Fletch 27 Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) The benefits, wages and Union enforcement is killing Jobs in Canada. The Unions are decimating manufacturing in Canada..GM is re-tooling for the 4 door sedan in Alabama (our car) and is shutting down manufacture in ontario. Is it time the Government takes Wisconsin's position to save these Union jobs? Is it time to back away from Auto subsidies? Let them sink or swim? Should Canada reduce the tax rate for the Auto companies to save them? Similar to "bailing" out the US banks? The Feds bailed them out one time already... Should we inject cash into this money losing venture? Please... Discuss! Ooo yea... The link: http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/news/transportation/blog.html?b=business.financialpost.com/2012/06/12/canada-now-the-most-expensive-place-to-build-a-car-in-the-world-says-gm-chief Edited June 14, 2012 by Fletch 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 This has nothing to do with unions. Do you think there's no unions in the US? On American radio, I've heard some mayors say they are starting a campaign to buy local first, then state, then national, before going out of country, in other words, buy USA and keep the jobs here. The US has over 8 million unemployed and growing and the states have to start to help themselves to get he get back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 List of DEFUNCT Canadian car makes... Canada Acadian (1961–1971) Acme (1910–1911) Amherst (1912) Asüna (1992–1995) Barrie (1919–1920) Bell (1917–1918) Bourassa (1926) Bricklin (1974–1975) Brintnell (1912) Brock (1921) Brockville (1911–1915) Brooks (1923–1926) Canadian (1921) Canadian Motor (1900–1902) Case (1907–1909) Chatham (1907–1908) Clinton (1911–1912) Colonial (1922) Comet (1907–1909) Crow (1915–1918) Danduran & Jennings (1895) Dart (1914) Davis (1924) Detroit-Chatham (1911–1912) Diamond Arrow (1909–1912) Dominion (1911) Dominion (1914) Duplex (1907–1909) Enterra (1987) Fisher (1914–1915) Forster (1920–1922) Frontenac (1931–1933) Frontenac (1959–1960) Galt (1911–1912) Galt (1913–1915) Gareau (1910) Gray-Dort (1915–1925) Guy (1911) Harding (1911–1912) Jules 30 (1911–1912) Kennedy (1909–1912) Leroy (1899–1907) Lethbridge (1908–1909) Locus London Six (1922–1924) Manic GT (1969–1971) Marathon (1976–1981) McKay (1911–1914) McLaughlin (1908–1922) McLaughlin Buick (1923–1942) Menard (1908–1910) Meteor (1949–1976) Monarch (1946–1961) Moose Jaw Standard (1916–1918) National Oxford (1913–1915) Palm (1918–1919) Peck (1913) Publix (1947–1948) Queen (1901–1903) Regal (1914–1917) Roberts Six (1921) Royal Six (1921) Russell (1905–1916) Russell-Knight (1910–1915) Sager (1910) Sellew-Royce (1911) Still (1899–1903) Studebaker (1963–1966) Timmis (1968–present) Tudhope (1906–1913) Tudpole Two-in-One Winnipeg (1921) Wright (1929) ZENN (2006–2010) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Really huh... Compare the wages..... And again, its not a US thing.. Its a GLOBAL thing.. Yes, its the unions the article says... This has nothing to do with unions. Do you think there's no unions in the US? On American radio, I've heard some mayors say they are starting a campaign to buy local first, then state, then national, before going out of country, in other words, buy USA and keep the jobs here. The US has over 8 million unemployed and growing and the states have to start to help themselves to get he get back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) Add : GM Chrysler Ford.. All departing in 2 years.... Shame on the job killing Unions.. The Tories are trying everything to keep jobs here.. TAX BrEAKS! I say STOP the tax breaks now and let the unions eat it in pay-cuts. Apparently, to the left, tax cuts don't help.. So let's stop them! We should ALL be in agreement for that, NO? Orrrr would the Unions now favor MORE tax breaks for the Car companies? Interested in the unionists thoughts on that. List of DEFUNCT Canadian car makes... Canada Acadian (1961–1971) Acme (1910–1911) Amherst (1912) Asüna (1992–1995) Barrie (1919–1920) Bell (1917–1918) Bourassa (1926) Bricklin (1974–1975) Brintnell (1912) Brock (1921) Brockville (1911–1915) Brooks (1923–1926) Canadian (1921) Canadian Motor (1900–1902) Case (1907–1909) Chatham (1907–1908) Clinton (1911–1912) Colonial (1922) Comet (1907–1909) Crow (1915–1918) Danduran & Jennings (1895) Dart (1914) Davis (1924) Detroit-Chatham (1911–1912) Diamond Arrow (1909–1912) Dominion (1911) Dominion (1914) Duplex (1907–1909) Enterra (1987) Fisher (1914–1915) Forster (1920–1922) Frontenac (1931–1933) Frontenac (1959–1960) Galt (1911–1912) Galt (1913–1915) Gareau (1910) Gray-Dort (1915–1925) Guy (1911) Harding (1911–1912) Jules 30 (1911–1912) Kennedy (1909–1912) Leroy (1899–1907) Lethbridge (1908–1909) Locus London Six (1922–1924) Manic GT (1969–1971) Marathon (1976–1981) McKay (1911–1914) McLaughlin (1908–1922) McLaughlin Buick (1923–1942) Menard (1908–1910) Meteor (1949–1976) Monarch (1946–1961) Moose Jaw Standard (1916–1918) National Oxford (1913–1915) Palm (1918–1919) Peck (1913) Publix (1947–1948) Queen (1901–1903) Regal (1914–1917) Roberts Six (1921) Royal Six (1921) Russell (1905–1916) Russell-Knight (1910–1915) Sager (1910) Sellew-Royce (1911) Still (1899–1903) Studebaker (1963–1966) Timmis (1968–present) Tudhope (1906–1913) Tudpole Two-in-One Winnipeg (1921) Wright (1929) ZENN (2006–2010) Edited June 15, 2012 by Fletch 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 The benefits, wages and Union enforcement is killing Jobs in Canada. The Unions are decimating manufacturing in Canada.. Really huh... Compare the wages..... And again, its not a US thing.. Its a GLOBAL thing.. Yes, its the unions the article says... .... Shame on the job killing Unions..The Tories are trying everything to keep jobs here.. TAX BrEAKS! I say STOP the tax breaks now and let the unions eat it in pay-cuts. Apparently, to the left, tax cuts don't help.. So let's stop them! We should ALL be in agreement for that, NO? Orrrr would the Unions now favor MORE tax breaks for the Car companies? Interested in the unionists thoughts on that. imagine! Upcoming contract talks... and GM's CEO starts to bargain in the press - go figure. Hey Fletch, what about your linked article's reference to a $3 dollar wage disparity between the CAW and UAW workers? If one actually accepts the press bargaining statements... and your belligerence, apparently, that most expensive claim... must be due to... a $3 dollars an hour wage disparity between Canadian and U.S. auto workers. Man, those are tight margins! hey Fletch, what's this graph telling you? --- Automobile and Light-Duty Motor Vehicle Manufacturing(NAICS 33611) - Manufacturing Costs: 2000-2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I guess Fletch would like us all to live in an RTW paradise where the "individual workers freedom is sacrosanct" and this is upheld by such pro-worker organizations like the NAM (National Association of Manufacturers) and the National Right to Work Committee...And a sprinkling of Koch Bros. "think tank" stuff from the CATO Institute... Hey Fletch...Check out that standard of living in Alabama....And then cross reference education levels and workplace health and safety in your RTW nirvana... Don Blankenship thanks you for your support... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Ahhhh yes, a 2000 till 2009 release.... What year are we in??? Ohhhh yea, you commented on wage... Yes.. 3 dollars plus... And THEN the health benefits and pensions equaling 79 dollars an hour.... Shut the companies down... For the SAKE of manufacturing in canada... This year, not 2000... Reallly? A 2000 release? Your grasping now... imagine! Upcoming contract talks... and GM's CEO starts to bargain in the press - go figure. Hey Fletch, what about your linked article's reference to a $3 dollar wage disparity between the CAW and UAW workers? If one actually accepts the press bargaining statements... and your belligerence, apparently, that most expensive claim... must be due to... a $3 dollars an hour wage disparity between Canadian and U.S. auto workers. Man, those are tight margins! hey Fletch, what's this graph telling you? --- Automobile and Light-Duty Motor Vehicle Manufacturing(NAICS 33611) - Manufacturing Costs: 2000-2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Ahhhh yes, a 2000 till 2009 release.... What year are we in???Ohhhh yea, you commented on wage... Yes.. 3 dollars plus... And THEN the health benefits and pensions equaling 79 dollars an hour.... Shut the companies down... For the SAKE of manufacturing in canada... This year, not 2000... Reallly? A 2000 release? Your grasping now... hey buddy... StatsCan... can you? Feel free to actually put up something... other than your unsubstantiated mouth-off... see if you can do better than the StatsCan data you've just been presented with. Here... have another view of that data... what does it tell you? - don't be afraid to answer this time, hey: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 hey Fletch... whassup... are you still waiting for your talking points - is that why you and your fellow bots are noticeably absent over here: sumthin bout affecting manufacturing costs! Waddya think about that there OECD organization fueling the flames of separatism, hey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Just warning you.... It's gonna come down to a "would you like a job,,,, or would you not". No bargaining... It's gone unless... The article has the facts... I didn't write it. Don't shoot the messenger. I guess Fletch would like us all to live in an RTW paradise where the "individual workers freedom is sacrosanct" and this is upheld by such pro-worker organizations like the NAM (National Association of Manufacturers) and the National Right to Work Committee...And a sprinkling of Koch Bros. "think tank" stuff from the CATO Institute... Hey Fletch...Check out that standard of living in Alabama....And then cross reference education levels and workplace health and safety in your RTW nirvana... Don Blankenship thanks you for your support... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Same thing as earlier! Old data! I could pull up data that points to the earth being ducking flat.... But I don't... I know it's outdated.... Jeezzus hey buddy... StatsCan... can you? Feel free to actually put up something... other than your unsubstantiated mouth-off... see if you can do better than the StatsCan data you've just been presented with. Here... have another view of that data... what does it tell you? - don't be afraid to answer this time, hey: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) Just warning you.... It's gonna come down to a "would you like a job,,,, or would you not". No bargaining... It's gone unless... The article has the facts... I didn't write it. Don't shoot the messenger. Ah... So you are a fan of the free marketeer race to the bottom of the standard of living food chain... And another indirect free marketeer admission..It's not,and never has been,about "individual worker freedom"...It's about legislative union busting to drive down wages and benny plans to be more "competative and productive" with the likes of China!!! Don't worry kiddo,Ron Paul beat you to it a few months ago... How dare anyone ask for a standard of living when there is profit to be made through competition with low stgandard of living jurisdictions!!! As I said,Don Blankenship thanks you vociferously for your support...'Cause business knows best! Edited June 15, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Same thing as earlier! Old data! I could pull up data that points to the earth being ducking flat.... But I don't... I know it's outdated.... Jeezzus is there a reason you're not bringing up your... new data! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) is there a reason you're not bringing up your... new data! Because he's a corporate slurper... Disguising his slurpage as standing up for "freedom".... Edited June 15, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 ....Hey Fletch...Check out that standard of living in Alabama....And then cross reference education levels and workplace health and safety in your RTW nirvana... Gee...if they are so much more educated and healthier in Ontariario, why can't they keep and attract more automotive manufacturing, like Alabama...or Tennessee...or Mississippi? Must be great to be so smart and healthy but without a frickin' job...yes suh! http://blog.al.com/businessnews/2011/10/more_automobile_plants_may_be.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Canadas big problem when it comes to manufacturing is that all our competitors have brought down wages by debauching their currency and rapidly expanding their monetary base. Our dollar is relatively high compared to other nations who have pursued a policy of competitive devaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Hey Fletch, why don't you wait until the senate completes their inquiry into this, both the tories and the liberals senators are looking into this because they want to know too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentalfloss Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 u so crazy, Fletch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Globalization is the problem, not unions. It allows the elite upper class to search for goods and services around the world, but it decimates local first-world economies reducing them to an equal playing field with low tech undeveloped countries like Bangladesh. We "the people" accepted globalization, because we are naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 .....Our dollar is relatively high compared to other nations who have pursued a policy of competitive devaluation. Yes...no one would ever accuse Canada of pursuing a policy of monetary devaluation to gain export advantage. Never. Of all these G8 nations, guess which one does not have a major indigenous Tier 1 automotive manufacturer? Canada France Germany Italy Japan Russia United Kingdom United States Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilter Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 The benefits, wages and Union enforcement is killing Jobs in Canada. The Unions are decimating manufacturing in Canada..GM is re-tooling for the 4 door sedan in Alabama (our car) and is shutting down manufacture in ontario. Is it time the Government takes Wisconsin's position to save these Union jobs? Is it time to back away from Auto subsidies? Let them sink or swim? Should Canada reduce the tax rate for the Auto companies to save them? Similar to "bailing" out the US banks? The Feds bailed them out one time already... Should we inject cash into this money losing venture? Please... Discuss! Ooo yea... The link: http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/news/transportation/blog.html?b=business.financialpost.com/2012/06/12/canada-now-the-most-expensive-place-to-build-a-car-in-the-world-says-gm-chief No--- No more bailouts--- which have been repaid by the way, let the unions make some adjustments to their usurious salaries. They can stay at those levels & all be out of jobs as the Car companies move their plants out of the country or reduce salaries to what they should be for the level of skill used on the line. OH---- it'd also be nice if they used the production lines in Canada to make a car that stayed together & were as reliable as most of the imports. What they do now sort of resembles the Yugo in Quality & lastability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Globalization is the problem, not unions. It allows the elite upper class to search for goods and services around the world, but it decimates local first-world economies reducing them to an equal playing field with low tech undeveloped countries like Bangladesh. We "the people" accepted globalization, because we are naive. Ultimately, the worm will turn and the elite will realize it was they who were the naive one's. Shortly after the first guillotines are being rolled out the assembly line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) let the unions make some adjustments to their usurious salaries. get a clue - overall, union salaries are not a significant factor. Here... have another view of that data... what does it tell you? but... speaking of salaries: Average Annual Salaries - 2000-2009 --- Automobile and Light-Duty Motor Vehicle Manufacturing (note: Administrative Employees includes all employees designated as executive, administrative, clerical/office and sales staff). Hey now, 'Tilter'... what does this graph tell you, hey? Edited June 15, 2012 by waldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I find it simply amazing that the "costs" associated in labour to manufacture a lovingly hand built Ferrari is LESS than a Canadian manufactured/assembled Chrysler Sebring! Were number 1! Were Number 1! Google the MCV Supercar.. the Canadian sexy bodied vehicle that was a "flex fuel" basedof of a Cadillac CTS motor (in 99). Completely non-manufacturable in Canada.. The Labour cost were to high.. The Car was scrapped. There is still one parked in storage in Toronto btw if your into exotic cars.. Canada can simply not manufacture due to our abour costs at an average of 74-79 dollars an hour. The Unios are waving bye-bye to thier won jobs. Its up to the Union memebers to say no to such a dictatorship when it comes to persuing contracts. Free the workers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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