they shouldn't, they turn the tables and say, "well, the Liberals did it"!. Well, guess what, TWO wrongs, don't make it right and Canadians are over tired of their schemes and scams. I realize they are really running scared because we do have two stronger opposition leaders and with that fact, we'll see just how low they Tories will go to win.

[BubberMiley]

Well, guess what, TWO wrongs, don't make it right and Canadians are over tired of their schemes and scams.

I'm not aware of any time in history where a Canadian PMO has focused its energy on engineering partisan attacks. So one wrong is particularly wrong.

[Topaz]

I'm not aware of any time in history where a Canadian PMO has focused its energy on engineering partisan attacks. So one wrong is particularly wrong.

Well, those interns weren't hired to be protestors towards opposition parties, were they?? Knowing the Tories,..... maybe they were.

[scribblet]

All you've g...............

You asked for an instance of a PMO engineered partisan and I gave you one. The observer was sent after they had to pull the squad, because of problems with the squad being 'misunderstood' and all. So yea, two wrongs don't make a right, but naturally die hard partisans wouldn't admit that other parties get up to partisan antics all the time. So - whatever,

[BubberMiley]

You asked for an instance of a PMO engineered partisan and I gave you one.

Please explain how it was engineered by the PMO when Pearson wasn't prime minister at the time.

but naturally die hard partisans wouldn't admit that other parties get up to partisan antics all the time.

Once again, "parties" are created to get up to partisan antics. Governments are not. The PMO is the central engine of government. This is unprecedented and extremely sleazy. Maybe you'll realize just how bad this is once you come around to understand the difference between parties and government. Edited June 26, 2013 by BubberMiley

[GostHacked]

I agree. Canadians who expect taxpayer-funded government offices to focus on the business of government should have a cry and vote for a different party.

Well, this worked so well in the past right?

[guyser]

Oh boo hoo, really - cry me a river.

As the article says, one can only laugh at the stupidity of the PMO.

Well...unless you want to dig up something from 50 years ago and everyone involved is dead.

[BubberMiley]

Well...unless you want to dig up something from 50 years ago and everyone involved is dead.

Not only that, it happened during the election campaign before Pearson was even in the PMO.

But particularly interesting is the media reaction to this event which is...crickets. It must be hard to cry that the media is out to get you when the media is in your back pocket.

[scribblet]

Of course there was a media reaction at the time, there are more links to articles talking about it...

Of course it’s okay for Liberal party researchers to use their taxpayer funded partisan Liberal research bureau to write a partisan story about taxpayer-funded Conservative partisans - protesting a previous story about a taxpayer-funded politician’s transparency pledge that happens to leave out his private business of raising money from taxpayer-funded charities.

And someone else posing with tax payer funded partisans...

Edited June 26, 2013 by scribblet

[guyser]

Gosh, which one of them was in the PMO as PM ?

[BubberMiley]

Of course there was a media reaction at the time, there are more links to articles talking about it...

I will take that as a concession that you could not find an equivalent example of such a craven, partisan PMO in Canadian history.

[cybercoma]

Liberal truth squads sent by Pearson

Are you really pulling out Pearson and Diefenbaker references? That's pretty sad that you have to go back to an election that happened half a century ago to make your point that "it's ok because the Liberals did it too!"

[cybercoma]

All you've got was a nearly 50-year-old incident where Pearson, not yet Prime Minister, sent one of his people to watch, not protest, a rally during an election campaign? Are you completely unaware of what you're talking about or just hoping everyone else is?

Yahtzee!