Paul Ryan -Republican candidate for VP

[cybercoma]

In other news about Ryan, he co-sponsored a bill that would change the definition of rape.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/19/1121715/-Maureen-Dowd-destroys-Paul-Ryan

[Bitsy]

In other news about Ryan, he co-sponsored a bill that would change the definition of rape.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/19/1121715/-Maureen-Dowd-destroys-Paul-Ryan

This is the company Ryan keeps and one of the co-sponsor of the bill.....

The company that Ryan keeps..........

Two words that should never be used together in the same sentence: legitimate and rape. But that’s the way Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) chose to speak about the sensitive topic that has impacted millions of women in the United States in an interview with a local television station Sunday.

In defending his extreme anti-choice position – that a woman who is raped and becomes pregnant should not be permitted to have an abortion, Akin said, “First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

Akin, who clearly didn’t pay attention in biology class, is challenging Democratic incumbent Sen. Claire McCaskill. After the negative and swift public reaction to his remarks, Akin said in a statement that he “misspoke,” but that claim doesn’t fly when you do a quick review of his legislative history, which is directly connected vice presidential pick Rep. Paul Ryan on this exact issue.

Akin and Ryan were the original co-sponsors of the controversial bill H.R. 3, “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act,” which initially included language which changed the definition of “rape” to “forcible rape,” until public pressure forced the bill’s supporters to remove that unacceptable and narrow definition. As I wrote previously, Paul Ryan is not just anti-choice, his anti-choice views are extreme and just plain bad for all women.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/the_rumble/2012/08/todd-akin-paul-ryan-and-the-very-real-war-on-women

[Shady]

The company that Ryan keeps..........

Is that kinda like Rev. Wright, and Bill Ayers?

[Bitsy]

Is that kinda like Rev. Wright, and Bill Ayers?

Only in the mind of an ignorant man.

[Shady]

Only in the mind of an ignorant man.

I see. You don't like it when the same standard is applied equally.

[BubberMiley]

I see. You don't like it when the same standard is applied equally.

Are you saying this is a legitimate criticism or are you saying you were full of crap when you went on and on about Ayers and Reverend Wright?

I'm guessing you'll say nothing.

Not to mention the fact that co-sponsoring a bill is a little bit more persuasive evidence than the vague guilt-by-association claims that Obama was somehow connected to Ayers.

Edited August 20, 2012 by BubberMiley

[Shady]

Are you saying this is a legitimate criticism or are you saying you were full of crap when you went on and on about Ayers and Reverend Wright?

I'm guessing you'll say nothing.

Paul Ryan's worked with Republicans and Democrats during his time in office. One is no more important than another. To say that this is the company is completely disingenuous. But if we want to go down that road, there are a number of individuals the current president actually kept as company. One even married him and his wife!

[Black Dog]

Is that kinda like Rev. Wright, and Bill Ayers?

Either of those guys a prominent member of the Senate or Congress?

[Black Dog]

Paul Ryan's worked with Republicans and Democrats during his time in office. One is no more important than another. To say that this is the company is completely disingenuous.

He co-sponsored a bill with Akin that would re-define rape.

But if we want to go down that road, there are a number of individuals the current president actually kept as company. One even married him and his wife!

You live down that road.

[Bitsy]

I see. You don't like it when the same standard is applied equally.

Where is the standard equal, Shady. That makes no sense.

Whatever Wright or Ayres said that you find so offensive doe not compare to this man's ignornace about the trauma of rape, or if there is legitimate or illegitimate rape, or what mechanisms woman have to prevent pregnancy, or require a woman to carry the baby of a rapist for 9 months. Individually or collectively all are ignorant statments.

It was stunning that he said it but even more stunning that you see nothing wrong with it.

[waldo]

He co-sponsored a bill with Akin that would re-define rape.

yes, VP candidate Paul Ryan (with Akin) co-sponsored a bill (the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act"), in an attempt to narrow the definition of sexual assault to "forcible rape"... aimed to restrict rape victims access to abortion... which, ultimately, had designs on absolute restriction of any/all funds to Planned Parenthood. "Forcible rape as opposed to... the consensual kind! Oh my!

[BubberMiley]

Paul Ryan's worked with Republicans and Democrats during his time in office. One is no more important than another. One even married him and his wife!

You don't know what co-sponsoring a bill means, do you?

[Shady]

Where is the standard equal, Shady. That makes no sense.

Whatever Wright or Ayres said that you find so offensive doe not compare to this man's ignornace about the trauma of rape, or if there is legitimate or illegitimate rape, or what mechanisms woman have to prevent pregnancy, or require a woman to carry the baby of a rapist for 9 months. Individually or collectively all are ignorant statments.

It was stunning that he said it but even more stunning that you see nothing wrong with it.

Incorrect. I see a lot wrong with his statement. It's completely ignorant. He should drop out of his race immediately so that a sane person can fill his spot. But that has nothing to do with Paul Ryan.

[Shady]

You don't know what co-sponsoring a bill means, do you?

You mean like the Ryan/Wyden Medicare reform? Ron Wyden (D) from Oregon?

[waldo]

You mean like the Ryan/Wyden Medicare reform? Ron Wyden (D) from Oregon?

ya, ya... Romney was actively flogging this supposed association over the weekend. Per norm, little is factual as concerns Romney and Medicare:

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.):

Governor Romney is talking nonsense," Wyden said in an emailed statement Saturday night. "Bipartisanship requires that you not make up the facts. I did not ‘co-lead a piece of legislation.' I wrote a policy paper on options for Medicare."

Wyden noted he had spoken and voted against the Medicare provisions in the Ryan budget. "Governor Romney needs to learn you don't protect seniors by makings things up, and his comments sure won't help promote real bipartisanship,” he added.

[Shady]

ya, ya... Romney was actively flogging this supposed association over the weekend. Per norm, little is factual as concerns Romney and Medicare:

Which Medicare provisions? Is he now denying the Ryan/Wyden reform? Much of which is based on several policy makers of the Clinton administration, like Alice Rivlin.

Edited August 20, 2012 by Shady

[The_Squid]

Anyone else think that using your mother as a mascot to spread lies about medicare is rather tasteless?

[Shady]

Anyone else think that using your mother as a mascot to spread lies about medicare is rather tasteless?

I do. Luckily nobody's doing that.

[BubberMiley]

You mean like the Ryan/Wyden Medicare reform? Ron Wyden (D) from Oregon?

So you don't know what it means. Wyden didn't co-sponsor Ryan's bill. In fact, he voted against it. The bi-partisan support talking point has been invented to make Ryan seem less extreme than he is. Sorry you fell for it.

[Shady]

So you don't know what it means. Wyden didn't co-sponsor Ryan's bill. In fact, he voted against it. The bi-partisan support talking point has been invented to make Ryan seem less extreme than he is. Sorry you fell for it.

Perhaps you need to read "Why I'm working with Paul Ryan" by Ron Wyden. It's a great piece in the Huffington Post.

[punked]

Perhaps you need to read "Why I'm working with Paul Ryan" by Ron Wyden. It's a great piece in the Huffington Post.

Perhaps you should read how Wyden feels about Wyden now and what he is saying.

[BubberMiley]

Perhaps you need to read "Why I'm working with Paul Ryan" by Ron Wyden. It's a great piece in the Huffington Post.

Perhaps you need to read "Ron Wyden Distances Himself From Paul Ryan, Says Mitt Romney Is 'Talking Nonsense'." It's a great piece in the Huffington Post. You'll even learn about what co-sponsoring a bill is, and how there never was a bill co-sponsored by Ryan and Wyden.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/12/ron-wyden-paul-ryan_n_1770611.html

[punked]

Perhaps you need to read "Ron Wyden Distances Himself From Paul Ryan, Says Mitt Romney Is 'Talking Nonsense'." It's a great piece in the Huffington Post. You'll even learn about what co-sponsoring a bill is, and how there never was a bill co-sponsored by Ryan and Wyden.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/12/ron-wyden-paul-ryan_n_1770611.html

It wasn't even a bill, it wasn't law. It was a Dem writing a policy paper on one of many many ideas he has for Medicare and the Republicans like Shady lying about through their teeth because it is all they have. Although Ryan has co sponsored maybe bills that limit abortion with that guy who thinks women can't get pregnant during rape. I wonder if Ryan shares that guys views on rape?? ? Shady?

[Shady]

Perhaps you should read how Wyden feels about Wyden now and what he is saying.

Gee, you mean in an election year when the president of his party is trying to paint Ryan in a negative way, that he's backing away from his prior actions and statements? I'm shocked!

[Bitsy]

Anyone else think that using your mother as a mascot to spread lies about medicare is rather tasteless?

Me.