the jewish vote in iran's elections

[kactus]

Nope...we pretty much bomb them anyway, so why not just cut to the chase? CF-18's bombing Libya is very civilised!

Doesn't come remotely close to how much US has spent on other wars. If you recall the french and brits were also involved in the Nato bombing of Libya.

[bush_cheney2004]

Doesn't come remotely close to how much US has spent on other wars. If you recall the french and brits were also involved in the Nato bombing of Libya.

Oh, well why didn't you say so? We all know that nothing covers your ass like NATO accomplices!

[kactus]

Oh, well why didn't you say so? We all know that nothing covers your ass like NATO accomplices!

And what's exactly relevance of this to the jewish vote in Iran's elections?

[bush_cheney2004]

And what's exactly relevance of this to the jewish vote in Iran's elections?

Perhaps the "jewish vote" in Iran will be more significant after the bombing stops.

[kactus]

Perhaps the "jewish vote" in Iran will be more significant after the bombing stops.

There's nothing special about iranian jews. They are not Übermensch and should be treated the same as any other minorities.

[August1991]

What I'm trying to say is rather simple: There are so few Jews in Iran, what they do and why is utterly meaningless.

And my point was twofold: first: however few the minority's number, the ultimate measure of a society is how the majority treats the minority.

Second, minorities are leaving countries in the Middle East. True, there are "immigrants" to the Gulf oil states but they keep their citizenship status and freedom to return home.

Tehran, Alexandria, Cairo, Djeddah, Damascus - even Beirut - were once multicultural cities. Now, they are "wholly" Muslim.

To me, Alexandria is the saddest example. I fear for Montreal because it is now, other than Jerusalem, one of the few truly bilingual cities in the world.

----

Sometimes, I wonder whether English Canadians (and French Quebecers) understand how remarkable Canada and Montreal are - in a world context.

In Montreal, unilingual people of different languages live and work together. This is not Bombay or Africa. This is Canada.

Edited March 6, 2012 by August1991

[TheNewTeddy]

unilingual people of different languages live and work together

You say this like it is a good thing that should be aimed for.

[bud]

And my point was twofold: first: however few the minority's number, the ultimate measure of a society is how the majority treats the minority.

here is some information about iran's ethnicities from cia world factbook:

Ethnic groups:

Persian 61%, Azeri 16%, Kurd 10%, Lur 6%, Baloch 2%, Arab 2%, Turkmen and Turkic tribes 2%, other 1% (2008 est.)

and

Languages:

Persian (official) 53%, Azeri Turkic and Turkic dialects 18%, Kurdish 10%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 7%, Luri 6%, Balochi 2%, Arabic 2%, other 2% (2008 est.)

here is information on canada:

Ethnic groups:

British Isles origin 28%, French origin 23%, other European 15%, Amerindian 2%, other, mostly Asian, African, Arab 6%, mixed background 26%

and

Languages:

English (official) 58.8%, French (official) 21.6%, other 19.6% (2006 Census)

[August1991]

You say this like it is a good thing that should be aimed for.

NewTeddy, don't put words in my posts.

But there is something admirable in a city where people of different languages/religions/culture live together in a civil manner. When many of the people are unilingual, or at most ils baragouinent une autre langue and yet they still live together generation after generation, maintaining their language, religion and culture - this is true civilization.

here is some information about iran's ethnicities....

Iran has many linguistic and religious minorities. The Farsi Shiites are an oppressive majority. In general, others want to make money and arrange for their children to leave Iran. Westerners call this dhimmitude. Edited March 9, 2012 by August1991

[Guest Peeves]

[quote name='bush_cheney2004'

I seem to recall a Canadian MP making similar statements about hating Americans and stomping on a Dubya doll (Carolyn Parrish). Now do you understand why I like to blowback examples from your own country?

Let's rather keep in mind Gander on 9 1 1 and the Canadian and 'his' embassy in Iran hostage scenario.

[Guest Peeves]

There's nothing special about iranian jews. They are not Übermensch and should be treated the same as any other minorities.

God! I hope not.

and this isn't even current.

Since 1978, a total of 221 Iranian Baha’is have been executed, “disappeared” or otherwise killed for their beliefs. Thousands more have been wrongfully imprisoned, fired from government posts, barred from pursuing higher education, or had personal property confiscated or destroyed. Read the full report: “The Baha’i Question”

In fact, almost all of the most basic human rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights have been, and continue to be, denied to the Baha’is in Iran.

In 1993, a secret government memorandum that was uncovered and published by the U.N. Human Rights Commission offered proof of a new strategy on the part of Iranian authorities to eliminate the Baha’is in Iran. Written by the Iranian Supreme Revolutionary Cultural Council in 1991 and signed by Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, this document provides a blueprint and specific guidelines for dealing with the Baha’is so that “their progress and development are blocked.” Additional documents have also been uncovered and made public since that time.

Today, Baha’is are deeply concerned not only for their own well-being, but for all who are suffering from the widespread violations of human rights engulfing Iran. Like their compatriots and a growing number of international supporters, Baha’is long for the day when Iran will abide by the international human rights treaties to which it is a signatory

http://iran.bahai.us/overview/

[bud]

Iran has many linguistic and religious minorities. The Farsi Shiites are an oppressive majority. In general, others want to make money and arrange for their children to leave Iran. Westerners call this dhimmitude.

how did you come to the conclusion that the farsi shiites are an oppressive majority?

[kactus]

how did you come to the conclusion that the farsi shiites are an oppressive majority?

God! I hope not.

and this isn't even current.

http://iran.bahai.us/overview/

I think you missed my point on the part of this thread where I have maintained that the rights of all ethnic groups in Iran must be preserved...

However, that shouldn't validate that there is something special about Iranian jews and they should get special coverage as the title of this thread! If on the other hand the aim is part of Iran bashing I don't think this will reflect positively on Iranian people who are constantly demonized either directly or indirectly...

If you have been following my line of thinking you will also see that I have defended the treatment of all iraniani/ americans' in the US.

Read the links that I have posted earlier if you like and you can see ample evidence of discrimination against IranSian/ americans in US airports, workplaces, etc.

Whilst it may not be comparable in this case with Iran it speaks volume about!!!

It's the nutbars like these that make me think nazi ideologie is still ripe albeit in a different shape/ form:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-484762/I-hate-Iranians-US-aide-tells-MPs.html

It is comments like these and alike that has and still fueling hatred against all Iranians. If it was the other way round for jews everyone would be screaming anti semitism...

And quite rightly so as anti semitism is often diluted with anyone who critisizes the policies of the israeli government.

Edited March 10, 2012 by kactus

[DogOnPorch]

It is comments like these and alike that has and still fueling hatred against all Iranians.

I'll take the side of that girl wasted in the street. You can support her bearded murderers. Sound fair?

[GostHacked]

I'll take the side of that girl wasted in the street. You can support her bearded murderers. Sound fair?

Awww pull at those heartstrings some more, so we can go to war. What was her position anyways?

[DogOnPorch]

What was her position anyways?

Like myself, disliked beards.

[DogOnPorch]

Awww pull at those heartstrings some more, so we can go to war.

Nowhere did I say anything about war. YOU did. But, I do find it telling that you'd view Neda's murder at the hands of the Iranian mullahs as pulling heartstrings.

Edited March 10, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[GostHacked]

Nowhere did I say anything about war. YOU did. But, I do find it telling that you'd view Neda's murder at the hands of the Iranian mullahs as pulling heartstrings.

Again, just trying your game out. Kind of fun.

[DogOnPorch]

Again, just trying your game out. Kind of fun.

OK...well, hug a Mullah for me, then.

[kactus]

Awww pull at those heartstrings some more, so we can go to war. What was her position anyways?

I have already answered this three years ago on this very forum when the green movemnet started with massive demonstrations across Iran. See the BBC link below. It's a 20 mins interview with thea doctor who tried to save the life of Neda:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=14413&st=15&p=435866entry435866

The irony is Neda's video being used more often now than back then when it happened...

Edited March 11, 2012 by kactus

[DogOnPorch]

Edited March 11, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[dre]

Nowhere did I say anything about war. YOU did. But, I do find it telling that you'd view Neda's murder at the hands of the Iranian mullahs as pulling heartstrings.

I think hes referring to your shameless attempt to make a political point by posting that video a half dozen different times.

[DogOnPorch]

I think hes referring to your shameless attempt to make a political point by posting that video a half dozen different times.

Gee, and here I thought you had forgotten Neda.

Keep spouting support for Iran's government and that's what you get.

[dre]

Gee, and here I thought you had forgotten Neda.

Keep spouting support for Iran's government and that's what you get.

I dont really see very many people supporting Irans government. Just because some people can see through obvious propoganda doesnt mean they support the Iranian regime. It is what it is... an authoritarian theocracy based on one of the three fake abrahamic sects. Theres nothing great about that at all, nothing special either.

[Guest Peeves]

I dont really see very many people supporting Irans government. Just because some people can see through obvious propoganda doesnt mean they support the Iranian regime. It is what it is... an authoritarian theocracy based on one of the three fake abrahamic sects. Theres nothing great about that at all, nothing special either.

I would like to see a thread started on the pros- positives of the Iranian government, or for that matter pros/positives of the other Arab or other Islamic countries of the middle East.

You know, those countries where the citizens had to riot for freedom and their leaders mercilessly murdered and continue to murder them.

I won't 'cause it would obviously be considered Islamophobic........

I can think of one positive though, most have oil.

thinking.....thinking..........thin....