Guest Derek L Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Continued violence isnt the status quo between the west bank and Israel. The government there has been rounding up militants and siezing their weapons, including siezing rockets from Hamas operatives. One thing Canada could have gained from supporting the self determination of 4 million people is that we support democratic self rule. Thats out the window now. We dont appear to stand for anything at all these days. Israel? Quote
Guest Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 No I didnt say this... I just said what is already clear. The no voters voted to perpetuate the status quo which is a 40+ year military occupation and the violence that is obviously going to accompany it. It was a vote against the entire concept of a two state solution. How does this change the status quo? Hamas still doesn't recognise Israel, and regards its destruction as their main goal. Quote
dre Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 How does this change the status quo? Hamas still doesn't recognise Israel, and regards its destruction as their main goal. This had nothing to do with Hamas. The West Bank and gaza are different territories with different governments. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) Israel? Rejecting a two state solution that is favored by the majority of Israelis hurts Israel as well. All this does is help the hawks on both sides... Hamas and Likud. Two organizations that will never accept peace, and never recognize the rights of the other for self determination. Edited November 30, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Derek L Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Rejecting a two state solution hurts Israel as well. Then why did Israel vote "No"? Quote
dre Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) Then why did Israel vote "No"? Likud voted no. A hawkish party that openly plans to settle the west bank and keep it forever. Israelis themselves favor a two state solution by a fairly wide margin. Edited November 30, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
WWWTT Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Hamas is in poor taste. Not my comment. Ya so what? You posted a picture and then somehow you think your excused for saying that some people should be destroyed??? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 This had nothing to do with Hamas. The West Bank and gaza are different territories with different governments. So it doesn't change the status quo. Why should Israel give the Palestinians anything if the rockets don't stop? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Hamas should be destroyed. Just like the SS. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Derek L Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Likud voted no. A hawkish party that openly plans to settle the west bank and keep it forever. Israelis themselves favor a two state solution by a fairly wide margin. So the next Israeli election will see the Likud party given the boot and then the violence stop? Quote
dre Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 So it doesn't change the status quo. Why should Israel give the Palestinians anything if the rockets don't stop? There arent any rocket attacks coming from the west bank, and its their government that petitioned the UN today NOT Hamas. Any the palestinians dont want Israel to "give" them anything. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) So the next Israeli election will see the Likud party given the boot and then the violence stop? Not necessarily. A majority of Israelis supporting a palestinian state does not necessarily mean Likud will lose. Edited November 30, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Shady Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 This resolution doesn't change anything. I don't know why so many of your are so supportive. There's no substance to it. Quote
login Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) This resolution doesn't change anything. I don't know why so many of your are so supportive. There's no substance to it. Its real, get over it, the isreali's still have a better deal than they did under the Belfour declaration. It means they are a state within the UNO. Edited November 30, 2012 by login Quote
dre Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 This resolution doesn't change anything. I don't know why so many of your are so supportive. There's no substance to it. Theres already been some good analysis on what the admission of palestine to the UN as a state means. Your post as usual adds nothing. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Derek L Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Not necessarily. A majority of Israelis supporting a palestinian state does not necessarily mean Likud will lose. So once Likud finally loses, the violence in the region will cease? Quote
dre Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) So once Likud finally loses, the violence in the region will cease? Its hard to say, and I dont have a crystal ball that will answer your tenth rate, rhetorical questions. But if militant organizations like Likud and Hamas start losing political support that will certainly be a step in the right direction. If the stars align and we can get moderate governments in both the west bank and Israel at the same time then something just might get done. Edited November 30, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Derek L Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Its hard to say, and I dont have a crystal ball that will answer your tenth rate, rhetorical questions. But if militant organizations like Likud and Hamas start losing political support that will certainly be a step in the right direction. Well clearly based on precedent, various other Israeli political parties were unable to stem the violence perpetrated by the Palestinian people………Golda Meir was a quasi socialist, but I suppose it was her parties fault for the PLO attack on athletes at the Munich games……… Quote
jacee Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 How does this change the status quo? Hamas still doesn't recognise Israel, and regards its destruction as their main goal. Does Israel recognize Israel? What borders? How can anyone recognize a state that doesn't know it's own borders? Quote
dre Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Well clearly based on precedent, various other Israeli political parties were unable to stem the violence perpetrated by the Palestinian people………Golda Meir was a quasi socialist, but I suppose it was her parties fault for the PLO attack on athletes at the Munich games……… Maybe but by ALL accounts the Abbas government is the most moderate in history. It would be interest to see what might happen if they had a partner in the peace process on the Israeli side. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 We shouldn't be support or blocking this. We should have abstained. We should not be getting involved in this crap. Quote
dre Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 We shouldn't be support or blocking this. We should have abstained. We should not be getting involved in this crap. Supporting a group that is peacefully trying to achieve self determination through the correct diplomatic channels is consistant with Canadian values. But even abstaining would have been better than supporting conflict and violence. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Hudson Jones Posted November 30, 2012 Author Report Posted November 30, 2012 Does Israel recognize Israel? What borders? How can anyone recognize a state that doesn't know it's own borders? Good point. Why has Israel never defined its borders? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
jacee Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Good point. Why has Israel never defined its borders? Because Israel keeps expanding its borders? Quote
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