Congressman: American schools should be modeled after madrassas

cybercoma · July 13, 2012

Yes...all is well when Canadians continue to argue over yet another dead American president.

Dead Presidents make the world go 'round.

bush_cheney2004 · July 13, 2012

Dead Presidents make the world go 'round.

They sure do....not dead loonies.

DogOnPorch · July 13, 2012

They sure do....not dead loonies.

I thought they robbed banks then surfed.

guyser · July 13, 2012

I know that American conservatives use Regan's name a lot, but as Jeb Bush recently said, the current Republican Party would never have accepted him as any sort of candidate because his views ere to, er 'leftist'.

Yet they cry for the second coming.

kraychik · July 13, 2012

I know that American conservatives use Regan's name a lot, but as Jeb Bush recently said, the current Republican Party would never have accepted him as any sort of candidate because his views ere to, er 'leftist'.

Jeb Bush is like you, a fake conservative who is essentially a leftist to the core.

Here is Mark Levin ripping Jeb Bush apart for several of his recent statements that were too stupid not to ignore, this includes his recent absurd comment about Reagan's incompatibility with the Tea Party, when in fact the Tea Party and Reagan were compatible in the most profound ways.

Although this is long, Mark Levin tore apart Jeb Bush's revisionism of what Reagan represented in this episode. Bush's entire career is a function of political nepotism. Levin also address the fake conservatism of George Sr. and Jr.

Signals.Cpl · July 14, 2012

May I report these insults of yours, as well? I hope Charles Anthony isn't too upset with me sending him messages reporting bad behaviour from leftists on this forum. Perhaps what this forum needs is some suspensions of leftists, since it seems that the focus of banning has been on conservatives.

What the truth hurts? As you so nicely put it, It is not my problem if the truth distresses you.

BubberMiley · July 14, 2012

So all this thread amounts to is that kraychick and shady are about as extreme right wing as you get, and they make Nazis look leftist.

I already knew that. :lol:

kraychik · July 14, 2012

So all this thread amounts to is that kraychick and shady are about as extreme right wing as you get, and they make Nazis look leftist.

I already knew that.

Exactly, because believing in free markets and individual sovereignty is totally Nazi-like. The inconvenient truth is, however, that your ideological leanings are far more compatible with Nazism than mine. This is really a teachable moment.

BubberMiley · July 14, 2012

Exactly, because believing in free markets and individual sovereignty is totally Nazi-like.

I didn't say that. I agreed with your premise that you are more extremely right wing than Nazis. That is all.

bleeding heart · July 14, 2012

Jeb Bush is like you, a fake conservative who is essentially a leftist to the core.

Here is Mark Levin ripping Jeb Bush apart for several of his recent statements that were too stupid not to ignore, this includes his recent absurd comment about Reagan's incompatibility with the Tea Party, when in fact the Tea Party and Reagan were compatible in the most profound ways.

Although this is long, Mark Levin tore apart Jeb Bush's revisionism of what Reagan represented in this episode. Bush's entire career is a function of political nepotism. Levin also address the fake conservatism of George Sr. and Jr.

Lots 'o "name-dropping" here, as elsewhere, kraychik.

I'm assuming this is your method of conceding that you misspoke on the subject earlier.

Shakeyhands · July 14, 2012

Why? I welcome all points of view. It adds to the fun....or if you prefer....intellectual intercourse.

As long as no one trips your "America" alerting sensor...

Shady · July 14, 2012

So you're to the 'Right' of Hitler? That would explain alot.

Huh?

Shady · July 14, 2012

So all this thread amounts to is that kraychick and shady are about as extreme right wing as you get, and they make Nazis look leftist.

I already knew that.

It's not extreme to point out the highly socialist political platform of the National Socialist Workers Party. It's just good history and fact. Facts can be stubborn things sometimes, and ruin a very good meme.

DogOnPorch · July 14, 2012

Fords and Chevys are both cars.

cybercoma · July 14, 2012

It's not extreme to point out the highly socialist political platform of the National Socialist Workers Party. It's just good history and fact. Facts can be stubborn things sometimes, and ruin a very good meme.

If the Nazis are leftwing then everything we know about politics is meaningless. I can't believe people are still forwarding this nonsense just because the party had "Socialist" in its name. Everything the Nazi Party was as far rightwing in practice as you could possibly be.

Argus · July 14, 2012

Jeb Bush is like you, a fake conservative who is essentially a leftist to the core.

I'm curious, kraychik, what do you imagine conservatism is? Can you describe the basic philosophy in a paragraph or two or do you need to go to Wiki to find something to cut and paste?

Here is Mark Levin ripping Jeb Bush apart for several of his recent statements that were too stupid not to ignore, this includes his recent absurd comment about Reagan's incompatibility with the Tea Party, when in fact the Tea Party and Reagan were compatible in the most profound ways.

The Tea Party would rather see all life on earth end than have taxes increased. That alone is reason enough for them to have run Reagan out of town on a rail.

Argus · July 14, 2012

Exactly, because believing in free markets and individual sovereignty is totally Nazi-like.

What you fail to recognize is that there is no such thing as a completely free market, and that life under a completely Capitalist system would be likely worse than under Communism or Fascism.

Argus · July 14, 2012

As long as no one trips your "America" alerting sensor...

I only ever had 3 people on my ignore list: One American troll(guess who), one Russian kook (You probably know that one as well) and one ardent Chinese nationalist.

kraychik · July 14, 2012

What you fail to recognize is that there is no such thing as a completely free market, and that life under a completely Capitalist system would be likely worse than under Communism or Fascism.

This is a a strawman argument and false choice. You're dishonestly asserting that there are two options: your way or anarchy. You are also dishonestly attributing an anarchist position to me, which is fine, I expect this sort of dishonesty from leftists. There is a huge range between a much more free market than we currently have an pure anarchy. Your (false) argument about the loss of certain jobs as a result of increased efficiency can be made against everything that improves our lives. Personal computers displaced typewriters, accounting software displacing bookkeepers and accountants, or ATMs replacing bank tellers. It is a pathetic argument, and unfortunately seems to be more and more common as economic illiteracy continues to grow due to the public education system. We're not talking about complicated things here, and we can see quite a few people in this very thread don't grasp these elementary concepts. It's depressing.

For the record, I recognised that there is no pure free market many, many, many moons ago. I knew this before high school.

kraychik · July 14, 2012

I'm curious, kraychik, what do you imagine conservatism is? Can you describe the basic philosophy in a paragraph or two or do you need to go to Wiki to find something to cut and paste?

I don't have the time or patience to articulate it at the moment, but rest assured, you are not a conservative.

The Tea Party would rather see all life on earth end than have taxes increased. That alone is reason enough for them to have run Reagan out of town on a rail.

You don't know the first thing about the Tea Party, that much is clear after you described them as Christian "extremists" and basically echoed the absurd narrative from Michael Hardner equating them to the Muslim Brotherhood. Don't let that stop you from pretending to know what the Tea Party stands for, however, while quoting fake conservative establishment-Republicans like Jeb Bush who make idiotic comments about Reagan.

kraychik · July 14, 2012

If the Nazis are leftwing then everything we know about politics is meaningless. I can't believe people are still forwarding this nonsense just because the party had "Socialist" in its name. Everything the Nazi Party was as far rightwing in practice as you could possibly be.

It's about statism, and the contemporary left (a group of whom you are card-carrying member) is far more aligned with statism than today's conservatives. The bottom line is that the Nazi platform has fare more in common with your ideology, and virtually nothing in common with our ideology. The narrative of the Nazis being on the "far-right" serves the interests of statist leftists like you in order to fool people into thinking that there is a counterweight on our side of the ideological spectrum to communism. I've explained this over and over again. We are the immune system of society preventing tyranny, whereas you represent the vulnerable parts of the organism, if not the disease or virus itself in some circumstances.

kraychik · July 14, 2012

I didn't say that. I agreed with your premise that you are more extremely right wing than Nazis. That is all.

Considering Nazism is a far-leftist ideology, of course I am to the right of it.

bleeding heart · July 14, 2012

It's not extreme to point out the highly socialist political platform of the National Socialist Workers Party. It's just good history and fact. Facts can be stubborn things sometimes, and ruin a very good meme.

You're not kidding.

But since you and kraychik actually refuse to even read what anyone says, I'll indulge you by saying it again:

Fascism in general and Nazism in particular utilized aspects from different points on the spectrum...right, centre and left.

But it's primarily a right-wing phenomenon.

Now, personally, I don't feel this reflects even slightly on the good name of conservatism; it's you and kraychik (cribbing heavily from Jonah Goldberg, though neither of you even knows from where your "memes" are derived) who are arguing "liberal fascism" for the sole purpose of trying (failing) to discredit "the left" through vile associations.

You understand? We're not saying "Nazism is right wing" to discredit the political right; we're adhering to many decades of knowledge. You guys are revising on the fly, and for the sole purpose of saying "conservatives good; liberals bad."

Well, whatever suits you; but I'm trying to help stave off your embarassment of spouting ahistorical foolishness, and pointing out that you're close to 180 degrees off-base.

And you're very welcome; I'm glad to help out in whatever small way I can.

Edited July 15, 2012 by bleeding heart

bleeding heart · July 14, 2012

I've explained this over and over again. We are the immune system of society preventing tyranny, whereas you represent the vulnerable parts of the organism, if not the disease or virus itself in some circumstances.

This sort of metaphorical overreach explains why you adhere to a "my-way-or-the-road-to-hell" totalitarian approach to debate.