Romney Lies about Jeep Jobs

kimmy · October 31, 2012

Come on, Scribblett, that is just pathetic.

Nobody here is stupid enough to believe Romney is running these ads for any reason other to try to deceive voters into thinking Jeep is sending American jobs to China. Pretending you think otherwise is beneath you.

-k

Shady · October 31, 2012

Further to this:

http://www.businessw...y-19-billion#p1

To counter the severe slump in European sales, Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America. The Italian government is evaluating tax rebates on export goods to help Fiat. Marchionne may announce details of his plan as soon as Oct. 30, the people said.

Does this mean Romney is owed an apology ?

Pretty much.

Shady · October 31, 2012

From the CEO statement today

I bolded the part for SHADY AND Scribbet who keep posting some unsourced BS article from business insider about Italy. Straight from the horses mouth ROMNEY and SHADY are LIARS. I expect a response of no one because I know when caught in a lie that conservatives run and hide.

http://www.detroitne...0101/210300401/

So it is Oct 30th and there is their plan THEY WILL MOVE NO JOBS MITTENS IS A LAIR. Over and done with.

Look, there was probably a backlash to their plans to move production, so now they've released a CYA to mitigate the public relations damage. I guess we'll see just how long production remains where it is.

Edited October 31, 2012 by Shady

kimmy · October 31, 2012

Look, there was probably a backlash to their plans to move production, so now they've released a CYA to mitigate the public relations damage. I guess we'll see just how long production remains where it is.

So we're supposed to believe that Chrysler had *secret* plans to move American jobs to China but they scrapped the plan because Mitt Romney outted them?

We're supposed to take the word of a proven liar in the middle of an election, over the word of the company that has recently spent billions of dollars retooling those plants that we're supposed to believe are going to get shut down?

Riiiight.

-k

punked · October 31, 2012

Look, there was probably a backlash to their plans to move production, so now they've released a CYA to mitigate the public relations damage. I guess we'll see just how long production remains where it is.

GM Statement:

“We've clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days,” GM spokesman Greg Martin said. “No amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back to this country.”

They are saying something I have said for a long time, you live in a different world.

Shady · October 31, 2012

So we're supposed to believe that Chrysler had *secret* plans to move American jobs to China but they scrapped the plan because Mitt Romney outted them?

Nope, possibly to China, but definitely Italy. Nope, Romney didn't out them. Bloomberg and some other news outlets did.

punked · October 31, 2012

Nope, possibly to China, but definitely Italy. Nope, Romney didn't out them. Bloomberg and some other news outlets did.

Nope. Everything you are saying is false.

kimmy · October 31, 2012

Nope, possibly to China, but definitely Italy. Nope, Romney didn't out them. Bloomberg and some other news outlets did.

Except none of them have ever suggested that any American jobs would be lost, so the whole premise that they're changing plans because of "backlash" is a load of bullmitt.

-k

BC_chick · October 31, 2012

Nope. Everything you are saying is false.

No forum infractions yet concise.

I like it.

scribblet · October 31, 2012

Come on, Scribblett, that is just pathetic.

Nobody here is stupid enough to believe Romney is running these ads for any reason other to try to deceive voters into thinking Jeep is sending American jobs to China. Pretending you think otherwise is beneath you.

-k

I never said anything to that affect nor that I believed it wasn't a form of deception, only that it's word smithing and spin as the ad itself never said ALL jobs would be lost... These things take on a life of their own.

Now it looks like a case of “right story, wrong country.”

http://watchdog.org/...plaining-to-do/

ETA: I don't think that ad was any worse than the dem. ad suggesting Romney was responsible for killing a woman who died of cancer.

Edited October 31, 2012 by scribblet

BubberMiley · October 31, 2012

"Wordsmithing" isn't against forum rules either. Though it's kind of insulting to us wordsmithers.

Edited October 31, 2012 by BubberMiley

sharkman · October 31, 2012

I never said anything to that affect nor that I believed it wasn't a form of deception, only that it's word smithing and spin as the ad itself never said ALL jobs would be lost... These things take on a life of their own.

Now it looks like a case of “right story, wrong country.”

http://watchdog.org/...plaining-to-do/

ETA: I don't think that ad was any worse than the dem. ad suggesting Romney was responsible for killing a woman who died of cancer.

Those who call Romeny a liar on this one are just as guilty as his campaign at fudging the truth. And yet the exact same behaviour by Obama's campaign is held to a different standard. Come on people, at least try to be objective.

BubberMiley · October 31, 2012

Come on people, at least try to be objective.

How did you "objectively" come to the conclusion that he isn't lying?

sharkman · October 31, 2012

It's a fair question.

So far, the only claim I've seen from the Romney camp is that Obama sold Chrysler to an Italian firm and they are going to make Jeep products in China. There is nothing untrue about that claim, Romney does not claim they are going to take american jobs and give them to chinese workers. The US Treasury held membership interests of Chrysler and sold them to Fiat. Romney's campaign does make it sound worse than it is, however, and that is something Obama's campaign is also doing regularly.

Edited October 31, 2012 by sharkman

BubberMiley · October 31, 2012

Romney does not claim they are going to take american jobs and give them to chinese workers.

You feel the best way to remain objective is to distance yourself from reality as much as possible?

sharkman · October 31, 2012

Okay, that is wrong for Romney to say that, but it's based on a story from Bloomburg which has amended its piece. This was mentioned by Chrysler right in that video clip you linked to, did you listen to the whole thing?

I watched several such clips and they all carry heavily edited footage of Romney's remarks, so you can't hear anything but a 10 second sound bite of Romney. Not exactly objective news reporting. Then they quote the union, like it's got any say or knowledge of what ownership is considering.

Like I said, Obama's campaign is doing the same thing, basing remarks on whatever story or source of the minute that allows it to claim a 'gotcha' on Romney. I don't know about you, but it's getting tiring. Bring on the election.

Edited October 31, 2012 by sharkman

punked · October 31, 2012

Okay, that is wrong for Romney to say that, but it's based on a story from Bloomburg which has amended its piece. This was mentioned by Chrysler right in that video clip you linked to, did you listen to the whole thing?

He wants to be the president before he tells a million Americans they are going to lose their jobs to China he better do his research. Romney's excuse of he doesn't know how to read the business section is weak. It just aint right for someone who is the President or who wants to be the president to slam the industry that built American because they refuse to pick up the phone and call some

cybercoma · November 1, 2012

Let's get something straight here. In this video clip, it's clear what Romney said, "Jeep is moving all production..." That is a flat out lie. All of you in this thread trying to spin it as something else completely ignore the fact that Romney said Jeep is moving all of its production, not adding production to China while expanding production in Ohio. I lived in Windsor, ON long enough to know that people who work in the auto-industry follow what's happening with those businesses very closely, so they're not stupid enough to fall for these kinds of lies. And that's exactly what Romney is telling voters. That they're too stupid not to see through his bull.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zax-iuCXcWQ

Sleipnir · November 1, 2012

Anyways, why's your boy lying so much? Why can't Obama tell the truth?

Not to be overly politically correct, but isn't it racist to call people of that skin colour a boy?

cybercoma · November 1, 2012

Not to be overly politically correct, but isn't it racist to call people of that skin colour a boy?

Shady's an expert in the Dog-Whistle Politics employed by the Southern Strategy of the GOP.

sharkman · November 1, 2012

Let's get something straight here. In this video clip, it's clear what Romney said, "Jeep is moving all production..." That is a flat out lie. All of you in this thread trying to spin it as something else completely ignore the fact that Romney said Jeep is moving all of its production, not adding production to China while expanding production in Ohio. I lived in Windsor, ON long enough to know that people who work in the auto-industry follow what's happening with those businesses very closely, so they're not stupid enough to fall for these kinds of lies. And that's exactly what Romney is telling voters. That they're too stupid not to see through his bull.

And now YOU'RE doing it.

Romney clearly did not say, "Jeep is moving all production..." He said they are THINKING of moving all production, and again, he based his comments on a Bloomburg story which was later recanted. Like I said earlier, it was wrong for him to say this. But shills like Rachael Maddow are too busy reporting inaccurate nonsense to pay it any mind. Fiat is indeed considering building Jeeps in Italy and China, whether or not the local union workers think they are. And the Italian products would be sold in North America which would impact Jeep production in North America in my humble opinion.

And again, both sides are being fast and loose with the facts, it happens every election cycle. I would have thought we'd be used to it by now.

Edited November 1, 2012 by sharkman

cybercoma · November 1, 2012

At 1:30 in the clip that I posted above Romney says, "Jeep ... is thinking about moving all production to China!" He placed the emphasis on all. He also said they were moving production. You know, if I move something, it removes that thing from it's original place. If I move my car from my driveway to the street, the car doesn't stay in the driveway with a new car on the street.

The only people playing fast and loose with the facts are Romney's cheerleaders on this forum and in his campaign because he was wrong. He lied about Chrysler and they're pissed. They had to correct him because they're not moving anything. In fact, they're expanding production in Ohio.

So you can sit here and play all the games you want in an attempt to spin this as though he meant the new manufacturing would be opened in China. That's not what he said at all. The fact of the matter is no American jobs are being moved and more American jobs are being created by Chrysler.

Now let's talk about Sensata...

Edited November 1, 2012 by cybercoma

BubberMiley · November 1, 2012

I like how the Romney cheerleaders often try to portray themselves as "objective" when they spin Romney's lies. :lol:

sharkman · November 1, 2012

At 1:30 in the clip that I posted above Romney says, "Jeep ... is thinking about moving all production to China!" He placed the emphasis on all. He also said they were moving production. You know, if I move something, it removes that thing from it's original place. If I move my car from my driveway to the street, the car doesn't stay in the driveway with a new car on the street.

And if you are thinking about moving your car to the street, then no change occurs(edit: unless you decide to move the car). But I do agree that he said "moving all production to China", which was wrong. They are thinking of adding production there, and having production in Italy to export to the US. But no decision yet.

Edited November 2, 2012 by sharkman

punked · November 1, 2012

And if you are thinking about moving your car to the street, then no change occurs. But I do agree that he said "moving all production to China", which was wrong. They are thinking of adding production there, and having production in Italy to export to the US. But no decision yet.

Yah I find it weird because the article quoted by right wingers say the decision was going to come 3 days ago. SOOOOOO maybe its a LIE! Like everything else in this thread.