jbg Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Send in the UN inspectors ! Yes, right into the heart of a sarin attack. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Yes...that n' bear mace. Owzers. Never had the bear spray, but I carry it with me when I'm in Jasper, so I'm sure to get a faceful if I see a Grizzly. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 I always thought it was common knowledge that numerous countries had chemical weapons. All those troops training in full CBW gear...tanks that were chemical/radiation proof...etc, etc. It's fun setting Circle William and testing the wash down system on surface ships. It gets really hot and uncomfortable wearing the masks and donning other gear to the point of wishing you were already dead. But, I suppose if you grow-up after the Cold War, it all seems pretty far-fetched. Zee kids look at me and go 'no f'n way' when I tell them how this tiny northern city was to be ringed with H-Bomb detonations in order to burst all the hydroelectric dams in the area. Hey...if it's not on Facebook.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Syria is loading bombs with sarin glass and is awaiting orders from their president to drop these on their protesting citizens. http://worldnews.nbc...sads-order?lite If there ever was a time that military intervention was necessary in international affairs, this is it. I dont see any reason to get involved at all, nor do I see any real prove the regime will use chemical weapons. Not to mention the FSA that we would be backing is every bit as bad. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Posted December 6, 2012 I didn't say I support the rebels. I clearly said I oppose the use of chemical weapons. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) I dont see any reason to get involved at all, nor do I see any real prove the regime will use chemical weapons. Not to mention the FSA that we would be backing is every bit as bad. I agree, and remained unmoved by those who now want to use "military intervention" when it meets their desires. These are just more WMD lies! Edited December 6, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Posted December 6, 2012 I dont see any reason to get involved at all, nor do I see any real prove the regime will use chemical weapons. You would oppose action until thousands if innocent people suffer horrible agonizing deaths. Some people are more compassionate than that. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Clowns are okay, if half the world doesn't suddenly realise that the most powerful country in it is run by them. They really shouldn't have made with the threats if they weren't willing to back them up. Tough bounce.....if half the world can't/won't do anything better about it, then who are the clowns. Who knows, maybe they are. Maybe the guys that got OBL are already lining up to go get Assad. I hope not...that would be evil American aggression. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) Tough bounce.....if half the world can't/won't do anything better about it, then who are the clowns. I hope not...that would be evil American aggression. I'm not talking about how it would be a good idea to act. I'm talking about how it is a bad idea to say one is going to when one is not. Edited December 6, 2012 by bcsapper Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 I'm not talking about how it would be a good idea to act. I'm talking about how it is a bad idea to say one is going to when one is not. Welcome to political rhetoric Obama style. George W. Bush is retired. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 You would oppose action until thousands if innocent people suffer horrible agonizing deaths. Some people are more compassionate than that. Thousands of innocent people have already suffered "horrible agonizing deaths" in Syria. Compassion has been lacking thus far. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
TimG Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 You would oppose action until thousands if innocent people suffer horrible agonizing deaths. Some people are more compassionate than that.I fail to see the moral difference between killing a village with nerve gas or killing it with machetes as is happening in the Sudan. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) Thousands of innocent people have already suffered "horrible agonizing deaths" in Syria. Compassion has been lacking thus far. Hell...you and I are probably wondering when they're going to tell Mr Tran and Mr Lee it's safe to return to Da Nang. But, since their daughters and sons just graduated...it seems a shame to uproot the kids. Plus, didn't that plucky little reporter eventually escape the Cambodian death camps? All is forgotten... Dith Pran Edited December 6, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 ...the killing fields will never be forgotten. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) ...the killing fields will never be forgotten. To each generation its Verdun, I suppose. The meat-grinder manifests itself time and time again but we act shocked when it happens. Two hundred million + AK-47s was bound to produce some results somewhere. I predict it will get much worse before it gets better in Syria. I imagine I'm merely one of millions thinking that way. Plus, I'm not surprised that Israel has more or less said 'oh well...screw this' with all the obvious BS going on around it. You've got Egypt turning back the clock to 1966...or worse; Syria tearing itself apart; Hamas being Hamas; Fatah being...well we're not sure yet.; Jordan egging on Abbas; Iran...we've all been there...wacka wacka; Qatari Sheiks with suitcases full of cash; Turkey going....hmmmmm....wait, we DO hate Jews; then the US and Canada send Mexed Missages about supporting this or that aspect of being under siege...then the vast majority of the planet going 'yes' to a terrorist group becoming a state headed by a Holocaust denier. I bet Israel needs a stiff drink. Edited December 6, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Think about the irony....Syria using nerve agent on its own population instead of Israel. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Think about the irony....Syria using nerve agent on its own population instead of Israel. As long as the surface winds are from the SW. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Well given how unwilling people were to forgive Bush for his faulty intelligence I think it is safe to assume that nothing will be done until we see dead bodies from a chemical weapon attack. Even if we are going to dilute the fact of intentional deception--lying people into war, which is inherently a war crime--you are pointing fingers in the wrong direction. If Bush, Blair et al hadn't been such monumental screw-ups, people might be more willing to trust claims for Just War. It's not dissimilar to the boy who cried wolf syndrome. So there's yet another bad residual effect of the Iraq catastrophe. They've sure been adding up over the past nine years. Heckuva job, Brownie! . Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 I bet Israel needs a stiff drink. Truly, they're too Good for this Fallen World. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Truly, they're too Good for this Fallen World. Let's hope not. They take survival much more seriously than we do. http://rense.com/general40/dooms.htm Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Let's hope not. They take survival much more seriously than we do. http://rense.com/general40/dooms.htm Got to give you that one.. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Got to give you that one.. To us it's a game. Is Israel still there this morning? Let's check the news... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 ....If Bush, Blair et al hadn't been such monumental screw-ups, people might be more willing to trust claims for Just War. It's not dissimilar to the boy who cried wolf syndrome. No, this is just more twisted rationalization to keep a false premise afloat. Long before Bush, nations did nothing to intervene in Rwanda, and your favorite, East Timor....and many others. Has nothing to do with "just war" concepts and a lot more to do with vested interests. Even Maher Arar abandoned Syria for profit and fortune. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Syria is loading bombs with sarin glass and is awaiting orders from their president to drop these on their protesting citizens. http://worldnews.nbc...sads-order?lite If there ever was a time that military intervention was necessary in international affairs, this is it. How quickly people forget about Iraq. Quote
Shady Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 How quickly people forget about Iraq. Exactly. Quote
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