wyly Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Vancouver will soon be less than 50% white. How long are you going to sing that song. You mean if an Asian person won't hire whites or blacks in Canada, that's not racism. yup it's still racism...and my asian wife agrees as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Everyone is racist. People that try to make sure that they politically correct are among the most racist of them all. It's all about degrees of racism. Society will permit a certain amount of racism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Vancouver will soon be less than 50% white. How long are you going to sing that song. You mean if an Asian person won't hire whites or blacks in Canada, that's not racism. When native people kick the shit out of a white kid, that's not racism, but the reverse is? Sounds pretty oppressive to me. how many white families own businesses and hire kin too? People hire their own. When it's predominantly white people in positions of power in society, they have the systemic tools for oppression. When that changes, it changes. However, saying the Korean family down the road won't hire your white kid because she's white does not negate the fact that she has a better opportunity in society getting a job damn near anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) I think the man is in the right here. Certain Orthodox Jews also don't touch women. And there are other examples where personal choices of the worker must be respected. Where does it end ? Can you force people to serve you pork ? They've forced Christians to cater to same-sex on numerous occasions. Same-sex won in most I heard of. Edited November 18, 2012 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) Look at all these rulings by HRC (link below). See how HRC goes around Freedom of Religion - that although you win on the basis of your right to religion, you still end up getting penalized for it! British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal Smith and Chymyshynto v. Knights of Columbus Council, Hauser and Lazar (2005) For refusing to rent their hall to a lesbian couple for wedding purposes, the Knights of Columbus Council in Canada was brought before the BC Human Rights Tribunal for having discriminated based on sexual orientation. The Council defended itself by explaining that the hall was on the same compound as the parish church, and that it was adorned with Catholic symbols such as a crucifix and a picture of the Pope. This, they claimed, meant that they could not perform actions that went against Catholic dogma. The Tribunal acknowledged that the Council had the right to refuse to rent the hall on religious grounds, but it nevertheless ordered the Knights of Columbus to pay $2,000 for inflicting “injury to dignity, feelings and self-respect” upon the complainants. http://humanrightsco...ex.php/examples How many small businesses can afford to pay for "injury to dignity, feelings and self-respect?" What about the religious' person's feelings, injury to dignity and self-respect when he is forced to deal with this by the people (like this same-sex couple), who ought to know enough to go to secular establishments? Surely there ought to be a law to protect citizens from the maliciously frivolous? And from HRC? Edited November 18, 2012 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 If she was offered a haircut in the salon then what is the issue? It seems to me that the business provides a service, not the employees individually. If I phone for a cab, I don't get to pick the driver. I don't know her reason for refusing the offer....but there is a difference between taking a cab and getting a haircut. Some people want a specific hairdresser's expertise, that's why most hairdressers have their own clientele. The clientele even tends to follow the hairdresser when she/he move to another location. The hairdresser with a clientele is a good asset to a salon, and the popular ones are sought after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) My Italian barber didn't cut women's hair.... is he a misogynist because of it? As much as I don't like religious dogma, this isn't a legitimate case. What's the reason why he doesn't cut women's hair? Is it because he doesn't want to...or he doesn't have the experience and elaborate know-how in cutting a women's hair? You think if a woman comes in and wants her hair to get cut exactly as he would cut a man's hair, he'll refuse? If you cut and wreck someone's hair, you could get sued. Edited November 18, 2012 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 How many small businesses can afford to pay for "injury to dignity, feelings and self-respect?" If they didn't discriminate, they wouldn't be forced to pay a fine. What's the reason why he doesn't cut women's hair? Is it because he doesn't want to...or he doesn't have the experience and elaborate know-how in cutting a women's hair? I'm pretty sure women hair isn't all that different from their male counterparts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I don't know her reason for refusing the offer....but there is a difference between taking a cab and getting a haircut. Some people want a specific hairdresser's expertise, that's why most hairdressers have their own clientele. The clientele even tends to follow the hairdresser when she/he move to another location. The hairdresser with a clientele is a good asset to a salon, and the popular ones are sought after. Yeah, that was my fault for not reading the article. Another poster had said that, so I replied with that post. When I read the article I saw that the offer of a haircut came months later after legal action had been started. That said, your point about a hairdresser's clientele wouldn't apply here, as it was her first time at that salon? I think. Not sure why she would be refused if they'd done her before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 What's the reason why he doesn't cut women's hair? Is it because he doesn't want to...or he doesn't have the experience and elaborate know-how in cutting a women's hair? You think if a woman comes in and wants her hair to get cut exactly as he would cut a man's hair, he'll refuse? If you cut and wreck someone's hair, you could get sued. Well, she asked for a man's cut. His skill was not the issue. I'm not really leaning one way or another here. I just like to see the HRC in a bind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 They've forced Christians to cater to same-sex on numerous occasions. Same-sex won in most I heard of. Yeah. Christians have been forced not to be oppressive to people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Yeah. Christians have been forced not to be oppressive to people. There should be a 'like' option in this forum like on facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 They've forced Christians to cater to same-sex on numerous occasions. Same-sex won in most I heard of. Most but not all. The details of the case are important, and that's the interesting part of this thread too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Yeah. Christians have been forced not to be oppressive to people. Should this fellow be forced to give her a haircut, then? I hope it's not just before a hot date! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I hope it's not just before a hot date! You think they would give her an 'accidental' bad haircut as an act of retribution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I imagine she would come out of there looking like Don King first thing in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Rex Murphy's take: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/11/17/rex-murphy-freedoms-bad-hair-day/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 As much as Murphy's old-school, barbed style irritates me (oddly, I find it much better spoken than written, for some reason)...I agree with him. It's not even that I'm "siding" with the barber...about whom I don't give a rat's behind. It's that the complaint is trivial...so frigging trivial it makes the vision blur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Rex Murphy's take: http://fullcomment.n...s-bad-hair-day/ the Charter of Rights and Freedoms was a total hairless bust. He just had to say it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Yes instead of taking sides I think Rex's approach is much more suitable. Entirely a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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