Mass shooting

[Guest American Woman]

Whatever it is, something has gone terribly wrong within your borders.

You'll have to excuse me, as I won't dignify that with a response.

I think that is a grossly unfair post.

Thank you.

[BC_chick]

Cause you don't have a response, AW. How can you defend the indefensible?

[Guest American Woman]

That happens more per capita in the US than any other first-class nation.

Try getting off the per capita kick. As I said, incidents such as this don't rise in accordance with "per capita." No other "first class nation" has the population that the U.S. does or the diversity of conditions.

[Guest American Woman]

Cause you don't have a response, AW. How can you defend the indefensible?

Yeah. ""

[BC_chick]

Try getting off the per capita kick. As I said, incidents such as this don't rise in accordance with "per capita." No other "first class nation" has the population that the U.S. does or the diversity of conditions.

Combine the population of Canada, Europe and Australia and we still don't have as many mass-shootings as you guys.

[Black Dog]

AW is right. there's nothing wrong with the United States. people are dying in huge numbers every day. Just is the way they want it to be.

[The_Squid]

Killing sprees are rare?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/07/appalling-frequency-of-the-shooting-spree.html

Not counting drive-bys, gang ambushes, and ­domestic homicides (and countless cases in which gunfire at parks, bars, and shopping malls pierced flesh but did not take lives)......

   

4/20/99

Columbine High School, Littleton, Colo. 15 killed, 24 injured.

7/29/99

Investment offices, Atlanta, Ga. 13 killed, 12 injured.

9/15/99

Church, Fort Worth, Tex. 8 killed, 7 injured.

11/2/99

Office building, Honolulu. 7 killed.

12/30/99

Hotel, Tampa, Fla. 5 killed, 3 injured.

5/24/00

Fast-food restaurant, Queens. 5 killed, 2 injured.

12/26/00

Technology company, Wakefield, Mass. 7 killed.

3/5/01

High school, Santee, Calif. 2 killed, 13 injured.

12/6/01

Factory, Goshen, Ind. 2 killed, 6 injured.

11/21/04

Hunting grounds near Meteor, Wis. 6 killed, 2 injured.

2/25/05

Courthouse, Tyler, Tex. 2 killed, 4 injured.

3/11/05

Courthouse, Atlanta. 4 killed.

3/14/05

Church, Brookfield, Wis. 7 killed, 4 injured.

3/21/05

High school, Red Lake Indian Reservation, Minn. 10 killed, 7 injured.

1/30/06

Mail-processing plant, Goleta, Calif. 8 killed.

7/28/06

Nonprofit office, Seattle. 1 killed, 5 injured.

8/24/06

Various locations, Essex, Vt. 2 killed, 3 injured.

10/2/06

School, Nickel Mines, Pa. 5 killed, 6 injured.

12/9/06

Law office, Chicago. 4 killed.

12/12/06

Strip club, New Bedford, Mass. 4 killed, 2 injured.

2/12/07

Shopping mall, Salt Lake City. 6 killed.

4/16/07

College campus, Blacksburg, Va. 33 killed, 17 injured.

5/20/07

Courthouse and private residence, Moscow, Idaho. 4 killed, 3 injured.

7/22/07

Bar, Philadelphia. 3 killed.

8/4/07

Elementary school, Newark, N.J. 3 killed, 1 injured.

8/12/07

Coffee shop, Dallas. 1 killed, 3 injured.

10/10/07

High school, Cleveland. 1 killed, 4 injured.

11/4/07

Nightclub, Denver. 1 killed, 6 injured.

12/5/07

Department store, Omaha. 9 killed, 5 injured.

12/9/07

Missionary training center and church, Arvada and Colorado Springs, Colo. 5 killed, 5 injured.

2/2/08

Clothing store, Tinley Park, Ill. 5 killed, 1 injured.

2/7/08

City Council meeting, Kirkwood, Mo. 7 killed, 2 injured.

2/14/08

College campus, DeKalb, Ill. 6 killed, 16 injured.

3/4/08

Fast-food restaurant, West Palm Beach, Fla. 2 killed, 5 injured.

3/30/08

Church event, Richmond, Calif. 1 killed, 4 injured.

5/25/08

Bar, Winnemucca, Nev. 2 killed, 2 injured.

5/26/08

Memorial Day BBQ, Jackson, Miss. 1 killed, 4 injured.

6/1/08

Bar, North Versailles, Pa. 5 killed.

6/22/08

Nightclub, St. Paul, Minn. 1 killed, 3 injured.

6/24/08

Plastics plant, Henderson, Ky. 6 killed, 1 injured.

7/4/08

Street party, Milwaukee. 4 killed, 2 injured.

7/6/08

Street party, Pompano Beach, Fla. 1 killed, 3 injured.

7/27/08

Church, Knoxville, Tenn. 2 killed, 7 injured.

7/31/08

Swimming hole, Niagara, Wis. 3 killed, 1 injured.

9/2/08

Various locations, Alger, Wash. 6 killed, 2 injured.

9/11/08

Youth basketball ceremony, Philadelphia. 2 killed, 3 injured.

9/23/08

Bus station, Compton, Calif. 2 killed, 3 injured.

10/24/08

Various locations, Newark, N.J. 2 killed, 4 injured.

11/2/08

Fast-food parking lot, Orlando, Fla. 1 killed, 3 injured.

11/9/08

Bar, Columbus, Ind. 1 killed, 3 injured.

11/16/08

Nightclub, Dallas. 1 killed, 4 injured.

11/16/08

Mall parking lot, Odenton, Md. 2 killed, 2 injured.

11/21/08

Elementary school, Stockton, Calif. 1 killed, 4 injured.

11/22/08

Restaurant parking lot, Skyway, Wash. 1 killed, 3 injured.

11/23/08

Turfgrass business and private home, Murfreesboro, N.C. 3 killed, 1 injured.

12/7/08

Nightclub, Atlanta. 1 killed, 5 injured.

12/12/08

Bar, Trotwood, Ohio. 1 killed, 5 injured.

12/26/08

Bar, Lynchburg, South Carolina. 1 killed, 3 injured.

12/30/08

Smoke shop, Dallas. 1 killed, 3 injured.

1/24/09

Under-21 nightclub, Portland, Ore. 3 killed, 7 injured.

2/14/09

Hospital parking lot and private residence, Brockport, N.Y. 4 killed, 1 injured.

3/1/09

Bar, Largo, Md. 1 killed, 6 injured.

3/10/09

Various locations, Kinston & Samson, Ala. 11 killed.

3/20/09

Block party, Jacksonville, Fla. 1 killed, 4 injured.

3/21/09

Various locations, Oakland. 4 killed, 1 injured.

3/30/09

Nursing home, Carthage, N.C. 8 killed, 3 injured.

4/3/09

Immigrant community center, Binghamton, N.Y. 13 killed, 4 injured.

4/10/09

Hotel, Rosemead, Calif. 2 killed, 3 injured.

4/17/09

Car repair shop, Detroit. 1 killed, 4 injured.

4/25/09

Block party, Jacksonville, Fla. 1 killed, 9 injured.

4/29/09

Taco truck, Lennox, Calif. 1 killed, 5 injured.

5/6/09

Gas station, Detroit. 1 killed, 2 injured.

5/6/09

Grocery store, Chicago. 1 killed, 3 injured.

5/27/09

Bar, Canton, Ohio. 3 killed.

5/28/09

Methadone clinic, Birmingham, Ala. 2 killed, 2 injured.

5/30/09

Strip club, Springfield, Mass. 1 killed, 5 injured.

5/31/09

Convenience-store parking lot, Phoenix. 2 killed, 2 injured.

6/13/09

Convenience store, Lexington, Ky. 1 killed, 3 injured.

6/21/09

Bar, Philadelphia. 1 killed, 6 injured.

7/1/09

Dental office, Simi Valley, Calif. 1 killed, 3 injured.

7/6/09

Block party, Overtown, Fla. 2 killed, 10 injured.

7/11/09

Street party, Concord, N.C. 1 killed, 3 injured.

7/25/09

Motorcycle club, Aurora, Colo. 1 killed, 3 injured.

8/4/09

Fitness center, Collier, Pa. 3 killed, 9 injured.

8/4/09

Fast-food-restaurant parking lot, Atlantic City, N.J. 1 killed, 3 injured.

8/30/09

Bar, Moss Point, Miss. 1 killed, 6 injured.

11/1/09

Television store, Mount Airy, N.C. 4 killed.

11/4/09

Nightclub, Denver. 1 killed, 6 injured.

11/5/09

Army base, Fort Hood, Tex. 13 killed, 30 injured.

11/6/09

Engineering firm, Orlando, Fla. 1 killed, 5 injured.

11/7/09

Bar, Vail, Colo. 1 killed, 3 injured.

11/8/09

Bar, Reading, Penn. 1 killed, 6 injured.

11/10/09

Drug-testing lab, Tualatin, Ore. 1 killed, 2 injured.

11/28/09

Gas station, Brockton, Mass. 1 killed, 3 injured.

11/29/09

Coffee shop, Lakewood, Wash. 4 killed.

1/7/10

Power plant, St. Louis. 4 killed, 5 injured.

1/12/10

Truck-leasing company, Kennesaw, Ga. 2 killed, 3 injured.

1/16/10

Nightclub, Oklahoma City. 1 killed, 4 injured.

2/12/10

College campus, Huntsville, Alabama. 3 killed, 3 injured.

2/21/10

Bar, Philadelphia. 1 killed, 3 injured.

4/3/10

Restaurant, North Hollywood. 4 killed, 2 injured.

6/6/10

Restaurant, Hialeah, Florida. 5 killed, 3 injured.

6/19/10

Restaurant, San Bernardino, Calif. 3 killed, 2 injured.

8/3/10

Beer distribution factory, Hartford, Conn. 9 killed, 2 injured.

11/30/10

Funeral home, St. Louis. 2 killed, 2 injured.

12/14/10

Shopping center, Sacramento, Calif. 1 killed, 5 injured.

1/8/11

Shopping center, Tucson, Ariz. 6 killed, 13 injured.

3/25/11

Nightclub, Irvington, N.J. 1 killed, 4 injured.

6/20/11

Pharmacy, Medford, N.Y. 4 killed.

6/30/11

Nightclub, Lauderdale Lakes, Fla. 2 killed, 10 injured.

7/23/11

Roller-skating rink, Grand Prairie, Tex. 6 killed.

9/6/11

Pancake restaurant, Carson City, Nev. 5 killed, 7 injured.

10/5/11

Cement plant, Cupertino, Calif. 3 killed, 7 injured.

10/8/11

Nightclub, Dallas. 8 killed.

10/10/11

Bar, Anchorage, Alaska. 2 killed, 2 injured.

10/12/11

Hair salon, Orange County, Calif. 8 killed, 1 injured.

12/16/11

Office, Irwindale, Calif. 3 killed, 2 injured.

2/21/12

Spa, Norcross, Ga. 5 killed.

2/26/12

Nightclub, Jackson, Tenn. 1 killed, 20 injured.

2/27/12

High school, Chardon, Ohio. 3 killed, 2 injured.

3/8/12

Psychiatric hospital, Pittsburgh. 1 killed, 7 injured.

3/30/12

Funeral home, North Miami, Fla. 2 killed, 12 injured.

4/2/12

Vocational school, Oakland. 7 killed, 3 injured.

5/30/12

Café, Seattle. 6 killed.

6/20/12

Nightclub, Houston. 3 killed, 2 injured.

7/9/12

Park, Dover, Del. 3 killed, 2 injured.

7/20/12

Movie theater, Aurora, Colo. 12 killed, 59 injured.

[Guest American Woman]

Combine the population of Canada, Europe and Australia and we still don't have as many mass-shootings as you guys.

Are you serious? Why would you combine the population of many separate countries and compare them to one? Do you think it would be relevant to combine the population of many little sleepy communities and point out that combined they don't have the crime that Vancouver does - therefore there's something really, terribly wrong with Vancouver?

Good grief.

Edited December 14, 2012 by American Woman

[Black Dog]

Are you serious? Why would you combine the population of many separate countries and compare them to one? Do you think it would be relevant to combine the population of many little sleepy communities and point out that combined they don't have the crime that Vancouver does - therefore there's something really, terribly wrong with Vancouver?

Good grief.

[BC_chick]

Are you serious? Why would you combine the population of many separate countries and compare them to one? Do you think it would be relevant to combine the population of many little sleepy communities and point out that combined they don't have the crime that Vancouver does - therefore there's something really, terribly wrong with Vancouver?

Good grief.

Which brings us back to the per capita rates which you seem to say is irrelevant. When comparing crime rates, per capita is used to put things in persepctive. So a town outside of Vancouver has x number of gun crimes per 100,000 people vs. Vancouver.

Your country has a very high number of mass-shootings per capita than any other first-world nation.

[Guest American Woman]

Great response!

Now tell me again how lots of kids dying is "just the way we want it to be" in the U.S.

Edited December 14, 2012 by American Woman

[GostHacked]

Mexico ?

Guess were a lot of those guns are coming from. Ask AG Holder about Fast and Furious.

[Black Dog]

Great response!

Now tell me again how lots of kids dying is "just the way we want it to be" in the U.S.

Well, I take from your denial that there's actually a problem that all is as it's supposed to be. But I dunno, we do things differently here.

[GostHacked]

Great response!

Now tell me again how lots of kids dying is "just the way we want it to be" in the U.S.

I think you missed the point Black Dog was trying to make.

[Guest American Woman]

Which brings us back to the per capita rates which you seem to say is irrelevant. When comparing crime rates, per capita is used to put things in persepctive. So a town outside of Vancouver has x number of gun crimes per 100,000 people vs. Vancouver.

Your country has a very high number of mass-shootings per capita than any other first-world nation.

Try to understand that crime doesn't rise proportionately to per capita. Do you not get that? Seriously? Again. No other first-world nation has the population that the U.S. has or the diversity of conditions. I'll try to put it so you might better understand it. Take Mayberry USA, where there are no murders. Vancouver has 1000 times the population. 1000 x 0 = 0, yet obviously Vancouver doesn't have zero murders. So why does Vancouver have so many more murders per capita? Obviously there is something really, terribly wrong with Vancouver. Right?

[GostHacked]

Try to understand that crime doesn't rise proportionately to per capita. Do you not get that? Seriously? Again. No other first-world nation has the population that the U.S. has or the diversity of conditions. I'll try to put it so you might better understand it. Take Mayberry USA, where there are no murders. Vancouver has 1000 times the population. 1000 x 0 = 0, yet obviously Vancouver doesn't have zero murders. So why does Vancouver have so many more murders per capita? Obviously there is something really, terribly wrong with Vancouver. Right?

Been to Hastings?

[BC_chick]

Try to understand that crime doesn't rise proportionately to per capita. Do you not get that? Seriously? Again. No other first-world nation has the population that the U.S. has or the diversity of conditions. I'll try to put it so you might better understand it. Take Mayberry USA, where there are no murders. Vancouver has 1000 times the population. 1000 x 0 = 0, yet obviously Vancouver doesn't have zero murders. So why does Vancouver have so many more murders per capita? Obviously there is something really, terribly wrong with Vancouver. Right?

Mayberry would have 0 murders per 100,000 and Vancouver would have x/100,000.

When comparing crime rates regionally, per capita is used. It's the only way to put things in perspective.

[Guest American Woman]

Mayberry would have 0 murders per 100,000 and Vancouver would have x/100,000.

When comparing crime rates regionally, per capita is used. It's the only way to put things in perspective.

Yes, so obviously Vancouver would have many more murders per capita, so one can only conclude that there is something really, terribly wrong with Vancouver. RIGHT?

[cybercoma]

Try to understand that crime doesn't rise proportionately to per capita.

This doesn't make any sense. Per capita is a proportion.

[Guest American Woman]

This doesn't make any sense. Per capita is a proportion.

It makes sense in the context it's being discussed. Try reading beyond the portion of my post that you quoted.

[CPCFTW]

This doesn't make any sense. Per capita is a proportion.

We have a math whiz here!!

[BC_chick]

Yes, so obviously Vancouver would have many more murders per capita, so one can only conclude that there is something really, terribly wrong with Vancouver. RIGHT?

Is that what's been troubling you with what I said? Wow, quit being so literal, I was responding to the denial that there is a correlation between your gun-laws and mass-shootings.

So to reiterate if it's not the gun-laws then something has gone terribly wrong within your borders.

IOW, it's your gun-laws.

Understand?

[BC_chick]

This doesn't make any sense. Per capita is a proportion.

Apparently it's meaningless! All these years statistics on crime have been using a meaningless criteria. Go figure.

Edited December 14, 2012 by BC_chick

[Guest American Woman]

Is that what's been troubling you with what I said? Wow, quit being so literal, I was responding to the denial that there is a correlation between your gun-laws and mass-shootings.

So to reiterate if it's not the gun-laws then something has gone terribly wrong within your borders.

IOW, it's your gun-laws.

Understand?

Then something has gone terribly wrong within Vancouver, since the per capita murder rate is so much higher than Mayberry, USA.

Understand?

[Black Dog]

Is that what's been troubling you with what I said? Wow, quit being so literal, I was responding to the denial that there is a correlation between your gun-laws and mass-shootings.

So to reiterate if it's not the gun-laws then something has gone terribly wrong within your borders.

IOW, it's your gun-laws.

Understand?

You should know by now that AW gets very pissy with suggestions that her country is anything but a shining beacon on the hill. The fact that the hill is a pile of dead bodies is not to be mentioned.