Isreal, Canada and the US says no!

[Topaz]

The UN passed a resolution for Israel to open up to a nuclear inspection but Isreal says no to it. The US and Canada also say no and few others countries, which I don't understand, All countries should be treated the same when it come the nuclear weapons. http://ca.news.yahoo...-054015770.html

Edited December 4, 2012 by Topaz

[GostHacked]

The only difference here is that Israel has never been part of the NPT. Essentially not obligated to open their nuclear sites to inspection. But I would say they need to be inspected regardless. I will cite Fukushima as reasons all nuclear sites around the world be inspected.

[DogOnPorch]

Grab your wee Geiger counter and have at 'er.

[Guest Peeves]

The UN passed a resolution for Israel to open up to a nuclear inspection but Isreal says no to it. The US and Canada also say no and few others countries, which I don't understand, All countries should be treated the same when it come the nuclear weapons. http://ca.news.yahoo...-054015770.html

Yup, iffen they ever find Israel on an Arab map so they know where it s, they should definitely send some unbiased UN fellers to look around a mite.

[Guest Peeves]

The UN passed a resolution for Israel to open up to a nuclear inspection but Isreal says no to it. The US and Canada also say no and few others countries, which I don't understand, All countries should be treated the same when it come the nuclear weapons. http://ca.news.yahoo...-054015770.html

So as I understand your position, all countries are equally dangerous when they have nuke capability?

[GostHacked]

So as I understand your position, all countries are equally dangerous when they have nuke capability?

What exaclty is the resistance to having their nuclear weapons inspected?

[DogOnPorch]

What exaclty is the resistance to having their nuclear weapons inspected?

Perhaps go over and ask them.

[Hudson Jones]

What exaclty is the resistance to having their nuclear weapons inspected?

The resistance is that Israel would be treated like everyone else.

[DogOnPorch]

So as I understand your position, all countries are equally dangerous when they have nuke capability?

Well...Israel IS constantly shooting nukes off and threatening their use on other nations.

[eyeball]

So as I understand your position, all countries are equally dangerous when they have nuke capability?

I'd certainly say so and that goes triple for any that also subscribe to a god of fear.

[GostHacked]

Maybe someone can take out their nuclear program as they had done to Iraq and Syria. Tit for tat and such.

[Topaz]

Since the US is the only country to used the bomb and they do also have movies about countries being hit by a nuclear war, maybe they should send over those movies to all the countries who have the bomb and remind them what could happen if they let one lose. The one I remember was called "the third world war" . It happen by mistake, Russia thought the US was attacking them but wasn't, so the US got nuclear bombs down in several cities from Russia. People who survived the bombing thought they were ok, until it started to "snow" and later they realized it wasn't snow and people died of radiation burns.

[WIP]

Prior to Harper, Canadian governments - conservative or liberal, had enough sense to at least refrain from supporting Israeli aggression and illegal expansion of the settlements. Now that they have forced nearly all of the Arabs out of East Jerusalem and claimed the entire city as their own, and will cut the West Bank in half, into two separate little territories with their latest expansions, what is the point of talking about "two state solutions?" That is nothing but a fraud now, and everybody knows that the endgame for the West Bank will be the fulfillment of Menachem Begin's dream of forcing all of the Arabs out and making "Judea and Samaria" an official part of the State of Israel.

And, I would hardly be paying attention to this issue myself if it wasn't for the fact that our Government is destroying what's left of Canada's reputation internationally. Those days when young Americans travelling abroad were advised to put Canadian flag stickers on their bags are long gone!

[Bonam]

Now that they have forced nearly all of the Arabs out of East Jerusalem and claimed the entire city as their own, and will cut the West Bank in half, into two separate little territories with their latest expansions, what is the point of talking about "two state solutions?"

Have you ever looked at a map of the area? Settlement in E1 does not cut the West Bank in half. In fact, the West Bank is still just as wide at its narrowest point as Israel itself is.

[GostHacked]

There are many Israeli settlements pockmarking the West Bank. There is already a divide.

[Guest Peeves]

The resistance is that Israel would be treated like everyone else.

Hallevai !

Tell that to the U.N. and those firing 2,330 missiles at them in 2 years.

[Guest American Woman]

The UN passed a resolution for Israel to open up to a nuclear inspection but Isreal says no to it. The US and Canada also say no and few others countries, which I don't understand, All countries should be treated the same when it come the nuclear weapons. http://ca.news.yahoo...-054015770.html

I'm curious. Why do you think they should all be treated the same "when it comes to nuclear weapons?"

[bush_cheney2004]

....And, I would hardly be paying attention to this issue myself if it wasn't for the fact that our Government is destroying what's left of Canada's reputation internationally. Those days when young Americans travelling abroad were advised to put Canadian flag stickers on their bags are long gone!

Both of these myths were created to fool the masses in Canada, not the world. It's about time that the realities of Canada's complicit foreign policy is finally understood at home.

[jbg]

The UN passed a resolution for Israel to open up to a nuclear inspection but Isreal says no to it. The US and Canada also say no and few others countries, which I don't understand, All countries should be treated the same when it come the nuclear weapons. http://ca.news.yahoo...-054015770.html

Why would Israel say yes? So that a leaky U.N. inspection agency can facilitate its obliteration?

Nuclear power is an existential need for Israel.

[GostHacked]

Why would Israel say yes? So that a leaky U.N. inspection agency can facilitate its obliteration?

Nuclear power is an existential need for Israel.

Maybe, but nuclear weapons are what we are talking about here. And that is not an existential need for Israel. And yet Israel wants entities like UN weapons inspectors and IAEA to check out Iraq's facility (since destroyed by Israel), Syria's(since destroyed by Israel), and Iran's???

Laughable.

[DogOnPorch]

Maybe, but nuclear weapons are what we are talking about here. And that is not an existential need for Israel. And yet Israel wants entities like UN weapons inspectors and IAEA to check out Iraq's facility (since destroyed by Israel), Syria's(since destroyed by Israel), and Iran's???

Laughable.

Perhaps we don't really want to know...lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb

[GostHacked]

Perhaps we don't really want to know...lol.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Cobalt_bomb

Yes we do want, and need to know. They need to man up and open up their facilities if they are to call on anyone else to do the same. They need to get on board with the NPT if they are serious about it. Makes one wonder what they are trying to hide.

[Bonam]

Makes one wonder what they are trying to hide.

It's obvious what they want to hide. The details and extent of their nuclear arsenal from their friendly neighbors. In all likelihood, Israel's nuclear arsenal is not as fearsome as it needs to be to be able to follow a MAD doctrine, and its much cheaper to keep that a secret and keep your enemies guessing than to go build another thousand nukes and launchers.

[Guest American Woman]

And, I would hardly be paying attention to this issue myself if it wasn't for the fact that our Government is destroying what's left of Canada's reputation internationally. Those days when young Americans travelling abroad were advised to put Canadian flag stickers on their bags are long gone!

Who do you think was "advising" them to do that? I've said it before, and I'll say it again - as an American abroad, I've heard jokes about Canadians and their huge maple leafs on their backpacks.

Some countries are scrutinized/criticized a whole lot more than others, and Israel and the U.S. top that list, IMO; it seems to me that Canada has been able to hide a lot of its actions behind the stereotype/myth/illusion of peace and tolerance, and not being put under a world microscope helps that happen. I know that's likely going to anger some of the Canadians on this board - the 'nicer than the U.S./Americans' image seems to be really important to some Canadians, but in reality, as far as I can see, there isn't a whole lot of difference in that respect.

Having said that, good for Harper putting his support for Israel right out there - for Israel and the world to see.

[bleeding heart]

Some countries are scrutinized/criticized a whole lot more than others, and Israel and the U.S. top that list, IMO; it seems to me that Canada has been able to hide a lot of its actions behind the stereotype/myth/illusion of peace and tolerance, and not being put under a world microscope helps that happen. I know that's likely going to anger some of the Canadians on this board - the 'nicer than the U.S./Americans' image seems to be really important to some Canadians, but in reality, as far as I can see, there isn't a whole lot of difference in that respect.

I'm inclined to agree. Sure, America and Israel have blood-soaked hands (some people even go so far as to deny that much....underlining the excellence of the doctrinal system, and the efficacy of propaganda.) But there's no good reason to give Canada a pass, as some sort of elevated ethical entity on the international stage.

Having said that, good for Harper putting his support for Israel right out there - for Israel and the world to see.

Why? It's not by any stretch a given that this is "support for Israel" in a meaningful sense--since it's not self-evident that the Palestinian move is bad for Israel.

Harper is "supporting" the wishes of the Israeli government, and perhaps intentionally aligning Canada with the American position...possibly for reasons made clear in my sig line.

It's not as if it's likely meant as some sort of moral position; I would never totally rule such a thing out, but I don't see it as the norm in international relations, so I'm doubtful.

Edited December 5, 2012 by bleeding heart