Keepitsimple Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) ....mistaken post Edited April 27, 2013 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Keepitsimple Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 You think they CARE?? Seriously. It's "the west" they don't like. You are a westerner. They don't like you. Doesn't matter how much you love them. They don't love you. Have you not noticed how willing they are to kill 'their own' if they don't succumb to their ideals?? There was a time that I almost fell for the singular "they hate the West" argument.....until you consider the hundreds of bombings and thousands upon thousands of dead and maimed people in countries like Iraq, India, Pakistan, Sudan, Malaysia and others......Terrorists against moderate Muslims, terrorists against Hindus....terrorists against anyone and anything that does not bow to their twisted, mideivel ideology. Our media don't carry the weekly, if not daily terrorist attacks that occur all over the world. So while these Muslim fanatics seem to hate the West, truth is - they hate everyone and will continue to hate everyone until they get worldwide obedience to their version of Islam. That's why the Liberal "guilt trip" and apologist mindset is so misguided and naive. It's not just us they hate. Anyone who does not BELIEVE is marked for eventual capitulance - or death. Quote Back to Basics
jacee Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Thats a loaded question, either way you answer it it is going to be wrong, and yet it happens everyday, including in our country, a police officer in a high speed pursuit, endangers the lives of everyone on the roads, and in some cases ends badly for someone else.... It is a judgement call, and if it meant taking out a person who has or can take out many more lifes in the future, then yes.... Put it in a personal context: How many family/friends would we be willing to lose as 'collateral damage' before turning against our 'liberators'? Edited April 27, 2013 by jacee Quote
eyeball Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 That's why the Liberal "guilt trip" and apologist mindset is so misguided and naive. It's not just us they hate. Anyone who does not BELIEVE is marked for eventual capitulance - or death. They're simply more pagan in their ethos. For the moment our terrorists are content to just vilify and demonize anyone who doesn't buy into imperialism. That'll change as fear and loathing grow and they eventually give way to hate. We're only human too. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest American Woman Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 Put it in a personal context: How many family/friends would you be willing to lose as 'collateral damage' before turning against our 'liberators'? Let's put in another way. Someone has the ability and opportunity to kill someone who is going to continue to kill innocent people as long as they are alive. In using the opportunity to kill him, they may kill a couple of innocent people. But if they don't kill him, he's going to kill dozens. Is it more moral not to kill him and let dozens die as opposed to a couple so they can feel good about themselves? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 There was a time that I almost fell for the singular "they hate the West" argument.....until you consider the hundreds of bombings and thousands upon thousands of dead and maimed people in countries like Iraq, India, Pakistan, Sudan, Malaysia and others......Terrorists against moderate Muslims, terrorists against Hindus....terrorists against anyone and anything that does not bow to their twisted, mideivel ideology. Our media don't carry the weekly, if not daily terrorist attacks that occur all over the world. So while these Muslim fanatics seem to hate the West, truth is - they hate everyone and will continue to hate everyone until they get worldwide obedience to their version of Islam. That's why the Liberal "guilt trip" and apologist mindset is so misguided and naive. It's not just us they hate. Anyone who does not BELIEVE is marked for eventual capitulance - or death. There was a time when I believed it, too. But then, as you said, it doesn't explain their horrid treatment of their own if they don't bow to their beliefs/way of life. I agree that they hate everyone who doesn't bow to their twisted, medieval ideology - including the west. Now I believe that people who are so concerned with what we did to make them hate us are playing right into their hands. If Trudeau actually said that what he would do in reaction to the Boston bombing if he were PM is to consider why the bomber felt so isolated, it truly boggles the mind. The bomber, if he had no friends in America, could have moved back to Russia any time he chose to do so. Quote
eyeball Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 I think it's more appropriate to roll up the gates, embrace isolationism and start minding our own damn business. You should have stuck to your original beliefs, when you gave them up you played yourself right into our terrorists hands. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ReeferMadness Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 You think they CARE?? Seriously. It's "the west" they don't like. You are a westerner. They don't like you. Doesn't matter how much you love them. They don't love you. Have you not noticed how willing they are to kill 'their own' if they don't succumb to their ideals?? Oh, please. Another takeoff of "They hate us for our freedom"???? Is anyone seriously stupid enough to believe this nonsense? Reducing people to evil carictures may be good politics but it won't get us any closer to resolving the issues. War on terror. War on drugs, Cold war. These were/are all wars in the Orwellian sense. They were necessary to unite the people against a common enemy. Whether the enemy really existed is secondary. The first casualty of war is the truth. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Guest American Woman Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Oh, please. Another takeoff of "They hate us for our freedom"???? Is anyone seriously stupid enough to believe this nonsense?Oh, please. Have you read what I've said???? If you had, you'd realize don't think that at all. Reducing people to evil carictures may be good politics but it won't get us any closer to resolving the issues.Yet that's what we/westerners are "reduced to" by a certain mindset, isn't it? - and I'm not referring to just the terrorists. War on terror. War on drugs, Cold war. These were/are all wars in the Orwellian sense. They were necessary to unite the people against a common enemy. Whether the enemy really existed is secondary. The first casualty of war is the truth.Truth is a causality of every day life. Edited April 27, 2013 by American Woman Quote
ReeferMadness Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 There was a time when I believed it, too. But then, as you said, it doesn't explain their horrid treatment of their own if they don't bow to their beliefs/way of life. I agree that they hate everyone who doesn't bow to their twisted, medieval ideology - including the west. Now I believe that people who are so concerned with what we did to make them hate us are playing right into their hands. If Trudeau actually said that what he would do in reaction to the Boston bombing if he were PM is to consider why the bomber felt so isolated, it truly boggles the mind. The bomber, if he had no friends in America, could have moved back to Russia any time he chose to do so. Who is "they"? You mean like Timothy McVeigh? Or like the people who pull the trigger on drone atttacks? Or the people who dropped the bombs that fried hundreds of thousands at Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Please explain to us who "they" are. Some of us aren't as sure as you how to differentiate between good violence and bad violence. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Michael Hardner Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 That's why the Liberal "guilt trip" and apologist mindset is so misguided and naive. It's not just us they hate. Anyone who does not BELIEVE is marked for eventual capitulance - or death.The bombers perhaps are true believers, but those who send them out have political goals. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
ReeferMadness Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 In Harper's case, not wanting to know the root cause of these violent acts is consistent with his practise of eliminating science jobs and muzzling scientists whose jobs he hasn't yet eliminated. He already has an ideology and isn't interested in facts or ideas that may contradict his deeply held views. BTW, the word terrorism has become (maybe always was) a political term. Why was Boston terrorism and Newtown not? Mostly because Newtown was committed by a crazy Christian with guns. Crazy Christians with guns are a large political constituency in America and have lots of political clout. Crazy Muslims with bombs, not so much. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 The bombers perhaps are true believers, but those who send them out have political goals. I've seen no evidence that these two were "true believers" of anything or that anyone "sent them out". What I've read is that the older one was disillusioned, angry and didn't feel like he fit in. The younger one seems to have been influenced by his older brother. If you have evidence, post a link. Your post betrays the standard stereotypes and typifies why these acts will continue. If we want them to stop, we will understand them and the reasons behind them. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
roy baty Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Wwwt my Liberal friend you are delusional. Jihad is the root cause of Muslim terrorism. Period. You and the rest of the Libs who blame the "evil west" for their acts just shows us how out to lunch the left really is. Edited April 27, 2013 by roy baty Quote
ReeferMadness Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 Wwwt my Liberal friend you are delusional. Jihad is the root cause of Muslim terrorism. Period. You and the rest of the Libs who blame the "evil west" for their acts just shows us how out to lunch the left really is. And what is the cause of Christian terrorism? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
roy baty Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 And what is the cause of Christian terrorism? Same thing. Fanaticism. I don't however recall Christian terror groups being a problem globally do you? Quote
scribblet Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 For those who missed this now infamously ridiculous comment here it is If anyone thought Justin's remarks after the Boston bombings where out there,hold on,the conservatives seem to be more than happy to go even further out there! I have heard Pierre Poilievre say some things I have found questionable,but this one has to be the cherry on the cake! WWWTT Nothing wrong with it cos it's right.. The root cause is terrorists. There are many people unhappy with their lot in life with lots of grievances but they don't go out and kill hundreds of innocent people. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Keepitsimple Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 Who is "they"? You mean like Timothy McVeigh? Or like the people who pull the trigger on drone atttacks? Or the people who dropped the bombs that fried hundreds of thousands at Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Please explain to us who "they" are. Some of us aren't as sure as you how to differentiate between good violence and bad violence. .....then there's little hope trying to explain it to you again. There have been one or two Timothy McVeighs - because there will always be some bad eggs in every society.......but there are - and have been literally thousands of terrorist bombers around the world following one twisted, murderous, heinous Islamic version of their midievel ideology. Quote Back to Basics
cybercoma Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 You think they CARE?? Seriously. It's "the west" they don't like. You are a westerner. They don't like you. Doesn't matter how much you love them. They don't love you. Have you not noticed how willing they are to kill 'their own' if they don't succumb to their ideals?? Now's not the time to commit sociology. So keep these comments to yourself. Thanks. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted April 27, 2013 Report Posted April 27, 2013 Who is "they"? You mean like Timothy McVeigh? Or like the people who pull the trigger on drone atttacks? Or the people who dropped the bombs that fried hundreds of thousands at Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Please explain to us who "they" are. Some of us aren't as sure as you how to differentiate between good violence and bad violence. I can't explain it any better than Keepitsimple did, so I'll just repeat what he said in response to your questions: [...]There have been one or two Timothy McVeighs - because there will always be some bad eggs in every society.......but there are - and have been literally thousands of terrorist bombers around the world following one twisted, murderous, heinous Islamic version of their midievel ideology. Quote
jacee Posted April 28, 2013 Report Posted April 28, 2013 Now's not the time to commit sociology. So keep these comments to yourself. Thanks. Quote
jacee Posted April 28, 2013 Report Posted April 28, 2013 The bombers perhaps are true believers, but those who send them out have political goals. Absolutely. Who is "Misha"? He's the mystery operative. Who's operative is he? Why aren't we hearing about them? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted April 28, 2013 Report Posted April 28, 2013 .....then there's little hope trying to explain it to you again. There have been one or two Timothy McVeighs - because there will always be some bad eggs in every society.......but there are - and have been literally thousands of terrorist bombers around the world following one twisted, murderous, heinous Islamic version of their midievel ideology. I'm sure you're not just some knuckle-dragging Islamophobe so no doubt you've carefully researched this claim. Please reference your supporting facts. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted April 28, 2013 Report Posted April 28, 2013 I can't explain it any better than Keepitsimple did, so I'll just repeat what he said in response to your questions: that's tragic because he explained nothing. I suppose that means you have nothing to say, either. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
WWWTT Posted April 28, 2013 Author Report Posted April 28, 2013 So now targeting and killing innocent civilians, purposely killing children, making all of that the goal, and cheering over it - is "only using simple means to achieve goals." Un-freakin-believable. Methinks "[your] understanding" is off the charts. Yes exactly. What other means do these enemies have? And be thankfull that they don't have any greater,more dangerous resources at their disposal! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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