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[betsy]

Of course Christianity is evil. Your religions was spread by the sword. It slaughtered countless heretics, church splinter groups, dissenters, atheists, agnostics, deists, pagans for hundreds of years. Have you heard of the crusades, the inquisition or witch hunts? Sure it is less homicidal now, but it's kind of like being a current member of the Nazi party.

Even today your religion is a beacon of immorality. Christianity is blatantly misogynistic, it terrorizes homosexuals, and is responsible for the suppression of knowledge, and worsening the spread of disease. This is only scratching the surface, your beliefs themselves are patently unethical. Original sin, though crimes and a god who is the prototypical dictatorial, abusive father. You people treat fear of this genocidal, megalomaniac as a positive. That's just sick. I can go on but this is likely better discussed in a separate thread.

Anyway, I am very clear on why I think Christianity is evil. I oppose the misappropriation of charitable funds to convert those in serious need of help and who already have their own belief systems. Please explain how that view is self serving or evil.

Thus like I already expected, you only repeat the same lame and ignorant accusation that others heap on the religion founded by Christ. For all the evils that men do, you blame Christ - and the religion He founded - instead. It doesn't matter to you - or perhaps because of the ignorance you have on Christianity you understandably lack understanding, you cannot know that those people had broken away from the teachings of Christ, some blinded by their own misguided zealotry. Like you, now.

Your own anti-religion zealotry clouds your reasonable judgement.

Edited February 21, 2013 by betsy

[betsy]

You speak of condoms and pills like as if those are the answers to the problem. Think again!

We've had education. We've had condoms and birth control pills, and iud, etc.....and even came up with the morning-after pills? Have we eliminated AIDS in our own society? Have we seen the last of abortion?

You won't solve anything if all you strive to see is the tip of your noses, and refuse to deal with the root cause! The liberal-minded have a problem digging deeper, it seems. You want to have your cake and eat it too!

Well, life was not created for that.

The Pope is right. Taken from the Bible - why do you think the Mosaic Law forbids promiscuity? Why did Christ emphasized the cleaving to one wife/husband?

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health
PROMISCUITY, UNLAWFUL LIFESTYLES and DISEASE

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18914&page=11

If there is any stupidity being shown here, it is obvious where it's coming from.

You say, "live and let live." Well thanks to you, the world is doing just that. Therefore, stop your whining and finger-pointing at the Pope. Live with the problem.

Edited February 21, 2013 by betsy

[GostHacked]

You speak of condoms and pills like as if those are the answers to the problem. Think again!

We've had education. We've had condoms and birth control pills, and iud, etc.....and even came up with the morning-after pills? Have we eliminated AIDS in our own society? Have we seen the last of abortion?

Throw more bibles at them, see if that cures the problem too.

[Mighty AC]

Thus like I already expected, you only repeat the same lame and ignorant accusation that others heap on the religion founded by Christ. For all the evils that men do, you blame Christ - and the religion He founded - instead. It doesn't matter to you - or perhaps because of the ignorance you have on Christianity you understandably lack understanding, you cannot know that those people had broken away from the teachings of Christ, some blinded by their own misguided zealotry. Like you, now.

Your own anti-religion zealotry clouds your reasonable judgement.

You comments are akin to saying you can't blame the Nazi party for the sins of its members. People following the orders of your religious texts and leaders killed, tortured, thieved and caused tremendous suffering for centuries. The points are repeated because they are gruesome and valid.

Not all branches of Christianity are equal though. Currently the United Church is not persecuting homosexuals while others like the RCC still do. You have said that you would deny equal rights to homosexuals. Since many of your fellow Christians would not deny them equal rights it appears you have a choice. So who is to blame for this immoral position you have chosen? Is this one of the sins of men you referred to or should your religion and its leaders bear some of the blame?

[Michael Hardner]

You comments are akin to saying you can't blame the Nazi party for the sins of its members. People following the orders of your religious texts and leaders killed, tortured, thieved and caused tremendous suffering for centuries. The points are repeated because they are gruesome and valid.

Oh, come on. You're comparing the Nazi Party to Christianity ? This is at best hyperbole, and at worst hate speech. Do you wonder why many casual observers of this debate recoil from strident and arrogant anti-religious types ? You clearly have some personal axe to grind, and can't tolerate other points of view.

Nazis, please.

[Canuckistani]

Thus like I already expected, you only repeat the same lame and ignorant accusation that others heap on the religion founded by Christ. For all the evils that men do, you blame Christ - and the religion He founded - instead. It doesn't matter to you - or perhaps because of the ignorance you have on Christianity you understandably lack understanding, you cannot know that those people had broken away from the teachings of Christ, some blinded by their own misguided zealotry. Like you, now.

Your own anti-religion zealotry clouds your reasonable judgement.

Wow, that's a lot of people who have broken away from Christ thruout the years. Including entire churches following official anti-Christ policies. Or entire sects just rife with homophobic hate.

Seems there's a lot fewer Christians in the world than originally thought. Very few indeed that gave away everthing they own and follow Christ.

But really Christianity is no different than Islam in that regard. Many Muslims don't absolutely follow the word of the prophet. You'd think the 5 real Christians and 3 real Muslims could get together and make peace. Maybe they do, and we don't hear about it.

[g_bambino]

For all the evils that men do, you blame Christ - and the religion He founded - instead..

You can blame the religion Christ (supposedly) foudnded--well, the people who've been running it--for taking it upon themselves to tell everyone what all the "evils" are, even as they continued and continue to engage in them behind closed doors.

[Mighty AC]

Oh, come on. You're comparing the Nazi Party to Christianity ? This is at best hyperbole, and at worst hate speech. Do you wonder why many casual observers of this debate recoil from strident and arrogant anti-religious types ? You clearly have some personal axe to grind, and can't tolerate other points of view.

Nazis, please.

The church slaughtered countless heretics, church splinter groups, dissenters, atheists, agnostics, deists, pagans and 'witches' for hundreds of years. A statement was made that we can't blame the religion for the sins of men. How is that statement different than the ridiculous claim that we can't blame the Nazi party for the deeds of its members?

Edited February 21, 2013 by Mighty AC

[Michael Hardner]

A statement was made that we can't blame the religion for the sins of men. How is that statement different than the ridiculous claim that we can't blame the Nazi party for the deeds of its members?

Because the Nazi ideology held the Germanic peoples to be superior, and called for the extermination of certain inferior races.

That seems like one reason that Nazism may be worse than `the golden rule`.

[The_Squid]

Because the Nazi ideology held the Germanic peoples to be superior, and called for the extermination of certain inferior races.

That seems like one reason that Nazism may be worse than `the golden rule`.

And some interpretations of the bible call for killings, especially historically when religious groups held more political power. Hard to deny that entire wars were started and countless thousands slaughtered by the church. The only reason that the two can't be compared is probably because of the timeline. You have to reach farther back in history to find these atrocities committed by the church. Although church policies today are also killing people (no condoms or you go to hell), it's just not as direct as open warfare.

Would religious groups still be killing heretics, witches, starting crusades, etc. if they still held the same sway today as they did 400+ years ago? I'm pretty convinced that "the church" would still be starting holy wars and burning witches if they could get away with it and if they still held that much power.

Edited February 21, 2013 by The_Squid

[Canuckistani]

Nope, it's tenets of Christianity itself that gave rise to the elightenment. Worth of the individual for instance. It's more complicated than you're making out to be.

But @ Michael. Anti-semitism has it's roots in Christianity, and the Inquisition was torturing and murdering Jews same as Nazism. It held Christianity to be superior, so to some degree AC has a point. Thing is the church reformed itself.

[Michael Hardner]

Would religious groups still be killing heretics, witches, starting crusades, etc. if they still held the same sway today as they did 400+ years ago? I'm pretty convinced that "the church" would still be starting holy wars and burning witches if they could get away with it and if they still held that much power.

So, since countries are doing it today you`re saying it`s more of a human failing that drives people to murder `the other` ? I agree.

Whatever ideology is prevalent in any era can be used to justify what people want to do anyway, that much is true. But Nazism had dehumanization at its core. The root ideology of Christianity, contrarily, led to the reformation... and the attendant decline in power of churches, monarchies...

[Canuckistani]

So, since countries are doing it today you`re saying it`s more of a human failing that drives people to murder `the other` ? I agree.

Whatever ideology is prevalent in any era can be used to justify what people want to do anyway, that much is true. But Nazism had dehumanization at its core. The root ideology of Christianity, contrarily, led to the reformation... and the attendant decline in power of churches, monarchies...

The reformatin led to protestantism. Those are the folks that were burning witches in the US and some are still spouting hate today. Also the folks that seem to be pushing for less separation between church and state.

[Michael Hardner]

The reformatin led to protestantism. Those are the folks that were burning witches in the US and some are still spouting hate today. Also the folks that seem to be pushing for less separation between church and state.

Well, it was America that caused them to burn witches wasn't it ? Or was it the bland clothing ?

[betsy]

You comments are akin to saying you can't blame the Nazi party for the sins of its members.

Nope. Not the same comparison....

I'm saying you can't blame Jesus (and Christianity) for the sins of self-professing Christians who aren't following the teachings of Christ - which we are supposed to adhere to if we are to be Christians.

On the contrary, you can blame the nazi party for the atrocities committed by its soldiers/members for giving atrocious orders!

People following the orders of your religious texts and leaders killed, tortured, thieved and caused tremendous suffering for centuries. The points are repeated because they are gruesome and valid.

And like I said, you terribly lack understanding by saying the Bible and Christ ordered people to kill. No doubt, next you'll be invoking the Old Testament....which will only prove my point!

Not all branches of Christianity are equal though. Currently the United Church is not persecuting homosexuals while others like the RCC still do. You have said that you would deny equal rights to homosexuals. Since many of your fellow Christians would not deny them equal rights it appears you have a choice. So who is to blame for this immoral position you have chosen? Is this one of the sins of men you referred to or should your religion and its leaders bear some of the blame?

Another perpetuated fallacy that we persecute homosexuals - or that we hate homosexuals. You guys love to use the homosexuals to suit your own anti-religion agenda. You love to tell them that they are hated by Christians when in fact it's not true. It's been explained before that it is the act that is forbidden....just like the way we view adultery! Why don't you say we persecute adulterers...ore that we deny the rights of adulterers?

I'm curious btw, come to think of it....just to prove my piint, I've got to know where you stand. You don't find it wrong if your wife sleeps with other men?

[Canuckistani]

Well, it was America that caused them to burn witches wasn't it ? Or was it the bland clothing ?

Guess you have no proper response.

[g_bambino]

I'm saying you can't blame Jesus (and Christianity) for the sins of self-professing Christians who aren't following the teachings of Christ

Except, there's no singular interpretation of "the teachings of Christ".

You don't find it wrong if your wife sleeps with other men?

Many people don't.

[Canuckistani]

Give away all that you have and follow me. That's a good test for anybody claiming to be following the teachings of Christ. And that thing about the log in their own eye, instead of worrying if two men are having sex, another good one.

[Michael Hardner]

Guess you have no proper response.

Maybe you missed it.

There are lots of people here who think that Muslims are diseased by their religion, and their logic roughly follows yours. To my mind, it's just simplification and scapegoating that makes people feel better to not try to understand the roots of violence.

It's quite intolerant really, kind of a more socially acceptable type of xenophobia, and inability to empathize with other cultures.

[Michael Hardner]

Give away all that you have and follow me. That's a good test for anybody claiming to be following the teachings of Christ.

But you're already convinced that such teachings propel people to evil, aren't you ? We should just ban this type of literature, or better yet - ban the thought of it.

[g_bambino]

But you're already convinced that such teachings propel people to evil, aren't you ?

I think he's saying more Christians should follow those teachings....

[Mighty AC]

Nope. Not the same comparison....

I'm saying you can't blame Jesus (and Christianity) for the sins of self-professing Christians who aren't following the teachings of Christ - which we are supposed to adhere to if we are to be Christians.

On the contrary, you can blame the nazi party for the atrocities committed by its soldiers/members for giving atrocious orders!

How would Christians know if they are following the rules of your god? According to your holy books death is the appropriate punishment for 'witchcraft' or worshiping other gods. So the Nazis ordered men to kill, torture and steal; but so did the church. If we pretend that the Bible is divinely inspired, free of errors and authentic, then the church had the backing of your god, who is also Jesus.

But wait, Canuckistani pointed out that the Church reformed itself and stopped killing nonbelievers. That's a great point. It seems that men stood up to the bully and defied the evil orders of their god. I think the evidence shows that men have the moral advantage and are thankfully beginning to leave the evils of religion behind.

If the church has chosen to ignore the Bible in cases where it has become too unethical to adhere to, I'd say that society is the source of morality and not religion. Since men can choose the scripture that is worth following and what can be discarded, then the Bible cannot be used to prop up any moral argument. Christians opposing equal rights for homosexuals are simply choosing to do so. Many Christian groups, like the United Church, have already chosen the moral high road on this point.

[Mighty AC]

Another perpetuated fallacy that we persecute homosexuals - or that we hate homosexuals. You guys love to use the homosexuals to suit your own anti-religion agenda. You love to tell them that they are hated by Christians when in fact it's not true. It's been explained before that it is the act that is forbidden....just like the way we view adultery! Why don't you say we persecute adulterers...ore that we deny the rights of adulterers?

I'm curious btw, come to think of it....just to prove my piint, I've got to know where you stand. You don't find it wrong if your wife sleeps with other men?

I don't think you have a point here. I don't care if you personally disapprove of homosexual acts, that is your own personal choice. I am simply opposed to the religious fighting to deny them equal rights.

I'm sure you would also oppose adultery, littering and coveting thy neighbours ass. However, we do not deny equal rights to adulterers and those with a hankering for ass. So if my wife should sleep with another man, or woman, I would not approve. However, she should not have to use separate drinking fountains, ride at the back of the bus or be denied the right to marry, adopt children, be listed as the next of kin or share pension income.

[Peanutbutter]

MightyAC, this all very inflammatory language you're using. Homosexuals aren't being denied these things in Canada and I don't hear PM Harper saying things like that. It would be outrageous and even his supporters would be up in arms I'm sure.

[Mighty AC]

They are being denied equal rights in most of the US and many conservative Christians in both countries would like to repeal any advances that have been made on this front. The member I was responding to has mentioned that, despite loving the people themselves, she supports that denial of rights based on her religious views.