Queer Centric school is next!

[August1991]

If the public is going to pay for this school it's only right that it should be able to sit in on the meetings. How will not being with straight people help them once high school is over I wonder. Afaik there isn't any queer centric Uni's.

The blacks and the queers were the ones who always screamed the loudest for equality, equal treatment and now, as I've said before, want and are getting special treatment. Nothing equal going on here at all.

If we are forced to have a State education system, then the least to ask is that the State education system imitate a private market.

In the private market, there are coiffeurs for women, men clothing stores, gay bars, and web-sites that specialize in left-handed scissors.

If a hairdresser can refuse a male client, is it wrong that a (private) school refuses a white student?

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Discrimination is a fact of life: women are free to choose a husband, a potential father for their children. If a (black) woman refuses to sleep with a (white) man, should the State intervene?

It is a double standard. So is the power imbalance between white straight people and everyone else.

Power imbalance? WTF? Edited September 29, 2012 by August1991

[betsy]

Schools have slowly been going to Hell in a handbasket for a least 50 years anyway. It would appear that no one and nothing will stop the slide.

It's going down to trash! We're talking porn! Did anyone see this on the news? News anchor couldn't even read the materials on tv since they're not appropriate! They just showed the list with highlights on porn materials.

Toronto District School Board had a list of sex how-to that includes explicit descriptions how to pleasure each other or yourself - things that appear in porn mags! Why don't we just legitimize porn materials? On all media. Remove movie restrictions of mature subjects to children - do away with movie ratings?

TDSB removes controversial sex ed link from website

A link to a website that discussed bondage and sexual penetration with vegetables has been removed from the Toronto District School Board's (TDSB) online teacher resource page.

TDSB spokesperson Ryan Bird confirmed that the link was taken down after complaints about the explicit content.

The website, which encourages safe sex, included a list of sexual options like "tie someone up and pleasure them," "cross-dress," and insert "vegetables" into sexual orifices.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/227769--tdsb-removes-controversial-sex-ed-link-from-website

I wonder what other reading materials are mixed among regular school books? You guys better quiz your kids carefully about magazines and other reading materials they see in school!

And if there is any evidence at all that any such materials have been shown to minors - big class-action lawsuits ought to be slapped on these people. There should be demands for removals of these morons who obviously lack a good sense of judgement.

We need to start setting examples here and be gravely serious that parents don't take corruptions of their minors lightly.

Edited September 29, 2012 by betsy

[Melanie_]

The beginning of a discussion about this

A thread on this topic

You might be interested in the discussion happening in another part of the forum, Betsy.

[Guest Manny]

It is a double standard. So is the power imbalance between white straight people and everyone else.

Well that's how life works, in general. If we left things up to the dopers and queers, human race would be extinguish.

[Michael Hardner]

Toronto District School Board had a list ...

Betsy - that's not what happened read the thread and inform yourself.

[socialist]

Schools have slowly been going to Hell in a handbasket for a least 50 years anyway. It would appear that no one and nothing will stop the slide.

As I have posted before, I worked hard with my own kids and fortunately it worked out well. They get great marks and "Render unto Caesar". They don't waste their time tilting at windmills.

Meanwhile, they are incredibly well self-taught with many things that interested them, at a level far beyond what was available to them at school.

I don't see anything else a responsible parent can do, given the state of the "system" today.

Your kids benefitted from the public school system. Don't kid yourself.

[Mr.Canada]

Your kids benefitted from the public school system. Don't kid yourself.

Socialist, you're very young I don't think you have the life experience to saying the things you're saying with all due respect. I graduated in 1992 probably before you were born.

[socialist]

Socialist, you're very young I don't think you have the life experience to saying the things you're saying with all due respect. I graduated in 1992 probably before you were born.

My post was for wild bill. he is making things up by sounds of it. Congrats on your high school diploma though.

[Mr.Canada]

My post was for wild bill. he is making things up by sounds of it. Congrats on your high school diploma though.

No need to patronize me. I am making the point that I have a lot more life experience then you do.

[Black Dog]

Black Dog all schools used to be segregated and the socialists fought against them to make them non segregated. Now that they are they want to segregate them again...lol.

Edit- or is it that they wanted the white students to be non segregated? Because we all know when it's all white racism happens but never happens with other races, cultures.

You should learn a little bit about the context and rationale and see what the difference is between white people excluding others and those others wanting their own spaces.

[cybercoma]

I wish the left stopped trying to divide people. Segregated schools is a very bad idea. Besides, we already have gay centric schools. They're called universities.

Maybe if the Right would stop driving gay teens to suicide, they wouldn't need a safe space to learn and grow up.

[August1991]

The blacks and the queers were the ones who always screamed the loudest for equality, equal treatment and now, as I've said before, want and are getting special treatment. Nothing equal going on here at all.

In Canada, we have many private schools that only accept students if their parents can afford to pay the high tuition fees.

Do you think that kind of discrimination is any different from a school based on sexual orientation or skin colour?

[Bonam]

Do you think that kind of discrimination is any different from a school based on sexual orientation or skin colour?

Paying for a service is not discrimination.

[August1991]

Paying for a service is not discrimination.

It's not? When a seller refuses a client, is that not discrimination?

[bleeding heart]

If a (black) woman refuses to sleep with a (white) man, should the State intervene?

????

It doesn't intervene.

And no one has suggested that it should.

You're arguing with phantoms in your imagination.

[Black Dog]

It's not? When a seller refuses a client, is that not discrimination?

If the client can't afford the service it's not.

[Wild Bill]

It's not? When a seller refuses a client, is that not discrimination?

Not always, August! A smart businessman sometimes does things a different way.

Consider my position. I make my living repairing and building guitar amplifiers. As you might imagine, musicians can be a pretty exotic customer base.

Almost all of them have been the best customers a guy like me could ever want but of course, once in a blue moon I get a bad one.

It only seems to happen maybe once a year. A guy will knock on my door and start making demands before he even gets inside. He needs me to repair his amplifier but he thinks he knows what's wrong and most important, how much I should charge him!

He will demand that I put his repair to the head of the line and ignore those others who have been patiently waiting.

When you think about it, why on earth would I want to make a customer like that happy? When you deduct all the aggravation, I'm not going to make any money. Worse yet, meeting his demands would be a disservice to my other customers.

This is how I handle such patrons. In my town there is perhaps the country's WORST guitar amp tech! This fellow will take weeks if not months and then likely give your amplifier back to you in worse shape than when you first gave it to him! I wouldn't trust the fellow to put a new plug on a lamp!

I have some of his business cards. If I get the sense that a customer is going to be that much trouble I simply say "Gee, I'm so sorry but I really am swamped with emergency work that it might be weeks before I can get to your amp. However, why don't you take this guy's card? I hear he's really good and I'm sure he can fix it quickly for you!"

I've gotten rid of him with a minimum amount of fuss. He is no longer my problem. Even better, he's a problem for my competitor, who will give the type of poor service that sort of customer deserves!

Two birds with one stone!

Meanwhile, I devote my time to my regular customers, who I value highly and who appreciate my service in return. I have customers from the first day I opened my doors and I will NOT inconvenience them for a demanding jerk!.

I've been doing this for about 6 or 7 years now and I must confess, it has been a lot of fun! It has not hurt my reputation in the slightest! In fact, if anything it has enhanced it. Any musicians that hear about such an incident don't hold it against me. It is a small enough market that they probably know such a problem customer or someone like them and find it humorous that such a negative sort got what he deserved! They also know that I won't give them less service to satisfy someone who doesn't deserve it.

I am in a niche market with very few competitors so perhaps I am lucky I can do this but even years ago when I sold parts to large manufacturers I would sometimes do something similar. There are large accounts that treat suppliers very poorly, expecting them all to leap for a carrot they will never give. Sometimes certain parts would become very scarce and difficult to find. If I had some I always saved them for my regular clientelle. I could get a stupendous markup selling to those larger but mean accounts but they would never give me any other business! Meanwhile, a regular and loyal customer would greatly appreciate my selling scarce parts to him. Often it kept him in business! We would do business together for years, having a mutually positive relationship.

So refusing a client is not always discrimination August, at least to me.

Sometimes its retributive justice!

[August1991]

????

It doesn't intervene.

And no one has suggested that it should.

You're arguing with phantoms in your imagination.

Not at all. The question is whether the State should intervene in transactions between private individuals.

For example, if a private school decides to accept only pupils who can afford to pay its tuition fee or to accept, say, only pupils who can pass an entry examination or to accept, say, only pupils who are gay, should the State intervene and claim that such discrimination is not allowed?

If a woman advertises on the Internet, seeking a mate, and states clearly that she is only interested in meeting a black man, should the State intervene?

If the client can't afford the service it's not.

Look up the word discrimination. (Hint: the root is "discriminate".) Edited October 2, 2012 by August1991