US election prediction thread

[bush_cheney2004]

why would michigan vote against a new bridge that canada is paying for and will provide jobs.... as well the potential damage to local economy should the existing bridge need to be shut down for repair...it's hard to imagine people being that stupid...

Because of environmental impact, terminus at Delray displacing hundreds of people, under-utilization of the exsiting bridge and highway infrastructure investment, etc., etc. Why didn't Ontario upgrade their side of the bridge access years ago?

Michigan also doesn't want to make it easier / faster to truck Ontario's garbage and toxic waste to Michigan landfills.

[Guest American Woman]

why would michigan vote against a new bridge that canada is paying for and will provide jobs.... as well the potential damage to local economy should the existing bridge need to be shut down for repair...it's hard to imagine people being that stupid...

It's not quite that simple. Michiganders weren't voting for or against "the bridge;" we were voting for whether or not such a decision should rest in the hands of the governor - or the people. In other words, it's not just about this bridge.

[GostHacked]

Because of environmental impact, terminus at Delray displacing hundreds of people, under-utilization of the exsiting bridge and highway infrastructure investment, etc., etc. Why didn't Ontario upgrade their side of the bridge access years ago?

Michigan also doesn't want to make it easier / faster to truck Ontario's garbage and toxic waste to Michigan landfills.

Environmental impact .... like that really matters.

Displacing people ... like that really matters.

The government can take the land through eminent domain and compensate for them.

[GostHacked]

It's not quite that simple. Michiganders weren't voting for or against "the bridge;" we were voting for whether or not such a decision should rest in the hands of the governor - or the people. In other words, it's not just about this bridge.

Even if the bridge is needed, then it's political red tape that is the reason the bridge will never be built.

[Guest American Woman]

Even if the bridge is needed, then it's political red tape that is the reason the bridge will never be built.

Again. It's not about this bridge. It's about whether decisions about such infrastructure should be solely in the hands of the governor - or the people. How would you vote?

[wyly]

Environmental impact .... like that really matters.

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any environmental impact would likely improve detroit

Displacing people ... like that really matters

does anyone still live in detroit

The government can take the land through eminent domain and compensate for them.

any remaining residents would jump at the opportunity to leave...

[guyser]

Michigan also doesn't want to make it easier / faster to truck Ontario's garbage and toxic waste to Michigan landfills.

Is that about to start up again or something?

[bush_cheney2004]

Is that about to start up again or something?

Yes...apparently it is cheaper to truck the garbage to sub-urban Michigan than farther away to the great vastness of an unpopulated Canada.

[Black Dog]

why would michigan vote against a new bridge that canada is paying for and will provide jobs.... as well the potential damage to local economy should the existing bridge need to be shut down for repair...it's hard to imagine people being that stupid...

Because a billionaire owns the Ambassador bridge and doesn't want the competition. That's the nut of it, everything else is window dressing.

[Guest American Woman]

Because a billionaire owns the Ambassador bridge and doesn't want the competition. That's the nut of it, everything else is window dressing.

You do understand that the vote wasn't about the bridge, right? What? You didn't? Well, now you do.

[guyser]

Yes...apparently it is cheaper to truck the garbage to sub-urban Michigan than farther away to the great vastness of an unpopulated Canada.

When does it start?

I have not heard a thing about this.

[bush_cheney2004]

When does it start?

I have not heard a thing about this.

Ask this dead guy from Ontario:

http://www.wasterecyclingnews.com/article/20120703/NEWS06/120709978/update-body-of-canadian-man-found-in-michigan-landfill

[guyser]

Ask this dead guy from Ontario:

Why , he's dead?

Im guessing you know, but wont admit, that garbage is not trucked into Michigan from Toronto and has been that way for almost 2 years now?

Edited November 6, 2012 by guyser

[Topaz]

Everyone knows no one can really predict who will win but if was left up to the voting software, some of those machines are voting for Romney, when they push Obama. It was on the news tonight , it happened out west. The voter holds his phone up to show and take a picture of them pushing for Obama and Romney name was selected, the machine was pulled out of action.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Im guessing you know, but wont admit, that garbage is not trucked into Michigan from Toronto and has been that way for almost 2 years now?

There's more to Ontario and Canada than just Toronto, despite Toronto's feeling otherwise. Garbage and waste is still trucked from Ontario to Michigan landfills, including that dead guy. Private haulers are different from municipal haulers:

Waste & Recycling News

reported in February

that Canadian trash importation in Michigan accounts for about 15% of all waste landfilled in the state. Municipal haulers in Ontario are barred from sending their trash to Michigan, but private haulers can.

[cybercoma]

What does this have to do with US presidential election predictions? Stay on topic, guys.

[bush_cheney2004]

The dead guy from Ontario in the Michigan landfill predicted a Romney win....that's probably why he was killed !

[scribblet]

Everyone knows no one can really predict who will win but if was left up to the voting software, some of those machines are voting for Romney, when they push Obama. It was on the news tonight , it happened out west. The voter holds his phone up to show and take a picture of them pushing for Obama and Romney name was selected, the machine was pulled out of action.

Some of them are voting Obama when pushing Obama

http://www.examiner.com/article/rnc-touch-screen-voting-machines-cast-votes-for-obama-instead-of-romney

[wyly]

wooo hooo! looks like wyly wins the prediction thread, and I 2nd guessed myself going lower than my original thoughts...

[wyly]

looks like obama will finish with 332 and I was originally thinking 310-320.... then I chickened out and went 305-310

[BC_chick]

I don't know who is going to win, but I am very certain it will not be by a "landslide". Perhaps "landslide" means something different in Canada?

I need a copy of BlackDog's Haha pic.

BC2004, can you say L-A-N-D-S-L-I-D-E in American?

[guyser]

There's more to Ontario and Canada than just Toronto, despite Toronto's feeling otherwise. Garbage and waste is still trucked from Ontario to Michigan landfills, including that dead guy. Private haulers are different from municipal haulers:

Ok

Im guessing Michiganers want to keep taking the trash and making cash off the friendly neighbours.

Albeit in lesser and lesser amounts.

[TimG]

I was sure the polls would be wrong and the election would not be close (recent polls for every election have underestimated the winners vote). But I could not guess who would win.

I tend to think that voters ultimately make the right choices for the country and perhaps this defeat will be for the better if it helps create a republican party that is less obsessed with social issues (or at least puts the on the back burner). The idea that there can be absolutely no tax increases given fiscal pit the US is in now is also untenable.

The real question is whether Obama will govern like Chretien and make the unpopular tough choices to get the financial house in order. Or will he simply make the problem worse by ignoring it?

Edited November 7, 2012 by TimG

[Black Dog]

I was sure the polls would be wrong and the election would not be close (recent polls for every election have underestimated the winners vote). But I could not guess who would win.

I tend to think that voters ultimately make the right choices for the country and perhaps this defeat will be for the better if it helps create a republican party that is less obsessed with social issues (or at least puts the on the back burner). The idea that there can be absolutely no tax increases given fiscal pit the US is also untenable.

The real question is whether Obama will govern like Chretien and make the unpopular tough choices to get the financial house in order. Or will he simply make the problem worse by ignoring it?

No the real question is will the Republicans continue their obstructionist ways in spite of the need for action?

[bush_cheney2004]

Ok

Im guessing Michiganers want to keep taking the trash and making cash off the friendly neighbours.

Albeit in lesser and lesser amounts.

There was a state bill in Michigan to set tipping fees at $500 per truckload as a disincentive to seek and accept Canadian or intrastate garbage. I don't know what became of it. I would expect the identical "optics" if American haulers stepped up dumping in Ontario, as it does for New England states' garbage going into Canada. Economics drives the process unless politics says no.