guyser Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 I think the CC should be far more concerned with the problems certain doctrines they have creates in the developing world (cough ban on contraception!) I quite agree .There'd be a lot less dead people from AIDS in Africa if they had stayed out. Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 A few things. 1 - I was raised Catholic. My entire family remains Catholic. I am not Christian anymore. 2 - I'm doing the "election thing" in my International Elections thread, as, technically, the Vatican is a country. 3 - Saying all Catholics are pedos is insanity. It reeks of Ian Paisley rising to insult the Pope when he spoke to the European Union Parliament back in the 70's or 80's. There is a stream within Protestantism, specifically a specific kind of Northern Irish - Scottish - English Protestantism, that hates Catholics and anything Catholic. These people are best ignored. 4 - The Catholic church, if it should "do" anything in particular, is read scripture as conservatively as possible. The "Word of God" should not be modified for the modern era. What God wants is what God should get. 5 - The Catholic church, however, should act as liberally as possible. It should not attack gays for being gay. If it believes being gay is wrong, it should focus on helping these poor poor people, not on calling them the devil incarnate. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
guyser Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 What God wants is what God should get. . I agree, however, he has to personally ask. No minions, no reps, it has to be him. He best wear a big 'G' on his sweatshirt so we know its him. Quote
The_Squid Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 Saying all Catholics are pedos is insanity. Who on the forum said this and where did they say it? The "Word of God" should not be modified for the modern era. What God wants is what God should get. God wants adulterers to be stoned to death. Or is this passage OK to be "modernized"? Of course the bible should be modernized! It has no choice... a lot of what is written is barbaric. Quote
Boges Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) 4 - The Catholic church, if it should "do" anything in particular, is read scripture as conservatively as possible. The "Word of God" should not be modified for the modern era. What God wants is what God should get. This is exactly what Catholics don't do. The Old Testament is the old agreement between God and his people and much of it can be ignored. The New Testament simplifies things to principals that are just as applicable today as they were in the first century. No mention of Gays, Abortion OR Contraception. Catholics make stuff up as they go along because they believe God works through the Pope. I'd argue the Catholic Church is exactly the type of institution Jesus warned against when he raged against the problems with Judaism. Edited February 12, 2013 by Boges Quote
sharkman Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 Boges, nice to know there are posters around who are aware of the New Testament dispensation vs the old. Next we'll see mention of animal sacrifice as if it's relevant. Quote
The_Squid Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 The picking/choosing from the bible is amusing! "It's the holy word of GOD!! But let's toss most of it away because they won't let us do these things anymore...." Quote
Boges Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) The picking/choosing from the bible is amusing! "It's the holy word of GOD!! But let's toss most of it away because they won't let us do these things anymore...." Jesus does just that. "You have heard it said _______ but now I tell you ________" Edited February 12, 2013 by Boges Quote
Guest American Woman Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 I do hope the new Pope is more open to addressing the sexual abuse that has gone on/is going on in the Church. As far as I can see, from all I've read, Pope Benedict XVI knew what was going on and didn't do much, if anything, about it. I wonder, being such a firm believer in God's word, how he feels about the prospect of facing his God when he dies? I suppose there's the 'get out of jail free' forgiveness factor that perhaps gives some peace of mind. Quote
jacee Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 Why were you investigating this? As a part of your job? Sorry. I don't answer personal questions. Quote
jacee Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 Those are horrible things and those people should be dealt with harshly. And it certainly does matter. But whenever Catholics are discussed, is it fair to always mention this scandal? In this situation, yes. It was the single most important issue during this papacy. Quote
Boges Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) In this situation, yes. It was the single most important issue during this papacy. Well he's done. He'll spend the rest of his days a recluse in a Monastery. Will the stink of this scandal follow a Canadian Pope or an African Pope? Especially a decade after it broke and with the safeguards that apparently this Pope to try and prevent it happening again. Edited February 12, 2013 by Boges Quote
jacee Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 Well he's done. He'll spend the rest of his days a recluse in a Monastery. Will the stink of this scandal follow a Canadian Pope or an African Pope? Especially a decade after it broke and with the safeguards that apparently this Pope to try and prevent it happening again. Have you really researched "the safeguards"? Keep in mind ... the man thinks the problem is "homosexuals", and thinks pedophilia is accepted in secular society. And he's gone. It remains to be seen whether the next pope will make a serious attempt to deal with the issue. This one did not. Quote
sharkman Posted February 12, 2013 Report Posted February 12, 2013 Sorry. I don't answer personal questions. Okay, I can understand that, but you did bring it up. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted February 13, 2013 Report Posted February 13, 2013 The popes before Benedict also protected child predators. This is a problem with the institution. The Vatican’s aversion to change will most likely mean that another corrupt, old white European will become pope and he will continue to fight to protect the sexual abusers within the church. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Bonam Posted February 13, 2013 Report Posted February 13, 2013 The popes before Benedict also protected child predators. This is a problem with the institution. The Vatican’s aversion to change will most likely mean that another corrupt, old white European will become pope and he will continue to fight to protect the sexual abusers within the church. What does the race and national origin of the next pope have to do with anything? Quote
Hudson Jones Posted February 13, 2013 Report Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) What does the race and national origin of the next pope have to do with anything? What do you mean what does it have to do with anything? Look at the list of all the popes in the past. Every single one has been old, white and European. It's how they roll. It's not about racism but about how parochial they are. There are talks about a French Canadian (who is in Latin America) and even an African becoming the next pope, but if I were a betting man, I'd say it will be another European. Most likely the powerful Italian, Cardinal Angelo Scola. There are many problems with the church and it mostly has to do with its resistance to change and better itself. Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini offered a clear-eyed assessment of the disease before his death: “Our culture has aged, our churches are big and empty and the church bureaucracy rises up; our rituals and our cassocks are pompous,” he said of , “The church must admit its mistakes and begin a radical change, starting from the pope and the bishops.” Edited February 13, 2013 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
TheNewTeddy Posted February 13, 2013 Report Posted February 13, 2013 This guy may become Pope. That's who my bet is on. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
The_Squid Posted February 13, 2013 Report Posted February 13, 2013 Jesus does just that. "You have heard it said _______ but now I tell you ________" Did he? Depends on whom you ask.... Many interpret some passages quoting Jesus as reinforcing the old testament. The Christians can't even get their story straight about which parts of the bible are relevant. "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17) Quote
sharkman Posted February 13, 2013 Report Posted February 13, 2013 And what do you suppose Jesus means when he said that he came to fulfill the law? Quote
The_Squid Posted February 13, 2013 Report Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) And what do you suppose Jesus means when he said that he came to fulfill the law? I interpret it to say that the Old Testament is still in force. What Jesus said, then, was the Old Testament as a body of "God-breathed" literature would not be set aside or abolished. His concern was not specifically the Sabbath or the Ten Commandments. It was the entire Old Testament.http://www.gci.org/bible/matthew517 Edited February 13, 2013 by The_Squid Quote
Boges Posted February 13, 2013 Author Report Posted February 13, 2013 I interpret it to say that the Old Testament is still in force. But then why would he chastise the Jewish establishment every chance he got? They were all about the Law. I disagree with that quote you posted. But that's the fun thing about debating theology. Why would it be OK for Christians to eat Pork now if Jesus, Paul, Peter etc were all about maintaining the Laws as mentioned in the Old Testament. Oh and why would the Jewish leadership want him killed? Quote
The_Squid Posted February 13, 2013 Report Posted February 13, 2013 Why would it be OK for Christians to eat Pork now if Jesus, Paul, Peter etc were all about maintaining the Laws as mentioned in the Old Testament. Because someone realized that bacon is good... so they changed it. Why else? Why would God decide bacon will send you to hell, and then decides later that he was only kidding... None of it makes one iota of sense. Debating theology isn't fun... It's actually quite sick... It's debating fairy tales! My faith is right, yours is wrong and you are going to hell because that's what my faith says! Quote
Boges Posted February 13, 2013 Author Report Posted February 13, 2013 Because someone realized that bacon is good... so they changed it. Why else? Why would God decide bacon will send you to hell, and then decides later that he was only kidding... None of it makes one iota of sense. Debating theology isn't fun... It's actually quite sick... It's debating fairy tales! My faith is right, yours is wrong and you are going to hell because that's what my faith says! When did I ever condemn you to Hell for your belief. Jesus has some pretty clear and sensible guidelines for how to live a decent life. It's comical how people who have No Faith like to debate theology when the reject the whole premise. They just want to bleep disturb. Where do you find hatred in the New Testament's message? Quote
-TSS- Posted February 15, 2013 Report Posted February 15, 2013 Papacy had some relevance in the past centuries when people genuinely believed that the pope is always a direct disciple of Peter and if you disagreed with the pope you went to hell because the pope was infallible. In this day and age the whole institution is anachronistic. Quote
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