jbg Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Assad has already said he would not use them on his own people. I feel better already. [/sarcasm] Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 I was only correcting your factual error. Your little sidstepping is cute, though! If you say so....the "facts" are always flexible for you. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 I am waiting with baited breath for Netanyahu to start using sarin gas against his electoral opponents and their supporters in the coming elections. A bit of a double standard, eh? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 I feel better already. [/sarcasm] He would have used them by now. But it's awesome that people are ignoring the fact that these rebels are NATO backed. CIA failed to do the job and now they have to bring the big guns out? Are people that stupid and blind? I guess go. Prepare for a false flag incident in which the rebels are using the chem weapons and blaming it on Assad. This is exactly how this is going to play out. OH NO HE IS GONNA USE CHEMS WE MUST INVADE NOW !!!!! ...... Why not a year ago? What's changed since then? Quote
bleeding heart Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 I am waiting with baited breath for Netanyahu to start using sarin gas against his electoral opponents and their supporters in the coming elections. A bit of a double standard, eh? ?? If you mean that everybody is supporting the use of chemical weapons, but unfairly denying Israel the same pleasure, sure.... .....what are you talking about again???? Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) He would have used them by now. But it's awesome that people are ignoring the fact that these rebels are NATO backed. CIA failed to do the job and now they have to bring the big guns out? Are people that stupid and blind? I guess go. Prepare for a false flag incident in which the rebels are using the chem weapons and blaming it on Assad. This is exactly how this is going to play out. OH NO HE IS GONNA USE CHEMS WE MUST INVADE NOW !!!!! ...... Why not a year ago? What's changed since then? Is there anything besides Infowars that details NATO's support of these so-called rebels? Edited December 6, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Yeah, a fair question. Let's assume that Infowars occasionally gets something right (gritting my teeth)...the way the National Enquirer has actually broken a real story or two. But a little more sourcing would be nice, and give people some real reasearch opportunities to sink their teeth into. Infowars alone does not have a great track record. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
GostHacked Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Is there anything besides Infowars that details NATO's support of these so-called rebels? Yes. But you would ignore that as well. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Yeah, a fair question. Let's assume that Infowars occasionally gets something right (gritting my teeth)...the way the National Enquirer has actually broken a real story or two. But a little more sourcing would be nice, and give people some real reasearch opportunities to sink their teeth into. Infowars alone does not have a great track record. The vast majority of photos of 'Syrian rebel's' clearly shows them holding Russian weapons. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Yes. But you would ignore that as well. In other words no...I've already searched. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 The vast majority of photos of 'Syrian rebel's' clearly shows them holding Russian weapons. Maybe Dick Cheney sold Rooskie weapons too...anything to make a profit ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Maybe Dick Cheney sold Rooskie weapons too...anything to make a profit ! That would be my first guess if I drank the kool-aid...yes. It must be Cheney...somehow. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/world/july-dec12/turkey1_09-26.html For months, leaders of the outgunned rebel force, the Free Syrian Army, have sheltered inside Turkey, funneling weapons across the border. But last weekend, they said they're moving their headquarters back into Syria. http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/is-turkish-camp-the-syrian-rebels-hq Turkish legislators visited a special camp for Syrian military deserters in Apaydin in the southern border province of Hatay yesterday. This camp, two kilometres from the Syrian border and closed to the media, is widely believed to be the headquarters of the rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA) that is fighting to topple Bashar Al Assad's regime. Although Turkey hosts leaders of the main body of the political opposition, the Syrian National Council, the Turkish government insists that it is not giving military support to the rebels fighting Mr Al Assad's security forces. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/18/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE88H0YX20120918 Saudi Arabia and Turkey are actively supporting Syrian rebels and are believed to be training them as well. Other Sunni Muslim countries in the region are also throwing their weight behind the mostly Sunni-led uprising in Syria. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) That's nice. Now show me the US weapons in their hands. There must be at least some...keeping in mind that theft of US weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan is at an all time high. Pro-Assad...AK-47s Rebels...AK-47s https://www.google.c...cF8HviQL2mIDQBw From Infowars... Apparent NATO backed rebel with Russian AK-47 http://www.infowars.com/syrian-rebels-ransack-christian-churches/ Edited December 6, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Who says they need to be supplied with NATO type weapons? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10827250 The factory that makes Kalashnikov rifles in Russia is being kept afloat by demand from the United States.The Izhevsk Machine Works has armed nations and insurgencies around the world, forging AK-47s and similar guns for militias and armies. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Who says they need to be supplied with NATO type weapons? http://www.nzherald....jectid=10827250 So your theory is that private sales in the US of Russian weapons are ending up in Syria by some scheme of NATO's? Please explain further. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 Oh...and more than one factory makes the AK-47...just a heads-up on your source. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 It would be nice if some of these people in these alleged "countries" found something productive to do. Is their sole gainful occupation killing people? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 It would be nice if some of these people in these alleged "countries" found something productive to do. Is their sole gainful occupation killing people? I do enjoy watching some of our MLW posters attempt to get lipstick on that pig. Like Israel cares what Norway thinks. They can't even protect a tennis match from their anti-Semites. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Posted December 6, 2012 Invasion of Syria would force Russia and possibly China to get involved. Sure we want to go down that route? If the order is given to use chemical weapons against their people, we sure as hell should. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 If the order is given to use chemical weapons against their people, we sure as hell should. Really? Why? Seems we have Assad's men vs al-Qaeda and pals. Perhaps let Jordan intervene. They're right there. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Posted December 6, 2012 Why? What makes them special? Seems to me that the problem is people are getting killed. The means of their murder is a secondary concern. Using your form of argumentation, I would be asking you a rhetorical question here that assumes your opposition to "special" chemical and biological weapons treaties. I've already addressed this argument in my post that you quoted, but you conveniently cut that part out. Maybe you thought it was unimportant at the time. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Posted December 6, 2012 Assad has already said he would not use them on his own people. In these situations it is not enough to just accept what people say. You need to look at what they do. If they're loading up bombs or missiles with sarin gas, then they need to be harshly condemned immediately by the international community at the very least. If he makes any moves to use them, then his people ought to be defended to the fullest extent possible. Quote
jbg Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 I do enjoy watching some of our MLW posters attempt to get lipstick on that pig. Like Israel cares what Norway thinks. They can't even protect a tennis match from their anti-Semites. What bothers me more than the "Norway" issue is the fact that no one conditions a right to "self-determination" on a modicum of national responsibility or self-restraint. What do the Palestinians want for a homeland other than a forward base for more murder? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2012 Report Posted December 6, 2012 What bothers me more than the "Norway" issue is the fact that no one conditions a right to "self-determination" on a modicum of national responsibility or self-restraint. What do the Palestinians want for a homeland other than a forward base for more murder? I tend to agree that this is just more prep-work for the next attack. Yes. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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