Wisconsin Shikh temple shooting

[WWWTT]

Here we go again,another mass shooting in the US.

This time at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

Now I am starting this thread early into the investigation and there are still more details coming to light.

Already there are conflicting reports of multiple gunmen like the Batman shooting.The FBI are now calling this domestic terrorism.

Personally I believe there is too much hate and guns in the US!

Any thoughts?

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[Guest Derek L]

Here we go again,another mass shooting in the US.

This time at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

Now I am starting this thread early into the investigation and there are still more details coming to light.

Already there are conflicting reports of multiple gunmen like the Batman shooting.The FBI are now calling this domestic terrorism.

Personally I believe there is too much hate and guns in the US!

Any thoughts?

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I move we ban hate and violence…….Especially hateful violence.

[eyeball]

Personally I believe there is too much hate and guns in the US!

Any thoughts?

There just isn't enough political will to control guns or make them safer is all. It's not that complicated.

[Guest Derek L]

There just isn't enough political will to control guns or make them safer is all. It's not that complicated.

Why not control hate and violence?

[Guest American Woman]

Here we go again,another mass shooting in the US.

This time at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

Now I am starting this thread early into the investigation and there are still more details coming to light.

Already there are conflicting reports of multiple gunmen like the Batman shooting.The FBI are now calling this domestic terrorism.

Personally I believe there is too much hate and guns in the US!

Any thoughts?

I believe there should be less hate and guns and more love and hockey in the US.

[kimmy]

Personally I believe there is too much hate and guns in the US!

Any thoughts?

Considering the troubles we've had at Sikh temples in Canada, I wouldn't be so quick to call this a US issue. If I recall, the weapons of choice at Canadian dust-ups have been table-legs and cricket-bats and machetes and hammers, so I wouldn't be so quick to file it under gun trouble either.

-k

[Guest Derek L]

I believe there should be less hate and guns and more love and hockey in the US.

I forget if it was the late Jack Layton or Yoda, but one wise man once said :

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world.

I just hope we can ban all forms of violence one day, be it committed with guns, knives, baseball bats, ice picks, fists, wet towels, dodge balls, scary dogs, ammonium nitrate, arrows, frying pans, the Atom, and sticks & stones…….

Edited August 6, 2012 by Derek L

[Guest American Woman]

I forget if it was the late Jack Layton or Yoda, but one wise man once said :

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world.

Yoda, eh?

But yeah, how profound. All we need is for everyone to be full of love, hope, and optimism. Too bad no one ever thought of that before. The world would be so much different.

I just hope we can ban all forms of violence one day, be it committed with guns, knives, baseball bats, ice picks, fists, wet towels, dodge balls, scary dogs, ammonium nitrate, arrows, frying pans, the Atom, and sticks & stones…….

I lovingly, hopefully, and optimistically think that one day we will ban all of those things.

Edited August 6, 2012 by American Woman

[kimmy]

Considering the troubles we've had at Sikh temples in Canada, I wouldn't be so quick to call this a US issue. If I recall, the weapons of choice at Canadian dust-ups have been table-legs and cricket-bats and machetes and hammers, so I wouldn't be so quick to file it under gun trouble either.

Well, my mistake. Mea culpa. Based on history, my immediate assumption was that the perpetrator was most likely another Sikh. However, from what I am reading, it appears that the perpetrator was a white guy with anti-immigrant views.

-k

[Signals.Cpl]

Guns don't kill people, crazy people, idiots and crazy idiots with guns kill people. Gun control means nothing since it would just force the people wanting to commit violent acts to dig deeper and find another way. Look at the multiple mass stabbing incidents in China, gun control sure works well for those people, they died by a knife rather than a gun.

[The_Squid]

Well, my mistake. Mea culpa. Based on history, my immediate assumption was that the perpetrator was most likely another Sikh. However, from what I am reading, it appears that the perpetrator was a white guy with anti-immigrant views.

-k

So if it was Sikhs then it wasn't an American issue, but a Sikh issue. If it turns out that the white fella is Christian, then is it an American problem or a Christian problem?

In my opinion, the gun violence is an American problem, regardless of who is shooting whom. The access and lack of regulation in the USA is killing people

[Guest Derek L]

So if it was Sikhs then it wasn't an American issue, but a Sikh issue. If it turns out that the white fella is Christian, then is it an American problem or a Christian problem?

In my opinion, the gun violence is an American problem, regardless of who is shooting whom. The access and lack of regulation in the USA is killing people

Over 250 million private, legal, guns in the United States didn't kill anybody tonight.

[The_Squid]

Over 250 million private, legal, guns in the United States didn't kill anybody tonight.

Really?

http://www.khou.com/news/local/1-dead-1-injured-in-accidental-home-shooting-165003976.html

[Guest Derek L]

Really?

http://www.khou.com/news/local/1-dead-1-injured-in-accidental-home-shooting-165003976.html

Yup......Care to demonstrate the percentage of legal, private firearms that killed people today? There's an estimated 250-260 million within the United States......

Edited August 6, 2012 by Derek L

[The_Squid]

Yup......Care to demonstrate the percentage of legal, private firearms that killed people today? There's an estimated 250-260 million within the United States......

Lol

Now you change the goalposts! What a shocker!

[Guest Derek L]

Lol

Now you change the goalposts! What a shocker!

I haven’t changed my point at all:

Over 250 million private, legal, guns in the United States didn't kill anybody tonight.

Are you suggesting that there have been 250 million gun deaths today in the States? 100 million? 50 million? 1 million? 500 000? 100 000? 10000? 5000? 1000? 500? 100? 50?

How many of the over 250 million legal guns killed someone on Sunday?

[waldo]

Are you suggesting that there have been 250 million gun deaths today in the States? 100 million? 50 million? 1 million? 500 000? 100 000? 10000? 5000? 1000? 500? 100? 50?

How many of the over 250 million legal guns killed someone on Sunday?

are you suggesting that there have been 250 million gun deaths prevented today in the States? 100 million? 50 million? 1 million? 500 000? 100 000? 10000? 5000? 1000? 500? 100? 50?

how many of the over 250 million legal guns prevented someone from dying on Sunday?

[Guest Derek L]

are you suggesting that there have been 250 million gun deaths prevented today in the States? 100 million? 50 million? 1 million? 500 000? 100 000? 10000? 5000? 1000? 500? 100? 50?

how many of the over 250 million legal guns prevented someone from dying on Sunday?

No, I never suggested that.

[waldo]

No, I never suggested that.

and neither did the MLW member you threw your ridiculous reply back at, hey? As was pointed out for you, your absolute that, 'legal guns didn't kill anybody tonight', was quite easily dispatched... and then, yes, as is your way, you moved the goalposts. Like I said, you're a walking cliche!

[Guest Derek L]

are you suggesting that there have been 250 million gun deaths prevented today in the States? 100 million? 50 million? 1 million? 500 000? 100 000? 10000? 5000? 1000? 500? 100? 50?

how many of the over 250 million legal guns prevented someone from dying on Sunday?

Since this looks like another standard Waldo drive-by, I’ll bite

Per the GOA, Based on numerous studies and partially confirmed by former President Clinton’s Justice Department:

http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm

Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.5

But what about all these gun owners shooting up the place:

Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).6 And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."7

[Guest Derek L]

and neither did the MLW member you threw your ridiculous reply back at, hey? As was pointed out for you, your absolute that, 'legal guns didn't kill anybody tonight', was quite easily dispatched... and then, yes, as is your way, you moved the goalposts. Like I said, you're a walking cliche!

No, said member's retort was to point out another gun death.........With the 30-35k gun deaths a year in the United States (Of which, like us, ~80% are suicides) one could figure a daily average of somewhere between 75-100 deaths a day………Now what percentage are crimes committed against another by a legal gun owner?

You wanna crack?

[waldo]

Since this looks like another standard Waldo drive-by, I’ll bite

no - yours was the drive-by... the one that imploded on you... before you shifted goal posts.

No, said member's retort was to point out another gun death.........With the 30-35k gun deaths a year in the United States (Of which, like us, ~80% are suicides) one could figure a daily average of somewhere between 75-100 deaths a day………Now what percentage are crimes committed against another by a legal gun owner?

my only interest is watching your cliche moves play out... a mere 35,000 gun deaths a year! Freedom!!!

[Guest Derek L]

no - yours was the drive-by... the one that imploded on you... before you shifted goal posts.

my only interest is watching your cliche moves play out... a mere 35,000 gun deaths a year! Freedom!!!

Oh which, 80% are suicides………..Clearly the Theatre shooting or this one don’t offer the same pizazz as a day-to-day suicide or gang shooting…………..Slow news day I suppose……….

[waldo]

Oh which, 80% are suicides……….

Slow news day I suppose……….

while you're in another of your distraction modes, I realize accuracy is not your thing... that ~80% ratio you keep barking over associates to gun death suicides in the home. The overall suicide rate per U.S. gun deaths is between 50-55%. In any case, I acknowledge your ready reach to find some kind of distracting delineation in overall gun deaths... I expect you to shortly offer up an efficiency measure in touting the "success outcomes" that guns bring to suicide attempts.

[WWWTT]

Well, my mistake. Mea culpa. Based on history, my immediate assumption was that the perpetrator was most likely another Sikh. However, from what I am reading, it appears that the perpetrator was a white guy with anti-immigrant views.

-k

Ya this only happened yesterday and this story may change around some still.

I've got caught here sticking my foot in my mouth before more than once,it's the better person who always apologizes!

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