roy baty Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Now the neocons aren't using anti-semite, because it doesn't make sense so its anti-jew now. Yeah any criticism of Israel's actions = anti-jew. We should all just cheer lead everything Israel does. If Israel attacks sovereign nations. That's great! If Israel kills innocent people that's great! If Israel treats much of its claimed citizens as subhumans that's great! No, just the continuous demonization of Isreal by your type and little if any criticism of the true problems in the middle east that completely surround the only democracy in that region is what is ridiculous. Somehow the twilight zone seems far more rational than whatever zone you anti-Israel liberals live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Now the neocons aren't using anti-semite, because it doesn't make sense so its anti-jew now. Yeah any criticism of Israel's actions = anti-jew. In the twilight zone that is... Interesting choice, given that Rod Serling was raised in a Jewish family and was a WW2 army veteran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 We should all just cheer lead everything Israel does. If Israel attacks sovereign nations. That's great! If Israel kills innocent people that's great! If Israel treats much of its claimed citizens as subhumans that's great! What if Israel lets the column through unmolested, Hezbollah attacks a sovereign nation, and kills innocent people? Is that great? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 That's the problem Roy with your type and Bush Cheney (lol) You can't even understand the difference between being critical of Israel's actions and being anti-Jewish. You have such an utterly simplistic view of the world that hell you might even vote for Bush/Cheney. You are so ignorant about the region on top of that Roy that you actually think Israel is the only democracy in the region!!!! Hello look at Turkey, which in the 20th century was actually more secular than Israel (which treats much of its claimed inhabitants as third rate not even citizens.) I'll bet none of you have ever been to the region. Your whole perspective of the region is based on the 'stuff' (euphemism) you regurgitate from third hand resources. You have no idea of what the reality is like on the ground there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 What if Israel lets the column through unmolested, Hezbollah attacks a sovereign nation, and kills innocent people? Is that great? Israel has the ability to shoot down any rocket fired at it, with the Iron Dome. Israel's attack was not prophylactic. Israel's attack was simply to frighten Syria, which is already in chaos. In other words it was a murderous terror attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 ...I'll bet none of you have ever been to the region. Your whole perspective of the region is based on the 'stuff' (euphemism) you regurgitate from third hand resources. You have no idea of what the reality is like on the ground there. Wrong again.....and the reality is far more meaningful to Israel than you or I. Israel will protect its interests by any means necessary, and it will be supported by other nations in the process. Deal with it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Realy Bush/Cheney? So tell us about your having seen the region. Where do you get your stellar information on the region?Protecting one's interests by any means possible is simply unacceptable. Germany claimed it was just protecting its interests when it was invading and annexing nations left right and center in the 30s and 40s, an idea which went back to Bismarck's statement, "We have no friends, we have no enemies, we have only interests."The Nuremberg Trial showed that just protecting interests and following orders is not a defense for the violation of international law and for murder. Edited May 7, 2013 by Lenny_Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Israel has the ability to shoot down any rocket fired at it, with the Iron Dome. Israel's attack was not prophylactic. Israel's attack was simply to frighten Syria, which is already in chaos. In other words it was a murderous terror attack. Are you seriously saying that Israel should forego an opportunity to prevent attacks from occurring because it has a method of defending itself when they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Was there an actual attack coming from the target of Israel's attack? No there wasn't. Selling arms isn't a reason to commit an attack of terror and act of murder on real people and a sovereign nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Realy Bush/Cheney? So tell us about your having seen the region. Where do you get your stellar information on the region? You said "never been to the region"....I have been to Haifa. Protecting one's interests by any means possible is simply unacceptable. Germany claimed it was just protecting its interests when it was invading and annexing nations left right and center in the 30s and 40s, an idea which went back to Bismarck's statement, "We have no friends, we have no enemies, we have only interests." And that is still true today. Israel does not need your approval to act accordingly, and you cannot stop it from doing so. You also cannot stop my nation's support for Israel. But you can post references to American TV shows and stand-up comics. The Nuremberg Trial showed that just protecting interests and following orders is not a defense for the violation of international law and for murder. Trials conducted by the winners...not the losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) You said "never been to the region"....I have been to Haifa. How much of it did you see from Haifa? Israel needs to follow international law. It does not. Canada has no business blindly cheerleading international acts of murder carried out against sovereign nations, especially when such politicians are so obviously doing so cynically to gain votes at home. Edited May 7, 2013 by Lenny_Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 How much of it did you see from Haifa? Israel needs to follow international law. It does not. Canada has no business blindly cheerleading international acts of murder carried out against sovereign nations, especially when such politicians are so obviously doing so cynically to gain votes at home. Which international law would Hezbollah be following when it used those weapons it was eagerly awaiting delivery of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) How much of it did you see from Haifa? I saw enough to understand that Israelis are committed to preserving their nation against ALL enemies, to a degree that most Americans and Canadians cannot fathom. They live in a rough neighbourhood. Israel needs to follow international law. It does not. Following international law doesn't mean jack when faced with existential threats. Hell, Canada doesn't even follow international law, and it hasn't even been attacked. Canada has no business blindly cheerleading international acts of murder carried out against sovereign nations, especially when such politicians are so obviously doing so cynically to gain votes at home. Canada's government is also acting in its own best interests. Edited May 7, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) I saw enough to understand that Israelis are committed to preserving their nation against ALL enemies, to a degree that most Americans and Canadians cannot fathom. They live in a rough neighbourhood. You saw nothing. You bought into all the propaganda wholesale. Following international law doesn't mean jack when faced with existential threats. Hell, Canada doesn't even follow international law, and it hasn't even been attacked. There was no existential threat from Syria here. To suggest there was is ludicrous. Canada's government is also acting in its own best interests. How the hell is Israel attacking Syria in Canada's best interests? Edited May 7, 2013 by Lenny_Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Published on Monday, May 6, 2013 by The Guardian/UKIsraeli Bombing of Syria and Moral Relativismby Glenn GreenwaldOn Sunday, Israel dropped massive bombs near Damascus, ones which the New York Times, quoting residents, originally reported (then evidently deleted) resulted in explosions "more massive than anything the residents of the city. . . have witnessed during more than two years of war." The Jerusalem Post this morning quoted "a senior Syrian military source" as claiming that "Israel used depleted uranium shells", though that is not confirmed. The NYT cited a "high-ranking Syrian military official" who said the bombs "struck several critical military facilities in some of the country's most tightly secured and strategic areas" and killed "dozens of elite troops stationed near the presidential palace", while the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said that "at least 42 soldiers were killed in the strikes, and another 100 who would usually be at the targeted sites remain unaccounted for." http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/05/06-5 Edited May 7, 2013 by Lenny_Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Its obvious that Israel's intent is to cripple Syria while its already down, rather than to defend itself from anything resembling an existential threat. Israel intends to be the existential end of the Syrian govt. The best defense is a strong offense. Why did Canada bomb Libya ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 The best defense is a strong offense. Why did Canada bomb Libya ? That was what Nazi Germany believed that the best defense was a strong offense. Not all of us like our country to be mass murdering war criminals or supporters of mass murdering war criminals. Especially when we aren't really defending ourselves against any real threat. Libya was never a threat to Canada. Syria is not a threat to Canada. etc. etc. If we don't have enemies. The Neocons have to invent them, because they are at root primal bloodthirsty war mongerers waging eternal war for eternal profit and power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) That was what Nazi Germany believed that the best defense was a strong offense. Godwin's Law applies here. Not all of us like our country to be mass murdering war criminals or supporters of mass murdering war criminals. Especially when we aren't really defending ourselves against any real threat. Libya was never a threat to Canada. Syria is not a threat to Canada. etc. etc. So it is OK to be "mass murdering war criminals" when there is a threat ? Canada also bombed Serbia, and it wasn't by any "neocon" government...it was that well known "war criminal" PM Chretien. If we don't have enemies. The Neocons have to invent them, because they are at root primal bloodthirsty war mongerers waging eternal war for eternal profit and power. Interests are more important than enemies, which can change based on...interests. See "Joseph Stalin". Edited May 7, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 So it is OK to be "mass murdering war criminals" when there is a threat ? Canada also bombed Serbia, and it wasn't by an "neocon" government...it was that well known "war criminal PM Chretien. Yes I don't see why Canada should have bombed Serbia. Interests are more important than enemies, which can change based on...interests. See "Joseph Stalin". And you think murder is a fine way to advance your ever changing 'interests,' just like Uncle Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Yes I don't see why Canada should have bombed Serbia. Doesn't matter...Canada still did it. Then Michael Ignatieff sold some more "Responsibility to Protect" books. And you think murder is a fine way to advance your ever changing 'interests,' just like Uncle Joe. It's not a fine way, but it can be very effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Are you seriously saying that Israel should forego an opportunity to prevent attacks from occurring because it has a method of defending itself when they do? Maybe Iran should attack Israel to prevent attacks from occurring. North Korea should do the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Israel poses a threat to North Korea? Doesn't Iran fund the type of terrorism that causes Israel to be such a secured state in the first place? I'm sure they'd attack Israel if they had a reasonable chance of success. Edited May 7, 2013 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Hamas uses it arms for one purpose to kill jews. So Israel has every right as a democratic and peacefull country to defend it's self. Was there an actual attack coming from the target of Israel's attack? No there wasn't. Selling arms isn't a reason to commit an attack of terror and act of murder on real people and a sovereign nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Hamas (now a legitimate political group in Gaza) was not the target of the attack. Furthermore Israel has a cease-fire with Hamas recently signed. So killing Arabs in another country has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel is not peaceful, and never has been. The Israelis invented the car bomb and used terrorism as a tactic to found the country, and has waged continuous wars of aggression against its neighbours and even inhabitants ever since. Nor is it particularly democratic, when over a couple million of its claimed inhabitants have few if any real rights and are treated like subhumans. "Hamas uses it arms for one purpose to kill jews. So Israel has every right as a democratic and peacefull country to defend it's self." Lenny_Bruce, on 06 May 2013 - 22:19, said: Was there an actual attack coming from the target of Israel's attack? No there wasn't. Selling arms isn't a reason to commit an attack of terror and act of murder on real people and a sovereign nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny_Bruce Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Lenny_Bruce, on 06 May 2013 - 23:06, said: And you think murder is a fine way to advance your ever changing 'interests,' just like Uncle Joe. "It's not a fine way, but it can be very effective." - Bush/Cheney. Thanks Bush/Cheney/Uncle Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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