Topaz Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 IF, the Tories are truly not guilty, then I would think they would be doing something more than they have to prove they aren't the ones. just like that 20year old in Guelph, he said EC has cleared him but didn't make it public and he said it leaves a mark on him, which isn't true. So if this is leaving a mark on the Tories then they don't seem too concerned about it, why? Because they know that their supporters will support them no matter what they do?? Well, the next election will test that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Nobody cares if some over-zealous moron went out on his own and tried to screw with the election. Clearly, this wasn't condoned by the CPC, likely not even on the local level. It was just a small group of idiots. Tell us who they were and voters people can make sure they're never trusted again. Your implication he is that we need to hold the whole party responsible, or Stephen Harper or something, but that's just typical Topaz bed wetting. Edited November 21, 2012 by Moonbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 No, but don't act like this was some overarching plot to rig the election. That seemed to be the sentiment when this story broke. It's a voter suppression tactic and it seems to be coming from the Conservative Party. This is hardly surprising given the number of Republican strategists that are involved with the party. That seems to be their MO too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 If it came from the conservative party, why was it only in a couple of ridings, particularly ones like Guelph where it wasn't even close? Is it not more likely that this was just a couple of idiots acting on their own, despite the fact that you'd like to make it out as something far more based on your goofy suppositions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeyhands Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 the sponsorship scandal was a regional corruption scandal, nothing really new there, typical for quebec and the cpc and it's supporters made a huge issue of it...but that issue compared to electoral fraud is not even in the same league...election fraud hits right at the very fundamentals of democracy, shit like this happens in third world dictatorships not in western democracies, there is no bigger or more dangerous threat to our democracy than electoral fraud.... This deserves to be quoted and re-quoted as many times as it takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Seems like another re-cap of Nuthing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Right, but it's a form of propaganda. The daring duo at the Citizen have an agenda so they like to keep the story percolating and will continue to do so until the next election. That is unless they find something concrete, which so far doesn't look like a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Right, but it's a form of propaganda. The daring duo at the Citizen have an agenda so they like to keep the story percolating and will continue to do so until the next election. That is unless they find something concrete, which so far doesn't look like a possibility. A writer for the citizen today has pretty well said harper is toast because trudeau saying that the china deal should go thru and he thinks that proves trudeau is ready for prime time. I am starting to believe that no matter what trudeau does or say no matter how stupid, he is in on the 1 st ballat and will win the PMO hands down. But back to the topic , the tories say there is no evidence of anyone not voting that suppositly got a call. Time to let this oen go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeyhands Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Right, but it's a form of propaganda. The daring duo at the Citizen have an agenda so they like to keep the story percolating and will continue to do so until the next election. That is unless they find something concrete, which so far doesn't look like a possibility. The Daring Duo? Is this what it has come to? How sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 The Daring Duo? Is this what it has come to? How sad. It's sad that reporters have a political agenda and omit facts to suit their story, see post in the other thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 that these same tactics were used in ridings across the country is evidence that there was organized collusion by cpc members to commit fraud in the federal election...that they made efforts to cover their tracks is also evidence of advanced planning...this isn't the work of a few rouge party members... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) I believe it is (the work of a few rogue party members) naturally and so far there`s no evidence of any organized collusion by the party. However, no matter what the outcome, there are those who will believe what they want to believe and will continue pushing their meme until the election. Edited to correct spelling, not sure what^s happening to my keyboard - Edited November 21, 2012 by scribblet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 it was fraud committed by party members using the same methods across the country, that indicates there was advanced planning and coordination not the work of individual members who just coincidentally used the same methods and cover ups...any deniability is ludicrous, multiple party members took part in fraud and it's cover-up...that the cpc makes no effort to expose the culprits is evidence it is protecting members, if the cpc were innocent it would be in it's best interest in exposing the offenders not resisting investigation, cpc has no interest in revealing how deep it goes protecting key members... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeyhands Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I believe it is (the work of a few rouge party members) naturally and so far there`s no evidence of any organized collionn by the party. However, no matter what the outcome, there are those who will believe what they want to believe and will continue pushing their meme until the election. Sounds like another "party scandal" to me, wheres the outrage from the Booster Club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 it was fraud committed by party members using the same methods across the country, that indicates there was advanced planning and ........ You don`t know that, you have no evidence of any such thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 You don`t know that, you have no evidence of any such thing. the cpc has "non" party members working the phones from campaign offices does it? really? you have to be very naive to believe that, if it were true the cpc should be enthusiastically going after those "non" party members for legal prosecution and and protecting it's reputation...but no, the cpc merely goes into uncooperative denial mode with a "oh yeah! let's see you, prove it" stance just as you are doing and that's the behaviour of the guilty not the innocent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 huh huh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 the cpc has "non" party members working the phones from campaign offices does it? really? They absolutely do, I know that for a fact. Anyone can volunteer, and people walk in off the street offering their help all the time. There is no expectation for that person to be a party member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 They absolutely do, I know that for a fact. Anyone can volunteer, and people walk in off the street offering their help all the time. There is no expectation for that person to be a party member. right and they have access to robo call centers party lists, computers and throw away phones yup it's all a conspiracy by rogue outsiders... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Lets all agree that all parties do things that regular Canadians would find disturbing. No party is perfect and every party does things that are quite silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) right and they have access to robo call centers party lists, computers and throw away phones yup it's all a conspiracy by rogue outsiders... Right, and the diehard cpc fans can't see the truth with their blinders on. April 2012 Robocalls probe extends to Conservative Party headquarters But investigators are now combing over access logs for the Conservatives' Constituent Information Management System (CIMS) to determine who downloaded a list of phone numbers for non-Conservative supporters in Guelph. They are now certain the list of numbers in Guelph that received the robocalls came directly from CIMS, according to the source. The CIMS data were compared to listings of the outgoing robocalls provided under court order by RackNine and matched perfectly, the source said. Investigators Al Mathews and Ronald Lamothe are now trying to determine who had access to a list of voters who previously had been identified as non-Conservatives. Non-supporter data are entered into CIMS by volunteers collecting information during neighbourhood canvasses and by phone bank workers contracted by the party. CIMS is known for its tight access controls and detailed event logging and retains a digital record of every transaction on the database. Interns and volunteers have been sanctioned when the logs showed they had looked up Prime Minister Stephen Harper's listing, for example. The investigators have inquired about CIMS logs for one particular user in the party's headquarters. The logs show blanks between this person's CIMS logon and logoff on the day the Guelph data was accessed, according to the source. Also of interest is a call to RackNine made on May 1, the day before the vote, from a number in the Conservative party war room. Edited November 22, 2012 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeyhands Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Right, and the diehard cpc fans can't see the truth with their blinders on. April 2012 Robocalls probe extends to Conservative Party headquarters But investigators are now combing over access logs for the Conservatives' Constituent Information Management System (CIMS) to determine who downloaded a list of phone numbers for non-Conservative supporters in Guelph. They are now certain the list of numbers in Guelph that received the robocalls came directly from CIMS, according to the source. The CIMS data were compared to listings of the outgoing robocalls provided under court order by RackNine and matched perfectly, the source said. YOU HAVE NO PROOF AND THIS WAS REPORTED BY THE MEDIA SO OBVIOUSLY IT IS ALL LIES!!!!!!! WHERE IS THE PROOF THEN EH????? There you go Boosters. Took care of it for you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Where there's smoke, there's fire. Unless the smoke is coming from your party, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. Just not always in politics, especially when it comes to the robo call narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I would just like to see proof... There isnt any... And that can be confirmed now by the LEFT deamning Eelections CANADA be investigated! Simply an emberasment to the left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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