Feds new budget

[Topaz]

Here we go again, another huge omnibus bill that shouldn't be allowed and even the PM was against it back in '95 and said so. So why have the Tories been doing this? Of course , they put in items that they know won't pass and then they stand up and say the Liberals or the NDP voted it down. I really think we should have some new rules in Parliament so NO party can abuse their powers, but you won't see the Tories do this. Frankly, I wouldn't blame the opposition parties walked out for 24-48 hour to protest this Bill, if its as big as word has it. Bills like this stop the MP from representing and doing their job for their constituents, even the Tories supporters. Walking out would also bring national attention to what exactly the Tories have put into the Budget Bill, like anything against the environment, for one .http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/10/17/pol-budget-bill-flaherty-cp.html

[Mr.Canada]

He does as he is told by the Bilderberg group who run the world. it isn't his fault. he has his master and it isn't PM Harper. Anyone could be in power and it would be the same budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants#Canada

Edited October 18, 2012 by Mr.Canada

[Boges]

Well you have to see what's being proposed before you get all PO'd.

The truth is that Harper essentially has a dictatorship. I'd imagine bills like this are just pragmatic ways of getting several bills passed at once.

They can propose them all separately and the result would be the same but this way it gets done quicker.

Clearly today the PM is making his plans public, so it's the media and the opposition's job to highlight anything the government is trying to do that would be bad for Canada.

[Mr.Canada]

It's the oligarchy that runs the PMO that I'm concerned with. PM harper doesn't run the country at all. he is merely a puppet of Bilderberg and Bay St.

[Smallc]

The great leader is a sham?

[Mr.Canada]

The great leader is a sham?

After the information I reviewed last night yes. All the worlds western powers take their orders from Bilderberg. It's the bankers who are running things. The big bankers, billionaire bankers.

[cybercoma]

Harper essentially has a dictatorship.

He may be a tyrannical party leader (I don't know), but he's not even remotely close to being a dictator as far as being Prime Minister is concerned.

[Boges]

He may be a tyrannical party leader (I don't know), but he's not even remotely close to being a dictator as far as being Prime Minister is concerned.

Well until the next election. How exactly can the opposition top him from passing this bill?

I hear this bill will have some MP pension reform so it can't be all that bad.

[PIK]

Well until the next election. How exactly can the opposition top him from passing this bill?

I hear this bill will have some MP pension reform so it can't be all that bad.

That is why the dippers and libs are trying to stop it, they want a separte deal, so they can try and save their great pension plan. This is called leadership, getting things done. Instead of taking years to get anything passed.

[Fletch 27]

What the hell is the next election going to do? Harpers popularity is RISING by the way! To put it simply.... Canadians approve of "Getting $hit done" effectively and efficiently!

Your forgetting, the Opposition is the "opposition" because Canadians did not like thier platforms!

Well until the next election. How exactly can the opposition top him from passing this bill?

I hear this bill will have some MP pension reform so it can't be all that bad.

[Topaz]

How is the government being "effectively and EFFICIENTLY" , 22 died and 15+ have become sick because the minister of agriculture didn't do this job and then he blamed everyone else, just like the Tories do. They are never wrong and they have had 4 years since the death of 22 and they still make it safer for Canadians. If the US didn't catch this how many more Canadians would be sick or dead? Every Canadian and American should be really angry at XL and the Canadian government.

[scribblet]

It's the oligarchy that runs the PMO that I'm concerned with. PM harper doesn't run the country at all. he is merely a puppet of Bilderberg and Bay St.

Are you serious ?

[cybercoma]

Well until the next election. How exactly can the opposition top him from passing this bill?

I hear this bill will have some MP pension reform so it can't be all that bad.

It's not just up to the opposition to stop it. It's up to the Conservative backbench to stand up to the cabinet and hold the executive branch of our government accountable. Harper was against omnibus bills himself and the reasons he outlined in his speech are still valid. The Conservative backbench needs to step up to the plate and stop the cabinet from creating this kind of omnibus legislation. There was once a time where they would actually hold the cabinet accountable.

[Smallc]

Are you serious ?

This is Mr. Canada....we're never really sure.

[CPCFTW]

Well until the next election. How exactly can the opposition top him from passing this bill?

I hear this bill will have some MP pension reform so it can't be all that bad.

That is why the dippers and libs are trying to stop it, they want a separte deal, so they can try and save their great pension plan. This is called leadership, getting things done. Instead of taking years to get anything passed.

Yup. The bill quadruples the contribution made by MPs to their pensions:

http://www.ctvnews.c...ments-1.1000693

MPs have long been criticized for having overly generous pension plans, but a new omnibus budget bill tabled Thursday could lead to dramatic increases in their contributions.

Under the Jobs and Growth Act, MPs would contribute $39,000 a year, up from $11,000 a year, toward their pensions.

“I think it’s good news for taxpayers,” Treasury Board President Tony Clement said on CTV’s Power Play. “It’s doing the right thing and paying our fair share.”

If the bill passes, the increased contributions will be phased in beginning Jan. 1, 2013 and be fully implemented by 2017, according to Clement.

The 450-page bill also proposes the age at which MPs can collect their full pension be raised from 55 to 65.

That change would be effective Jan. 1, 2016, Clement said.

With the proposed changes, public servants and MPs would pay 50 per cent of their income into retirement funds.

The increase for public servants – from about 37 per cent – would also be effective on New Year’s Day, according to Clement.

“That’s where the big savings are,” Clement said, adding that the increased contributions will save taxpayers $2.6 billion over five years.

Getting things done!! My respect for Harper as a leader has gone up and I didn't even think it could get any higher.

Edited October 19, 2012 by CPCFTW

[login]

Its what they wanted to do, they have a majority who the hell cares. Its not like parliament has mattered anyway. People voted conservative now the 90% of Canadians who didn't have to sit and watch it for another 3 years.

No one has had the balls since McGee to resolve problems like these.

Then you wonder why Americans make fun of Canadians behind their backs.

The only consolation in all this is if Flaherty had J.K. Rowling develope a story from the items that were sought to be worked into the installments.

The only sad part is that those 32% of voting Canadians may actually do it again.

The only way this can be resolved is setting up human sized mouse traps next to signs that say stand here for a reduction on the GST and other taxes.

This same mechanism could be used to reduce healthcare costs by replacing the sign with cheese.

Edited October 19, 2012 by login

[CPCFTW]

http://www.cpac.ca/eng/videos/66687

Flaherty sums it up nicely starting at 10:49.

[Sleipnir]

Getting things done!! My respect for Harper as a leader has gone up and I didn't even think it could get any higher.

What are you? Harper's parrot?

[Fletch 27]

Its refreshing to see good decisions made EXPEDIANTLY! You know,,,, geting the right stuff done fast... Whats in the Bill is great for Canada and great for not only our economy, but our political process. I hope the NDP and Liberals learn how "good government" functions..

Seems its making Mulcairs head spin with the sheer efficiency of this.... Hes at a complete loss.... Hes gonna blow a gasket....

[Mighty AC]

I hear this bill will have some MP pension reform so it can't be all that bad.

Bingo! That is the point of omnibus bills. Package multiple unrelated items together to distract and provide leverage for their political games. Any opposition member that speaks out against portions of the bill will be labelled as being against the pension cuts.

[Rockwoodrick]

This proves that a majority government in Canada is a dangerous thing - regardless of the party. With a minority government, things take a lot longer to get done. That means things get screwed up more slowly. Then we at least have half a chance to put the brakes on.

[Fletch 27]

This proves that a majority government in Canada is a dangerous thing - regardless of the party. With a minority government, things take a lot longer to get done. That means things get screwed up more slowly. Then we at least have half a chance to put the brakes on.

Yes, that worked REALLY well in Ontario didnt it...... Yup, no "screw ups" here huh? 7 years to put the brakes on Billions of dollars of waste, fraud and scandal... Long Line The Minority Gov!

Really?????

[scribblet]

Definitely has pension reform. C-46 Pension Reform Act was passed unanimously by all parties through the House of Commons. In doing so all parties also agreed to keep all other sections of the bill together in one bill.

It also proves the Opposition can understand even complex provisions and form a view on them in less than a day.

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