Mass shooting

[Guest Derek L]

There are about 132,000 schools in the US. So you would need 132,000 cops, plus extras so some could be off sick, on holidays, etc. So you'd need about 160,000 say.

By comparison there are about 13,000 FBI agents.

No, like airlines, you wouldn’t have one in every school, more often then not, only in a very small percentage of schools, moving around on a roving basis……….Deterrence would be key…………Like I was saying earlier, these shooters target gun free zones…….take away the certainty that said school would be gun free.

[Guest Derek L]

Gun fire is common in urban areas and interestingly, rural areas. Some people just can't afford to go to a proper gun range ! It got so bad in one area, Honeywell designed and built a gun shot locator based on sonic timings. It's still used today in several cities.

Knives are pretty quite in comparison, but not chain saws !!

And CCI makes subsonic, low noise ammo...

[bush_cheney2004]

Looks like worse case U.S. legislation would be the re-instatement of the expired assault gun ban (1994 - 2004). Obama knows he can't push too hard. So that means new products for gun nuts enthusiasts that will not have the designated "assault rifle" attributes like pistol hand grip, bayonet mount, flash suppressor, barrel shroud, detachable magazine, etc.

Semi-autos would remain OK absent some of these other physical features.

No wonder gun-smiths make such good money, and have their own cable TV shows.

Edited December 18, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest Derek L]

There's no reason improved handling and treatment of mental illness can't be a priority. At the same time, while that is happening, you need to be sure the people who might be prone to violence aren't able to access tools to cause mass harm/death. Gun control and better mental health services are not mutually exclusive and only someone who doesn't actually give a crap about the issue except so far as it affects MUH GUNZ would pretend otherwise.

Like I posted several times, a proposal for both the United States and Canada for increased, effective licensing……….Clearly Canada’s current PAL/RPAL system, on a proportional basis, achieves a stark contrast in terms of results when compared to what the Americans have in place……….I’ve even proposed requirements for private licensing here that would mirror what we currently require of police and the military…..

Yet you claim I don’t give a crap on this issue…………I’ll tell you what, your position on a prohibition of private firearms in Canada (and the United States) will never happen! Full stop. As such, your position is a complete and utter fallacy and amounts to nothing more than mental masturbation………..If you even want glacial movement on gun control, you will have to get gun owners on side……….Your position aside, making wise cracks and inferring that gun owners, many of us parents also, don’t care or even support in some twisted way, such tragedies, will only accomplish having gun owners not only tune you out, but buy even more guns and ammo to spite you.

Remember, on this topic we hold all the cards and you don’t even have a Joker and rules liner………Think about it.

[Guest Derek L]

Looks like worse case U.S. legislation would be the re-instatement of the expired assault gun ban (1994 - 2004). Obama knows he can't push too hard. So that means new products for gun nuts enthusiasts that will not have the designated "assault rifle" attributes like pistol hand grip, bayonet mount, flash suppressor, barrel shroud, detachable magazine, etc.

Semi-autos would remain OK absent some of these other physical features.

No wonder gun-smiths make such good money, and have their own cable TV shows.

The Ban also includes no more new production telescoping AR stocks.........And the part on Mags is limits to ten on new production.........Those $7.00 30 round P-MAGS would be quite an investment right now

[bush_cheney2004]

...Remember, on this topic we hold all the cards and you don’t even have a Joker and rules liner………Think about it.

Right....Congress will toss them a bone and gun owners will just wink as before. "Banned" features will be sold as bolt-on kits and mods. It's such a silly game...next they will have to ban hack saws.

[Boges]

No, like airlines, you wouldn’t have one in every school, more often then not, only in a very small percentage of schools, moving around on a roving basis……….Deterrence would be key…………Like I was saying earlier, these shooters target gun free zones…….take away the certainty that said school would be gun free.

What are the odds people would have seen fit to put a School Marshall at a school in a sleepy town like Newtown?

[Canuckistani]

What are the odds people would have seen fit to put a School Marshall at a school in a sleepy town like Newtown?

Doubt people like this shooter, who shot himself would be deterred because there might be a cop at the school, The only answer is to equip each staff member with full body armor, automatic assault rifle, side arm and some grenades. At the first hint of trouble, start blasting at any adult or teen who enters the school grounds.

[Guest Derek L]

Right....Congress will toss them a bone and gun owners will just wink as before. "Banned" features will be sold as bolt-on kits and mods. It's such a silly game...next they will have to ban hack saws.

I can hear the Magazines flying off the shelf…………

[Guest Derek L]

What are the odds people would have seen fit to put a School Marshall at a school in a sleepy town like Newtown?

The same odds that there is a SM on a flight to Bismarck, North Dakota……….you never know.

[bush_cheney2004]

What are the odds people would have seen fit to put a School Marshall at a school in a sleepy town like Newtown?

It's not about specific schools, but the possibility that a security expert could have been at the school.

[GostHacked]

It's not about specific schools, but the possibility that a security expert could have been at the school.

It would have been a dead security expert.

[Guest Derek L]

It would have been a dead security expert.

Why?

[-TSS-]

In Britain deaths by stabbings rose manyfold after handguns were banned in the aftermath of the Dunblane school-massacre.

[cybercoma]

Hey, StasCan says that assaults with knives is up in Canada from 2011, while gun homicides are down. You guys have a serious knife problem !

This doesn't support your advocacy for gun ownership either. It's like you live in an alternate reality where logical conclusions from data don't exist.

[bush_cheney2004]

This doesn't support your advocacy for gun ownership either. It's like you live in an alternate reality where logical conclusions from data don't exist.

It's called the United States....an alternate universe with better weather !

[The_Squid]

http://www.leaderpost.com/School+shooting+views/7712547/story.html

So instead of blaming God, why not blame the majority of good people who allowed a few atheist radicals, who were vocal and pushy, to push God out of all public life? He was not allowed into the schools, but the first place the people of Newtown turned was to God...

What I don't get with a point of view like the one espoused by this particular editorial writer, is how they reconcile the lack of mass shootings in much less religious places. If it is a lack of God that causes these shootings, America wouldn't have any, never mind more than the rest of the world combined!

[Argus]

No, like airlines, you wouldn’t have one in every school, more often then not, only in a very small percentage of schools, moving around on a roving basis……….Deterrence would be key…………Like I was saying earlier, these shooters target gun free zones…….take away the certainty that said school would be gun free.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear on the numerous ways this is stupid. First, the possibility there might be a cop in a school is not going to deter a wack job. Second, the cost would be enormous. I dislike enormous costs for no or minimal results (see long gun registration). Third, you can't disguise a guy hanging around a school with a suspicious bulge under his arm. Fourth, the idea of putting armed police in schools and god knows where else just so juveniles and paranoids can enjoy their arsenals of assault weapons strikes me as nuts.

[Argus]

http://www.leaderpos...2547/story.html

What I don't get with a point of view like the one espoused by this particular editorial writer, is how they reconcile the lack of mass shootings in much less religious places. If it is a lack of God that causes these shootings, America wouldn't have any, never mind more than the rest of the world combined!

God seems ever-present in Pakistan and you never see violence ... oh wait.

[cybercoma]

I wonder if there's a correlation between a nation's religiosity and the amount of violence in those nations or perpetrated by those nations. Hmm...

[Shady]

I wonder if there's a correlation between a nation's religiosity and the amount of violence in those nations or perpetrated by those nations. Hmm...

What does religion have to do with this event?

Anyways, probably the same correlation between atheism and Stalin, Mao, etc.

[cybercoma]

What does religion have to do with this event?

Anyways, probably the same correlation between atheism and Stalin, Mao, etc.

You don't really understand how correlation works or what it means, do you?

[Shady]

You don't really understand how correlation works or what it means, do you?

I wonder if there's a correlation between a certain religion that tends to be more violent than the others too. Hmmmm.

[cybercoma]

I wonder if there's a correlation between a certain religion that tends to be more violent than the others too. Hmmmm.

Thank you, Shady. I now understand your posts about polling throughout the election.

[Guest Derek L]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear on the numerous ways this is stupid. First, the possibility there might be a cop in a school is not going to deter a wack job.

Why not? How many mass shootings take place at gun shows or in front of police stations.......The closest to such an example that I can think of would be the Ft Hood shootings, but even then, the gunman chose a clinic on the opposite side of the base from the MP shack…….

Second, the cost would be enormous. I dislike enormous costs for no or minimal results (see long gun registration).

Why would it be enormous? I’ve never heard of complaints of costing for the Federal Sky Marshalls or the Canadian equivalent.

Third, you can't disguise a guy hanging around a school with a suspicious bulge under his arm.

Bullshit……..There’s an entire industry associated with making concealed carry holsters, just as the firearms industry makes compact versions of their products for said purpose……….And shoulder holsters? Come on, leave the 70s alone.

Fourth, the idea of putting armed police in schools and god knows where else just so juveniles and paranoids can enjoy their arsenals of assault weapons strikes me as nuts.

We put armed police on airliners so people can enjoy their flights.........Now you're scared of the armed police?