Muslims in Toronto demand end to freedom of speech and expression.

[guyser]

Yeah, the "are you now or have you ever" bit isn't likely to garner a lot of salient information either way.

Ya know, I dont have any idea why kraychik doesnt just come out and say what we all know...Just let whites in and to hell w the rest.

(of course he has no understanding that comfortably successful white people dont normally emigrate)

[kraychik]

A simpleton would realize that should one present themselves to immigration as a Nazi, Islamist or swatikas tatooed on their forehead they would not be granted permission to reside in Canada.

Except, that isn't true.

And if it was true (it isn't), g_bambino would see it as an infringement on freedom of speech and expression. Which again demonstrates how the left not only has contempt for freedom of speech and expression, but often doesn't even understand the concept.

[bleeding heart]

Ya know, I dont have any idea why kraychik doesnt just come out and say what we all know...Just let whites in and to hell w the rest.

(of course he has no understanding that comfortably successful white people dont normally emigrate)

No doubt he would have been throwing stones at the arriving Irish immigrants in NY in 1860 along with the rest of the (white) "natives."

The Irish are dirty, uncivilized and...wait for it!...too religious and warlike, dontcha know.

Edited September 26, 2012 by bleeding heart

[GostHacked]

Untill these so called moderate muslims start standing up to these people I will never trust any of them, matter of fact I don't trust any one that puts god or allah ahead of everything else. A quiet muslim is as dangerous as a extremist one.

It's kind of like how we don't stand up to our own government when they do things wrong, we simply sit by and say 'whaddaya gonna do bout it' ..... conditioned helplessness.

[guyser]

Except, that isn't true.

Well, you are after all less than a simpleton so of course you would think (wrongly of course) that way.

Minister Kenney, while true I do have 2 swastikas on my forehead, and its true I am an Islamist dead set on world dominination....oh and yes Hitler was right and didnt kill enough and was generally misunderstood, believe me when I say I would make a good Canuck.

Well, ok come on in.

So ludicrous (but to you believable) it makes you look particularly stupid . No doubt about it.

And if it was true (it isn't), g_bambino

We've seen bambino school you. Id be red faced too.

Seriously, you are a bad troll, you go against all experts on virtually anything.

You are not near smart enough to do so. But keep the comedy flowing. We all like to laugh.

Edited September 26, 2012 by guyser

[bleeding heart]

Seriously, you are a bad troll, you go against all experts on virtually anything.

Seriously. If you're going to be a troll, at least put some intelligence and dignity into it. Bush_Cheney2004, for example, was very talented at the process.

[g_bambino]

Translation: You don't understand what freedom of speech and expression actually entails.

Oh, but I do; both according to you and some of those protesters and according to everyone else.

Denying someone entry into the country specifically so they cannot express themselves is a limitation on free speech.

Of course, such limitations already exist; note the denial of entry into the country for George Galloway and Sheikh Riyadh ul-Haq. However, that isn't enough for you. You want every single applicant for entry, sorry, every single "multicultural" (read: non-European and non-Judeo-Christian) applicant for entry to be scrutinised not just to see if they'd already uttered illegal statements - like support for terrorists or threatening remarks against anyone or any group - but to determine, by some kind of as of yet unspecified force so that nobody can lie, what beliefs these individuals hold and whether or not those are "culturally acceptable" before the applicant is allowed by Her Majesty's border guards to come in and possibly speak his or her mind. That is both a thought police type restriction on freedom of conscience and a preemptive, xenophoblically discriminatory, additional limit on freedom of expression based on subjective criteria like values.

[ed.: +, c/e]

Edited September 26, 2012 by g_bambino

[bleeding heart]

Of course, such limitations already exist; note the denial of entry into the country for George Galloway and Sheikh Riyadh ul-Haq. However, that isn't enough for you. You want every single applicant for entry, sorry, every single "multicultural" (read: non-European and non-Judeo-Christian) applicant for entry to be scrutinised not just to see if they'd already uttered illegal statements - like support for terrorists or threatening remarks against anyone or any group - but to determine, by some kind of as of yet unspecified force so that nobody can lie, what beliefs these individuals hold and whether or not those are "culturally acceptable" before the applicant is allowed by Her Majesty's border guards to come in and possibly speak his or her mind. That is both a thought police type restriction on freedom of conscience and a preemptive, xenophoblically discriminatory, additional limit on freedom of expression based on subjective criteria like values.

[ed.: +, c/e]

Fortunately it's impossible. But it does display the way he thinks, so it's educational.

[kraychik]

Well, you are after all less than a simpleton so of course you would think (wrongly of course) that way.

Minister Kenney, while true I do have 2 swastikas on my forehead, and its true I am an Islamist dead set on world dominination....oh and yes Hitler was right and didnt kill enough and was generally misunderstood, believe me when I say I would make a good Canuck.

The video in the opening post is more than enough evidence that we are importing Islamists. You can bury your head in the sand all you want.

[kraychik]

Oh, but I do; both according to you and some of those protesters and according to everyone else.

Denying someone entry into the country specifically so they cannot express themselves is a limitation on free speech.

No, it isn't.

Of course, such limitations already exist; note the denial of entry into the country for George Galloway and Sheikh Riyadh ul-Haq. However, that isn't enough for you. You want every single applicant for entry, sorry, every single "multicultural" (read: non-European and non-Judeo-Christian) applicant for entry to be scrutinised not just to see if they'd already uttered illegal statements - like support for terrorists or threatening remarks against anyone or any group - but to determine, by some kind of as of yet unspecified force so that nobody can lie, what beliefs these individuals hold and whether or not those are "culturally acceptable" before the applicant is allowed by Her Majesty's border guards to come in and possibly speak his or her mind. That is both a thought police type restriction on freedom of conscience and a preemptive, xenophoblically discriminatory, additional limit on freedom of expression based on subjective criteria like values.

[ed.: +, c/e]

What's necessary is for more criteria to be used to screen for applicants/candidates based on values. You oppose that, because it seems too difficult, so you're comfortable with Canada destroying itself via immigration and "multiculturalism" policies. Your position is clear, no need to reiterate it.

[g_bambino]

No, it isn't.

It is as it pertains to Canadian jurisdiction.

What's necessary is for more criteria to be used to screen for applicants/candidates based on values.

See my previous post.

[ed.: c/e]

Edited September 26, 2012 by g_bambino

[guyser]

The video in the opening post is more than enough evidence that we are importing Islamists. You can bury your head in the sand all you want.

Hang on, I am trying to catch up to your goal posts.....pant pant.....

But thank you for agreeing that your premise was stupid and farcical.

[guyser]

Fortunately it's impossible. But it does display the way he thinks, so it's educational.

The old phrase " a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" has been apparent on every post he makes. I dont see how someone can keep posting as others laugh at his thoughts.

[Mr.Canada]

I thank God for giving PM Harper the wisdom to give greater powers to the Immigration minister to decide who stays and who goes. Sometimes we need a greater power to overrule the lower levels. This is all in the name of the safety of our citizens. I don't think that Canadians should be victimized by non Canadians in the name of political correctness.

The NDp would let everyone in without screening at all. This is a dangerous policy. I'm not even sure that the NDP even likes Canada never mind love this country. I see the Tories as being very patriotic and proud Canadians while the NDP would rather Canada be an open door where they let anyone in unchecked. No thank you.

[CANADIEN]

Where have I called for a restriction on free speech? Answer: Nowhere. I much prefer people express themselves openly so that we know exactly where they're coming from.

Indeed, you don't want restrictions on free speech. Only on who can exercise it. Thanks for the clarification.

Edited September 27, 2012 by CANADIEN

[The_Squid]

The NDp would let everyone in without screening at all.

Any evidence for this grandiose claim?

[PIK]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/Column+only+Canada+liberal+party/7304311/story.html

Great article that everyone should read and then hopefully wake up.

Edited September 27, 2012 by PIK

[kraychik]

More acquiescence from the left to demands from Islamists to destroy freedom of speech and expression. In France, the socialist government tried to pressure a private newspaper not to publish cartoons depicting Muhamad. The French government subsequently shut down embassies and consulates in many Muslim majority countries out of fear of terrorism.

FRENCH MAGAZINE EDITOR UNDER ARMED GUARD AFTER PUBLISHING MOHAMMED CARTOON

Here are more calls for destruction of the first amendment from the usual suspects in Dearborn, Michigan, demanding a criminalisation of "defamation of religion", and we all know what that really means.

ISLAMIC LEADERS IN DEARBORN MICH. PLAN RALLY TO SUPPORT SPEECH PROHIBITION

The Obama administration is sympathetic to the same efforts being pushed via the UN, coming from the OiC. As per usual, this story was buried by the mainstream media in America just as the Muslim protest in the original post in Toronto was ignored by the majority of Canadian media outlets. Out of sight, out of mind.

Religious Tolerance Resolution Backed by Obama Administration Aligns With Islamic Bloc’s Interests

Edited September 27, 2012 by kraychik

[guyser]

As per usual, this story was buried by the mainstream media in America just as the Muslim protest in the original post in Toronto was ignored by the majority of Canadian media outlets. Out of sight, out of mind.

That was proven false, but of course you will keep on with the lie.

Fish flopping around is such an apt description.

Edited September 27, 2012 by guyser

[The_Squid]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/Column+only+Canada+liberal+party/7304311/story.html

Great article that everyone should read and then hopefully wake up.

Blame Liberals.... that is the editorials premise....

The author needs to be reminded that Harper's Conservatives have been in power for a decade.

[Smallc]

Conservatives have been in power for a decade.

[The_Squid]

Apologies... 7 years... the point still stands...

[PIK]

Blame Liberals.... that is the editorials premise....

The author needs to be reminded that Harper's Conservatives have been in power for a decade.

And it takes time to change ,which is going on now. And the harper govermnet is the 1st to have the balls to do it. And your remark about how long they have been in power, his minority could do nothing, especially fighting off elections every few months. But now with his majority for the next 7 years, thing are going to change even more.

[jacee]

California man behind anti-Muslim film arrested on probation violation

U.S. Central District Chief Magistrate Judge Suzanne Segal said Nakoula Basseley Nakoula should be held after officials said he violated his probation term for a 2010 check fraud conviction.

A federal prosecutor said Nakoula had eight probation violations, including lying to his probation officers and using aliases.

After his 2010 conviction, Nakoula was sentenced to 21 months in prison and was barred from using computers or the Internet for five years without approval from his probation officer.

...

The trailer still can be found on YouTube. The Obama administration asked Google, YouTube's parent, to take down the video. But the company has refused, saying it did not violate its content standards.

Meanwhile, a number of actors and workers on the film have come forward to say they were tricked. They say they were hired for a film titled "Desert Warrior" and there was no mention of Islam or Muhammad in the script. Those references were dubbed in after filming was completed.

Actress Cindy Lee Garcia has sued to get the trailer taken down, saying she was duped

So ... he is a criminal barred from the net, who deceived actors ... It will be interesting to see whether they can exercise any legal control over how their work is used, and whether the film will be taken off the net.

Edited September 28, 2012 by jacee

[Mr.Canada]

So we all have to tip toe around the Muslims for fear they might get angry? People make fun of Christianity all the time yet no gets killed because of it.