Omar is back

[PIK]

Omar was a minor child under control of his father and under threat of death as a suicide bomber if he did not comply with his father's commands.

He and his brothers were sent to suicide-bomber training camp. When his brother rebelled against his father, Dad 'volunteered him for a suicide bomb mission. Abdurahram escaped and may have given himself up to US military as he next showed up at Guantanamo, then a variety of other places informing on insurgents to the CIA, according to him.

I'm sure Omar was quite aware of the threat of death if he rebelled, the same threat all child soldiers are subject to.

Thanks for pointing that out, one brother left the other stayed ,he could have made the same decision as the other did, but he did not.

[Guest American Woman]

I'm sure Omar was quite aware of the threat of death if he rebelled, the same threat all child soldiers are subject to.

So this is the kind of immigrant that Canada embraces, eh?

[Guest American Woman]

The friends/family around him were getting killed and it was a "them (soldiers) or me" situation.

In all honesty I don't see how you would have acted any differently in his shoes, but pray tell.

You know how he could have acted differently? By making Afghanistan his home instead of wanting to come back to Canada, home of the Canadian troops who were also in Afghanistan shooting at his "friends."

Edited October 1, 2012 by American Woman

[DogOnPorch]

So this is the kind of immigrant that Canada embraces, eh?

These folks always try to make it look like poor old Omar was forced to go on high adventure in Afghanistan with his al-Qaeda big-wig dad.

[eyeball]

So this is the kind of immigrant that Canada embraces, eh?

What immigrant? Omar Khadr is a Canadian citizen, notwithstanding that fact we have a moral and legal obligation to try and protect and rehabilitate any kid that we rescue from similar circumstances.

BTW you do realize that vilifying a POW in custody is a war crime don't you?

[eyeball]

These folks always try to make it look like poor old Omar was forced to go on high adventure in Afghanistan with his al-Qaeda big-wig dad.

Only because folks who say otherwise are sociopathic moral degenerates.

[wyly]

Thanks for pointing that out, one brother left the other stayed ,he could have made the same decision as the other did, but he did not.

he was 20 which is a huge difference in maturity... take any 12-15 yr old kid to afghanistan drop him off in the middle of nowhere and tell to find his way home oh ya that'll work out well he can just call a cab to take him to the airport right? he'll have a passport and a couple of grand in his pocket to pay for airfare right?...

[DogOnPorch]

Only because folks who say otherwise are sociopathic moral degenerates.

I don't know about you, but I LOVED going out hunting/fishing/boating with my father. And no, I'm not a "sociopathic moral degenerate"...but, thanks for the personal attack.

[PIK]

What immigrant? Omar Khadr is a Canadian citizen, notwithstanding that fact we have a moral and legal obligation to try and protect and rehabilitate any kid that we rescue from similar circumstances.

BTW you do realize that vilifying a POW in custody is a war crime don't you?

Him being born here was a stragetic move on his father, so when the shit hits the fan, we have to protect and pay for his family.

[wyly]

What immigrant? Omar Khadr is a Canadian citizen, notwithstanding that fact we have a moral and legal obligation to try and protect and rehabilitate any kid that we rescue from similar circumstances.

BTW you do realize that vilifying a POW in custody is a war crime don't you?

and look at the type of immigrants the USA accepts, My linkLUIS POSADA CARRILES...this is the real deal a genuine terrorist mass murderer of civilians...

[Deuce]

I hope you realize that the US captured Omar Khadr, our agreements do not have much effect on their decision. So is it your opinion that Canada failed to force the US to give us Khadr so we can rehabilitate? Should we interfere in another nations internal legal proceedings in order to satisfy an agreement?

The US also signed the agreement. Ottawa could have put some pressure on at the time of his capture, they were notified 10 days after. Instead they decided to be complacent, and when they were tired of being complacent they decided to interrogate Omar themselves all while violating his charter rights, but I digress.

Must have been the ghost of the other guys that threw the grenade then? Unless you would like to explain how a dead piece of shit could throw a grenade Omar Khadr is the guilty party.

Where's your misinformation coming from?

The accidental release of a five-page "OC-1" witness report to reporters, which revealed that Khadr had not been the only survivor in the compound, as previously claimed, and that nobody had seen him throw the grenade. Officials insisted that the reporters all had to return their copies of the document or face expulsion from the hearings, but after a 90-minute standoff between reporters and military officials, it was agreed that they could retain their copies of the report, but had to redact three names from the report.

source: http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/300329

You are the company you keep, if he chooses to hangout with the human garbage that beheads people, throws acid in little girl's faces and all the other nasty stuff then there is bound to be some bad feelings over that.

You can pick your nose, you can pick your friends, you CANT pick your family.

And we are, he killed a US Army Sgt., he assembled and set up IED's many types of IED are not remotely controlled so they don't discriminate between soldier and civilian.

By that definition drone strikes should be considered terrorism, they are targeted to hit "insurgents" yet many civilian casualties are hit.

Posting a piece of the Neil Macdonald article that I think sheds a little light on the situation,

But this soldier was part of the American invasion of Afghanistan, and those U.S. soldiers enjoyed a rather special legal status. They were empowered to capture and kill anyone who stood in their way, and Afghans, or anyone else on Afghan soil, were not allowed to fight back.

To do so was a crime under international law, at least as interpreted by the White House, and, in this case, murder in the eyes of the U.S., though it took two military commissions, a number of appeals and an act of Congress to establish the military’s right to charge him as they did.

[Guest American Woman]

What immigrant? Omar Khadr is a Canadian citizen,

Since this is the comment I was responding to - I'm sure Omar was quite aware of the threat of death if he rebelled, the same threat all child soldiers are subject to - I was obviously referring to the person who he felt such a threat from; ie: his dad - who was an immigrant to Canada.

[madmax]

For what it's worth, here's my take on this. Khadr is not responsible for being what he is. His family holds responsibility for that. I think that, given his family, how he was raised, and his age at the time, he probably has been punished more than adequately for what happened in Afghanistan. My concern, however, is that like the rest of us, he is the product of his youth. His youth was spent being indoctrinated into violent Islamism, and with weapons training and combat. Since his capture he has apparently devoted himself to the Koran. Given the version of the Koran he was raised on, and what he was likely to encounter in Cuba from the other inmates, that does not inspire me as to his harmlessness upon release.

Ditto

[madmax]

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Edited October 1, 2012 by madmax

[Guest American Woman]

Only because folks who say otherwise are sociopathic moral degenerates.

Wow. Way to refute what was said. Who can argue with that, eh? No anger management for you!

How about explaining why you feel that way? Any evidence? Or is it purely your emotions speaking?

[madmax]

Thanks for pointing that out, one brother left the other stayed ,he could have made the same decision as the other did, but he did not.

He was captured in 2001. He became a CIA informant.

2 years later July 2003 he had a dead father and paralysed younger brother.....

October 2003 he returns to Canada.

The following month, he denied reports by the Toronto Star that he had been released in exchange for giving the Americans information on the location of his father, who was killed in a Predator drone airstrike in Waziristan two weeks before Abdurahman's release.[17]

you decide....

[Guest American Woman]

I don't know about you, but I LOVED going out hunting/fishing/boating with my father. And no, I'm not a "sociopathic moral degenerate"...but, thanks for the personal attack.

Sounds as if Omar was right where he wanted to be, too:

In early 2002, he was living in Waziristan with his mother and younger sister while his father visited infrequently, and took up beading his mother's clothes as a hobby. At one point, he was forced to wear a burqa and disguise himself as a daughter to avoid scrutiny, an act that upset him. When his father returned, he asked to be allowed to stay at a group home for young men, despite his mother's protests. His father agreed, and a month later allowed him to accompany a group of Arabs associated with Abu Laith al-Libi, who needed a Pashto translator during their stay in Khost. Khadr promised to check in regularly with his mother.

link

His father "agreed with" what Omar wanted. His father "allowed" Omar to do what he wanted. Sounds as if the only thing Omar was "forced" to do was wear a burqa, and that was his mother's doing.

[blueblood]

Even if khadr is released, God knows what his release conditions are...

And any bets at how tight those conditions would be enforced...

E

[DogOnPorch]

Sounds as if Omar was right where he wanted to be, too:

In early 2002, he was living in Waziristan with his mother and younger sister while his father visited infrequently, and took up beading his mother's clothes as a hobby. At one point, he was forced to wear a burqa and disguise himself as a daughter to avoid scrutiny, an act that upset him. When his father returned, he asked to be allowed to stay at a group home for young men, despite his mother's protests. His father agreed, and a month later allowed him to accompany a group of Arabs associated with Abu Laith al-Libi, who needed a Pashto translator during their stay in Khost. Khadr promised to check in regularly with his mother.

link

His father "agreed with" what Omar wanted. His father "allowed" Omar to do what he wanted. Sounds as if the only thing Omar was "forced" to do was wear a burqa, and that was his mother's doing.

As mentioned, I loved doing things with my father.

[Guest American Woman]

As mentioned, I loved doing things with my father.

Yep. And it sounds as if he did, too.

[DogOnPorch]

Yep. And it sounds as if he did, too.

...and why wouldn't he? Living a life akin to an adventure novel with one's hero father. Where does one sign-up?

Edited October 1, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[Signals.Cpl]

The US also signed the agreement. Ottawa could have put some pressure on at the time of his capture, they were notified 10 days after. Instead they decided to be complacent, and when they were tired of being complacent they decided to interrogate Omar themselves all while violating his charter rights, but I digress.

What kind of pressure could we put on the US? Sanctions? Threats of violence? He killed their soldier, it was their problem just because the problem was born in Canada does not mean we can force the US to hand him over. And even if he were handed over to Canada in 2003-2004 what would he receive as punishment? He would have been out shortly thereafter.

Where's your misinformation coming from?

1) He admitted to throwing the grenade.

2) The answer was to I believe Peter F, if all the others around Khadr were dead then it leads any person with a brain to come to the conclusion that the only pos alive threw the grenade.

source: http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/300329

It's irrelevant if he was the only survivor or not, what is relevant is if he was the only survivor in the area where the grenade came from.

You can pick your nose, you can pick your friends, you CANT pick your family.

Yet you can pick what you do in any given situation. If he had chosen to surrender during the course of the attack this could have been avoided and he would have been released long ago, what he chose to do is fight and kill an American Sgt. and this choice was all his own.

By that definition drone strikes should be considered terrorism, they are targeted to hit "insurgents" yet many civilian casualties are hit.

One is hitting an enemy with the intent to kill him/them and accidentally killing innocent people. The other is setting up IEDs in locations where you KNOW that people will be driving/walking through and not carrying wether civilians were killed and maimed or not. One is hitting a target knowing the enemy is there and killing innocent by accident, the other is a first come first die kind of deal.

Posting a piece of the Neil Macdonald article that I think sheds a little light on the situation,

What exactly is it supposed to prove? He did not fall in to the category of a legal combatant, a category that ISAF members fall in to, his organizations actively sought to make themselves illegal combatants and then people complain.

[eyeball]

I'm not a "sociopathic moral degenerate"...but, thanks for the personal attack.

It was an assessment of your treatable condition, not an attack.

[Deuce]

Sounds as if Omar was right where he wanted to be, too:

In early 2002, he was living in Waziristan with his mother and younger sister while his father visited infrequently, and took up beading his mother's clothes as a hobby. At one point, he was forced to wear a burqa and disguise himself as a daughter to avoid scrutiny, an act that upset him. When his father returned, he asked to be allowed to stay at a group home for young men, despite his mother's protests. His father agreed, and a month later allowed him to accompany a group of Arabs associated with Abu Laith al-Libi, who needed a Pashto translator during their stay in Khost. Khadr promised to check in regularly with his mother.

link

His father "agreed with" what Omar wanted. His father "allowed" Omar to do what he wanted. Sounds as if the only thing Omar was "forced" to do was wear a burqa, and that was his mother's doing.

Why bother posting "link" if its just going to take me to Wikipedia? Yep, now I'm convinced.

[madmax]

Even if khadr is released, God knows what his release conditions are...

And any bets at how tight those conditions would be enforced...

E

He will be followed and tracked by intelligence services of more then one country and org regardless of "conditions" .

And in all likelyhood a "terrorist cell" is doubtful to have anything to do with him, as he could be considered comprised, like his older brother.