DogOnPorch Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 (edited) While it may not be anti-Semitic to be anti-Israeli, it is definately anti-Semitic to be pro-Hamas/ PLO. Edited April 2, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 (edited) While it may not be anti-Semitic to be anti-Israeli, it is definately anti-Semitic to be pro-Hamas/ PLO. Even if that's so, and I'm inclined to agree with you (Hamas is particularly ugly), that's not to what I'm referring. I'm thinking of men like Abe Foxman and Alan Dershowitz, who use the term so casually that they later forget (or pretend to forget) that they said it all. Or that smarmy "relationship expert" (always beware anyone with such a stupid title!) Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, who, after listening to a couple who escaped from a strict and ridiculously Orthodox community, said "I have never heard such blatant anti-semitism in all my life!" Good lord, these two folks remained religious Jews! But because they criticized the Orthodox community, they were self-haters, and anti-semites. (The fact that most Jews aren't Orthodox, and tend liberal/leftist, apparently escapes him...he must see an entire Jewish diaspora of self-hating anti-semites.) What a maroon! as ol' Bugs used to say. The fact is, Israel is a much more open society than is our own when it comes to debating issues, especially about the conflict with the Palestinians. Sometimes lefty Israelis come to North America to speak, and are stunned at the mouthbreathers (most of whom aren't even Jewish) screeching that they're anti-semites and self-hating Jews. These things don't happen so much in Israel, I'm told, as they do in North America. But then, we're highly politically correct, as is frequently pointed out, so it's no surprise that such sensitive subjects will take on an aura of really aggressively hostile political correctness. Edited April 2, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Jack Weber Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Even if that's so, and I'm inclined to agree with you (Hamas is particularly ugly), that's not to what I'm referring. I'm thinking of men like Abe Foxman and Alan Dershowitz, who use the term so casually that they later forget (or pretend to forget) that they said it all. Or that smarmy "relationship expert" (always beware anyone with such a stupid title!) Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, who, after listening to a couple who escaped from a strict and ridiculously Orthodox community, said "I have never heard such blatant anti-semitism in all my life!" Good lord, these two folks remained religious Jews! But because they criticized the Orthodox community, they were self-haters, and anti-semites. (The fact that most Jews aren't Orthodox, and tend liberal/leftist, apparently escapes him...he must see an entire Jewish diaspora of self-hating anti-semites.) What a maroon! as ol' Bugs used to say. The fact is, Israel is a much more open society than is our own when it comes to debating issues, especially about the conflict with the Palestinians. Sometimes lefty Israelis come to North America to speak, and are stunned at the mouthbreathers (most of whom aren't even Jewish) screeching that they're anti-semites and self-hating Jews. These things don't happen so much in Israel, I'm told, as they do in North America. But then, we're highly politically correct, as is frequently pointed out, so it's no surprise that such sensitive subjects will take on an aura of really aggressively hostile political correctness. Throwing out the term "anti-semite" is simply a way for someone who's so entrenched in a certain idea (in this case,Zionism) to effectively dismiss anyone who might have different point of view,and not necessarily get all palsy walsy with Islamofascist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah... Having said that,how would a potential "peace" process between the elected governemtn of Israel and any of the Islamofascist organizations (and/or others) mentioned above go? It seems to me it would basically have Israel discussing with these peace loving folks the way in which they would each decide Israel's destruction...Unless,of course,these organizations are prepared to ensure that they aren't hellbent on the destruction of the Jewish state (not bloody likely!)... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
DogOnPorch Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Throwing out the term "anti-semite" is simply a way for someone who's so entrenched in a certain idea (in this case,Zionism) to effectively dismiss anyone who might have different point of view,and not necessarily get all palsy walsy with Islamofascist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah... Having said that,how would a potential "peace" process between the elected governemtn of Israel and any of the Islamofascist organizations (and/or others) mentioned above go? It seems to me it would basically have Israel discussing with these peace loving folks the way in which they would each decide Israel's destruction...Unless,of course,these organizations are prepared to ensure that they aren't hellbent on the destruction of the Jewish state (not bloody likely!)... As most are aware, it wasn't the 6 Day War that started the conflict in the region...nor even the 1948 War. Bad sh*t started happening right after WW1 when it came time to pay the piper in terms of who got what for the several hundred thousand Allied casualties sacrificed liberating the place from the Turks. While the House of Saud and pals were doing the Lawrence of Arabia bit in the south, the Mufti was busy fighting Allied efforts as an Ottoman artillery officer...when not shelling Armenian civilians, that is. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Peeves Posted April 4, 2012 Report Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) Throwing out the term "anti-semite" is simply a way for someone who's so entrenched in a certain idea (in this case,Zionism) to effectively dismiss anyone who might have different point of view,and not necessarily get all palsy walsy with Islamofascist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah... Having said that,how would a potential "peace" process between the elected governemtn of Israel and any of the Islamofascist organizations (and/or others) mentioned above go? It seems to me it would basically have Israel discussing with these peace loving folks the way in which they would each decide Israel's destruction...Unless,of course,these organizations are prepared to ensure that they aren't hellbent on the destruction of the Jewish state (not bloody likely!)... Not to ignore the infighting between the factions. Hamas murdered many of the Fatah members in Gaza. If they kill one another, differ in many policies (with the exception of their agenda for the destruction of the state of Israel),how will there ever be a successful peace initiative. Particularly when there are even more splinter groups that ignore Hamas or Fatah's leaders. Edited April 4, 2012 by Peeves Quote
Guest Peeves Posted April 4, 2012 Report Posted April 4, 2012 Are you implying that cybercoma is an anti-semite? Because that's a serious charge, and should be backed up with evidence. Just because moral cowards use the term so promiscuously doesn't mean it's automatically a legitimate talking point. Blow it out your ear and stop your personality issues. I never said nor did I imply that anyone in this thread was an anti-Semite. I personally criticize certain Israeli positions. I have even written the Knesset. Now, if you want to discuss charges, you are in your accusation posing the question of me calling someone an anti-Semite. That's insulting and a lie. So then where is your evidence. I suggest most cordially that you back off your daily duty of fault finding and ad hominem. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 4, 2012 Report Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) Not to ignore the infighting between the factions. Hamas murdered many of the Fatah members in Gaza. If they kill one another, differ in many policies (with the exception of their agenda for the destruction of the state of Israel),how will there ever be a successful peace initiative. Particularly when there are even more splinter groups that ignore Hamas or Fatah's leaders. There won't be a peace process with any of the people you mentioned... I can't imagine a scenario where Israel could have cogent conversation with anyone representing any of those groups on how to find the "happy middle" where some sort of "peace" could be found.As I said,any "negotiations" with the likes of Hamas,Hezbollah,or,Islamic Jihad would simply amount to Israel coming to an agreement on it's own destruction... Not exactly a likely scenario... Edited April 4, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
dre Posted April 4, 2012 Report Posted April 4, 2012 Though I'll admit I waiver I don't see anyone as being a hero for pulling a hijab off a woman. All the same it is a legitimate expression of disgust with people who refuse to meld into Western society. I have a similar disgust for Chasidic Jews. No tearing at someones clothing is not a legitimate expression of disgust its an act of criminal assault. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bleeding heart Posted April 8, 2012 Report Posted April 8, 2012 Blow it out your ear and stop your personality issues. I never said nor did I imply that anyone in this thread was an anti-Semite. I personally criticize certain Israeli positions. I have even written the Knesset. Now, if you want to discuss charges, you are in your accusation posing the question of me calling someone an anti-Semite. That's insulting and a lie. So then where is your evidence. I suggest most cordially that you back off your daily duty of fault finding and ad hominem. Dear Peeves: Thanks so much for your letter and for your cordial suggestion! As I'm sure you can appreciate, bleeding heart is much too busy to answer every letter he receives. But he wants you to know that he reads each and every letter, and that he appreciates his fans more than anything. It's all about the fans! Remember, the new record drops May 31. You can check out the new video ("I Love to be in Love With My Love") on MTV next week, featuring Jay Z and Taylor Swift (the first-ever collaboration between these three great artists!). Heads up: the Eastern leg of the tour begins in early August. In the meantime, check out the new and updated site, and follow bleeding heart on Twitter. Find out the identity of the mystery lady we saw him with in Cancun! (I think you'll be pleasantly surpised!) Oh, and please visit the site Store, where you can buy t-shirts, ringtones, and so much more. Don't forget, members get a discount! As bleeding heart would say, "Keep on keepin' on!" Best wishes, Dieter Simone VP Public Relations Bleeding Heart Productions Inc. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
jbg Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 There won't be a peace process with any of the people you mentioned... That really means there is no peace process and cannot be. One cannot have a discussion with the few "doves" in the Arab community and expect it to be anything other than a nice coffee break. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Peeves Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) That really means there is no peace process and cannot be. One cannot have a discussion with the few "doves" in the Arab community and expect it to be anything other than a nice coffee break. Exactly. So long as Arabs preach hate of Jews in their school class rooms, so long as Arab maps do not show Israel, so long as rockets are fired into a legitimate state of Israel and the world sees only the surgical response, so long as Arabs in the region have militant murderous factions that have the elimination of Israel...Jews ...in their publicly published mandate, so long as states like Syria and Iran are allowed to fund terrorists, so long as the UN is biased and has blinders on determined to point only at Israel, so long as documents like the Protocols and blood libels are preached from mosques... We say as Haggadah adendum, perhaps,, Never again! Am Yisrael Chai Meaning of Am Yisrael Chai There is no doubt that we Jews will outlive the Islamic republic of Iran Published: 09.01.09, 07:06 / Israel Jewish Scene Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was in Germany last week. While there, he visited Wannsee Villa in Berlin the place that the "Final Solution" for the destruction of Europe's Jews was planned in 1942 by Adolf Hitler and leaders of the Third Reich. In the visitors book Netanyahu wrote three words in Hebrew and then translated them into English: “Ams Yisrael Chai – The people of Israel live.” http://www.amyisroelchai.org/yeshmap.html Edited April 9, 2012 by Peeves Quote
cybercoma Posted April 11, 2012 Report Posted April 11, 2012 That really means there is no peace process and cannot be. One cannot have a discussion with the few "doves" in the Arab community and expect it to be anything other than a nice coffee break. So I'm not clear on who you hate this week: Arabs or Persians? Quote
-TSS- Posted August 25, 2012 Report Posted August 25, 2012 Bad manners? Most definetely! Hate crime? Get out of here! Quote
Sleipnir Posted October 24, 2012 Report Posted October 24, 2012 Hate crime or not - it would still be a crime for a stranger to touch another stranger inappropriately . Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Guest Posted October 25, 2012 Report Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) It should be a crime for a stranger to touch another inappropriately. It could be assault. But there should be no such thing as a hate crime. It is wrong that the woman in the thread title should somehow get a different type of justice from another woman who is assaulted, or a man for that matter. Edited October 25, 2012 by bcsapper Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 25, 2012 Report Posted October 25, 2012 She didn't yell any identifiable group obscenities. She did however commit an assault, that's undeniable. If she tugged on a hoodie would that be a hate crime? Of course not. That's my own vote but really their isn't enough evidence in that article alone to say yea or nay. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
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