US plans for war with Iran are ready

[Topaz]

A report out today, says the US is ready for a war/invasion, whatever one wants to call it. Just watch the price of gasoline hit the heavens above! I just hope the risk the US and Isreal will be taking does turn into a nuke war or one that leads to one with Russia, China and N. Korea. Canadian doesn't have the Tories F-35 yet and Harepr probably won't stay out of this once they start the process. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/plans-strike-iran-ready-says-us-israel-envoy-064817997.html

[bush_cheney2004]

... I just hope the risk the US and Isreal will be taking does turn into a nuke war or one that leads to one with Russia, China and N. Korea....

Wait a minute...you hope that the risk does turn into a "nuke war" ? If that's the case, then higher gas prices in Canada will be the least of your worries. It would also simplify retirement planning for us Baby Boomers as well.

[DogOnPorch]

Aye...a bit too much arsenic and old U235 in Topaz's Wheaties this morning.

[Signals.Cpl]

A report out today, says the US is ready for a war/invasion, whatever one wants to call it.

To be fair, I am pretty sure that the US military has plans on how to invade and/or fight a war with any country in the world. Just because there is a plan does not mean that it will be used.

Just watch the price of gasoline hit the heavens above! I just hope the risk the US and Isreal will be taking does turn into a nuke war or one that leads to one with Russia, China and N. Korea. Canadian doesn't have the Tories F-35 yet and Harepr probably won't stay out of this once they start the process.

What does the F-35 have with a war with Iran? And what does Russia and China have to do with Iran? The only threat that N. Korea poses is to S. Korea.

China will not risk hundreds of billions of dollars worth of trade with the US for Iran, Russia has no reason to involve itself at least not one that is worth a war with the US.

[Guest American Woman]

I would hope plans to do what we may need to do militarily are always "available and ready as an option."

[Guest Derek L]

They sure do, the USN already has the UNREP Breakaway songs picked and Persian Excursion badges made and ready to distribute…………

[Signals.Cpl]

They sure do, the USN already has the UNREP Breakaway songs picked and Persian Excursion badges made and ready to distribute…………

I sure hope they never get used.

[Guest Derek L]

I sure hope they never get used.

Why? You think the Iranians are going to play nice all of a sudden………I’d sure hope Iran never get’s the bomb….

Until then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb6nR_kdk9w

[Signals.Cpl]

Why? You think the Iranians are going to play nice all of a sudden………I’d sure hope Iran never get’s the bomb….

Until then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb6nR_kdk9w

Well no, but I hope it doesn't come to that. If it does it is comforting to know that the Americans have a plan and hopefully they picked up a thing or two from both Iraq and Afghanistan to make it quick.

[Guest Derek L]

Well no, but I hope it doesn't come to that. If it does it is comforting to know that the Americans have a plan and hopefully they picked up a thing or two from both Iraq and Afghanistan to make it quick.

And from a few hours ago:

NDAA Authorizes War Against Iran

And here:

H.R.4310

And here:

H. RES. 568

Fasten your seatbelts……And fill up.

[Signals.Cpl]

And from a few hours ago:

NDAA Authorizes War Against Iran

And here:

H.R.4310

And here:

H. RES. 568

Fasten your seatbelts……And fill up.

Might be naive but I seriously hope Iran gets the message.

[Guest American Woman]

Might be naive but I seriously hope Iran gets the message.

I'm with you. I'm actually expecting that Iran will get the message.

[Moonlight Graham]

I'm with you. I'm actually expecting that Iran will get the message.

I'm with him too, I hope they get the message. Iraq should prove to them that the US doesn't bluff on these kinds of matters. I think they'll get the message, but they may be willing to ignore it and keep going with the nuclear program, who knows. It's probably up to Iran now to either stand down or prepare for war.

I didn't read the articles of congress Derek L posted, but this could be just a preparation for the US in case something happens (like Israel starts a war, or Iran ups the stakes), not necessary a foregone conclusion the US attacks if Iran continues its program. Ahh who am I kidding...

[Signals.Cpl]

I'm with him too, I hope they get the message. Iraq should prove to them that the US doesn't bluff on these kinds of matters. I think they'll get the message, but they may be willing to ignore it and keep going with the nuclear program, who knows. It's probably up to Iran now to either stand down or prepare for war.

I didn't read the articles of congress Derek L posted, but this could be just a preparation for the US in case something happens (like Israel starts a war, or Iran ups the stakes), not necessary a foregone conclusion the US attacks if Iran continues its program. Ahh who am I kidding...

Iraq could be the wrong message to them though, they could see it as the US playing tough but also as the US unwilling to go to war again.

What I don't get is what do the Iranians hope to accomplish? The US will not let them have nukes and even if the US let them have nukes Israel will never let them... Either way they will never be a nuclear power not for long anyway.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Signals.Cpl

[August1991]

The US sadly, under Obama, won't do this directly.

But Israel will:

In a move that surprised everyone, Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu dissolved his government and called for early elections last week.

Then came the double whammy: on Tuesday, Netanyahu cancelled elections and announced a new coalition government with the opposition Kadima party.

Link

This coalition is a way to send a message.

Edited May 18, 2012 by August1991

[Signals.Cpl]

The US sadly, under Obama, won't do this directly.

But Israel will:Link

This coalition is a way to send a message.

I don't see Obama as the peace at all cost type of guy.

[August1991]

I don't see Obama as the peace at all cost type of guy.

Huh? He may not be Jimmy Carter. Obama's more the Rodney King - "Why can't we all get along?" - teaching moment type of guy.

As leftists go, I wish he were a Pierre Trudeau or a Jean Chrétien. Sometimes, the defense of the civilized State requires strong measures.

Otherwise, the "democratic" mob decides. And the mob, la foule, is not democracy.

Edited May 18, 2012 by August1991

[Signals.Cpl]

Huh? He may not be Jimmy Carter. Obama's more the Rodney King - "Why can't we all get along?" - teaching moment type of guy.

As leftists go, I wish he were a Pierre Trudeau or a Jean Chrétien. Sometimes, the defense of the civilized State requires strong measures.

Otherwise, the "democratic" mob decides. And the mob, la foule, is not democracy.

Jean Chrétien? Really?

[August1991]

Jean Chrétien? Really?

You've never heard of the Chrétien choke?

Link

Edited May 18, 2012 by August1991

[Signals.Cpl]

You've never heard of the Chrétien choke?

Link

And here I thought he only choked the military nearly to death as a whole, except for the unlucky few who he actually killed.

[Guest Derek L]

Huh? He may not be Jimmy Carter. Obama's more the Rodney King - "Why can't we all get along?" - teaching moment type of guy.

As leftists go, I wish he were a Pierre Trudeau or a Jean Chrétien. Sometimes, the defense of the civilized State requires strong measures.

Otherwise, the "democratic" mob decides. And the mob, la foule, is not democracy.

I disagree, as a follow-up to your post:

Iran attack decision nears, Israeli elite locks down

Last week Netanyahu pulled off a spectacular political surprise, creating a coalition of national unity and delaying elections which everyone believed were inevitable. The maneuver also led to speculation that the Israeli leader wanted a broad, strong government to lead a military campaign.

The inclusion of the Iranian-born former Israeli chief of staff and veteran soldier, Gen. Shaul Mofaz, in the coalition, fuelled that speculation - even though both Mofaz and Netanyahu deny that Iran was mentioned in the coalition negotiations.

"I think they have made a decision to attack," said one senior Israeli figure with close ties to the leadership. "It is going to happen. The window of opportunity is before the U.S. presidential election in November. This way they will bounce the Americans into supporting them."

Politically, If Israel attacks, Iran sinks a couple of oil tankers in the Gulf, the Americans (with the West in tow) will hit back (see Operation Praying Mantas) and President Obama would silence his critics on being a “weak foreign policy President”……..I mean, who really thinks Gov. Romney and the GOP would oppose such a move and campaign against it? They’ve been calling for the like……….To add, if the Americans are involved in a conflict with Iran during the fall, will the American people really change horses in mid stream?

[Guest American Woman]

I don't see Obama as the peace at all cost type of guy.

Nor do I. Initially, yes, I did see him that way; but I feel as if he's proven otherwise.

Edited May 18, 2012 by American Woman

[Guest American Woman]

I'm with him too, I hope they get the message. Iraq should prove to them that the US doesn't bluff on these kinds of matters. I think they'll get the message, but they may be willing to ignore it and keep going with the nuclear program, who knows. It's probably up to Iran now to either stand down or prepare for war.

Ultimately, I believe Iran knows what the result of war would be. I think Iran feels the need to show some prowess too, however; to 'fluff their own feathers.' I'm sure Iran is testing the waters, too, to see what kind of response it does get from the U.S./western world.

I didn't read the articles of congress Derek L posted, but this could be just a preparation for the US in case something happens (like Israel starts a war, or Iran ups the stakes), not necessary a foregone conclusion the US attacks if Iran continues its program. Ahh who am I kidding...

I don't think it's a forgone conclusion - at least I believe it would be a last resort, and even at that, I don't see an initial all out "shock and awe" attack. I'm sure such a war is something both sides would rather avoid.

Edited May 18, 2012 by American Woman

[bud]

not to disrupt the warmongering circle jerk, but an attack by israel is not going to stop the nuclear program. in fact, it will speed up the process from thoughts of a nuclear weapons program to actually pursuing it. this is not my opinion, but the opinion of experts both in israel and the u.s.

israel couldn't even get rid of hezbollah, a militant group, with their assault on lebanon. hezbollah is still in southern lebanon and they've upgraded their weapons. you expect an attack on iran by israel is going to help the situation?

the israeli experts, (this doesn't include natanyahu), say that an attack on iran by israel would be a mistake:

ex-moassad chief, dagan:

said Iran has “dozens” of fortified covert nuclear sites and successfully hitting all the targets would be nearly impossible, he said.

“The regime in Iran is a very rational regime,” Dagan claimed.

ex shinbet chief, diskin:

Diskin said it was possible that "one of the results of an Israel attack on Iran could be a dramatic acceleration of the Iran program. ... They will have legitimacy to do it more quickly and in a shorter timeframe."

these two are known to be hawks and they're against an attack on iran.

an attack on iran is not in the interest of anyone. not u.s.' interest, not israel's interest and not in iran's interest.

an attack will not only start and accelerate the nuclear weapons program but it could unleash hezbollah to attack israel and for iraqi shiat militias (like the powerful mehdi army) to scrap their deals with the u.s. and attack u.s. bases from within iraq.

an attack on iran is a stupid idea all around.

Edited May 18, 2012 by bud

[bleeding heart]

an attack on iran not only would start and accelerate the nuclear weapons program but it could unleash hezbollah to attack israel and for iraqi shiiat militias (like the powerful mehdi army) to scrap their deals with the u.s. and attack u.s. bases from within iraq.

There's also the matter of, oh, you know, the possibility of lots of dead Iranians....hopefully it's not some kind of blasphemy to suggest that this, too, might be a bad thing.

an attack on iran is a stupid idea all around.

You're being too generous.