Guest American Woman Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 Looks like you are right. Still does not excuse her failure to help end apartheid! She DID help end apartheid. That's what I pointed out - in the post you are responding to. Quote
Shady Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 Looks like you are right. Still does not excuse her failure to help end apartheid! WWWTT That's ok, she was fighting to help end the Soviet Union. That was a little more important. Quote
WWWTT Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 Here's another link that sheds more light on Thatcher http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/thatcher-was-wrong-on-apartheid-mandela/article10926500/ WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 That's ok, she was fighting to help end the Soviet Union. That was a little more important. Sounds like you and Osama bin Laden are in agreement! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest American Woman Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 "Thatcher argued that sanctions were immoral because they would throw thousands of South African blacks out of work." Quote
WWWTT Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 She DID help end apartheid. That's what I pointed out - in the post you are responding to. No it's not! You pointed out an opinion that a few people have. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest American Woman Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) No it's not! You pointed out an opinion that a few people have. More than a few - just as many as who claim that she didn't. Those who claim that she did - include Mandela, who thanked her for it. Edited April 10, 2013 by American Woman Quote
WWWTT Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 "Thatcher argued that sanctions were immoral because they would throw thousands of South African blacks out of work." Then how about Cuba,Iran,North Korea and possibly others??? That's one big grain of salt I'll need to believe that one! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest American Woman Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 Then how about Cuba,Iran,North Korea and possibly others??? That's one big grain of salt I'll need to believe that one! What about it? What does that have to do with anything? Quote
WWWTT Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 More than a few - just as many as who claim that she didn't. Those who claim that she did - include Mandela, who thanked her for it. Then try convincing all of those that are reminded of her failures when she died! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 What about it? What does that have to do with anything? All of these other countries have sanctions imposed upon them. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest American Woman Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) All of these other countries have sanctions imposed upon them. By Thatcher?? Edited to add: She did eventually give in to political pressure regarding the sanctions, but her take on it was that it was hurting the blacks. Edited April 10, 2013 by American Woman Quote
Guest American Woman Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 Then try convincing all of those that are reminded of her failures when she died! Mandela's take on it doesn't mean anything to you? Quote
Wilber Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 Looks to me like she was quite a complex person and that presents a problem for the simple minded who want to pigeon hole her as either hero or villain. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 She DID help end apartheid. That's what I pointed out - in the post you are responding to. And the Mujahideen aren't the Taliban... But with WWWTT, facts are less important than insulting your fellow poster. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 By Thatcher?? Edited to add: She did eventually give in to political pressure regarding the sanctions, but her take on it was that it was hurting the blacks. She caused that last eclipse... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
g_bambino Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 Classic Thatcher Derangement Syndrome. It may have something to do with this: Thatcher wasn’t carried by the tide of political movements or government programs; she wasn’t a creature of feminism, let alone anything resembling quotas or “affirmative action.” Neither her sex nor her social status—she was a provincial greengrocer’s daughter—gave her the slightest edge. Chances are she would have rejected help from any type of reverse discrimination, whatever it was based on, but as none was offered in her time, the point was moot. She acquired whatever she achieved by her own efforts. One would have thought this would make Thatcher a feminist hero, or a hero of the left. Breaking through ceilings of class and sex, not “glass” but plainly visible, and doing so entirely by her own efforts in a blatantly hierarchical society of entrenched privilege such as snobbish old Britain, ought to have earned Thatcher a few Brownie-points—or so one would think. One would be wrong, of course. The matriarchy hated Thatcher with a passion, exceeding even the general loathing of the left. The reason was simple. Thatcher did it without them. Why the left still hates Margaret Thatcher Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 That sums it up nicely. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WWWTT Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 By Thatcher?? Edited to add: She did eventually give in to political pressure regarding the sanctions, but her take on it was that it was hurting the blacks. "It was hurting the Blacks" And who was "hurting" the "Blacks" by not giving them rights? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 And the Mujahideen aren't the Taliban... But with WWWTT, facts are less important than insulting your fellow poster. Sure,and the reform party is not the alliance and they are not the conservatives. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest American Woman Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) "It was hurting the Blacks" And who was "hurting" the "Blacks" by not giving them rights? F.W. de Klerk, the last apartheid-era president of South Africa, said in a statement that Thatcher, whom he called a friend, was "a steadfast critic of apartheid." He said Thatcher "correctly believed" that more could be achieved through constructive engagement with his government than international sanctions and isolation of the South African government. So you supported the sanctions against Iraq? I'm really curious as to your answer. Edited April 10, 2013 by American Woman Quote
WWWTT Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 It may have something to do with this: And how about this one. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/thatcher-was-wrong-on-apartheid-mandela/article10926500/ Or how about this one I'll take facts over some kind of syndrome. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest American Woman Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) Why are you re-posting pics that people already responded to? Furthermore, your pictures hardly tell "facts." As I pointed out, Mandela thanked Thatcher for helping end apartheid. I posted a pic of him shaking her hand. If she "hated him," why did she try so hard to have him released from prison? And why did he thank her for it? Good Lord. Again. Your pics are hardly "facts." Edited April 10, 2013 by American Woman Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 Why are you re-posting pics that people already responded to? Furthermore, your pictures hardly tell "facts." As I pointed out, Mandela thanked Thatcher for helping end apartheid. I posted a pic of him shaking her hand. If she "hated him," why did she try so hard to have him released from prison? And why did he thank her for it? Good Lord. Again. Your pics are hardly "facts." And the MK Umkhonto we Sizwe were certainly terrorists. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WWWTT Posted April 10, 2013 Report Posted April 10, 2013 Why are you re-posting pics that people already responded to? Furthermore, your pictures hardly tell "facts." As I pointed out, Mandela thanked Thatcher for helping end apartheid. I posted a pic of him shaking her hand. If she "hated him," why did she try so hard to have him released from prison? And why did he thank her for it? Good Lord. Again. Your pics are hardly "facts." Good Lord.Again comments are hardly "facts" WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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